SCEA granted an TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER!

[bigd5783]

Lol Nintendo and Microsoft wont follow anyone. They have both tried and failed at legally stoping piracy. Microsoft took Team Xecuter to court and lost. Nintendo tried to stop R4 cards in spain and lost. Apple lost in US. Believe it or not they may be rich and powerful but does not mean they will win every court case. It is up to a judge to decide not Sony. So dont make it some big drama thing.

I think PSJailbreak will be deamed illegal. However PSGroove / PSFreedom won't as it does not allow piracy.

Someone's glass is half empty... Basically I see this as a temporary setback. The Modding Scene won't up and disappear. As stated above, Those that allow piracy (i.e. PSJailbreak) will have the hammer dropped, but Groove and Freedom, most likely will not, as they're open source.

My two cents, your mileage may vary.

We may very well know the difference between the PSGoove/PSFreedom and the piracy enabling PSJailbreak. All in all they are too similar for a regular person IE this judge to tell the difference. As far as they are concerned they both do exactly the same thing. If Sony wins this trial like they did in Australia they will all be filed under illegal. Yeah they wont be able to stop people from ordering dev boards and compiling the code for them selves or use "The Usual Places" to obtain precompiled code but if this is allowed to be passed then you wont have access to "The Usual Places" or any other sites that the government wants to protect us from. Frankly I'm sick and tired of the government "protecting" people from the things that they deem are dangerous, illegal, or may just hurt my freakin eyes.

[spade_]

Is it even possible for them to go after AVR boards? Talk about persistent assholes. They could have spent that money for you know, improving their crappy online infrastructure.

[whitedove]

we should just ignore them stop posting there scare tactics you know what happend with the ps2, psp, ipod, iphone and other, they were declared legal

Copyright Office concluded that, “while a copyright owner might try to restrict the programs that can be run on a particular operating system, copyright law is not the vehicle for imposition of such restrictions.”

so all they are trying to do is scare everyone away and hope the scene dies like the psp

so as long as we use free dev tools not sdk or other sony property,
so people get coding and make our own set of ps3 dev tools then it will be a big fu*k u to sony

[Akaahn]

Is it even possible for them to go after AVR boards? Talk about persistent assholes. They could have spent that money for you know, improving their crappy online infrastructure.

not only AVR boards, but calculators, iPods, iPhones and other phones

I know people have said this before, but sony are spending more money on stopping this than they would lose doing nothing about it...
(ok, maybe not completely true, but you get my point)

[Jammol]

We may very well know the difference between the PSGoove/PSFreedom and the piracy enabling PSJailbreak. All in all they are too similar for a regular person IE this judge to tell the difference. As far as they are concerned they both do exactly the same thing. If Sony wins this trial like they did in Australia they will all be filed under illegal. Yeah they wont be able to stop people from ordering dev boards and compiling the code for them selves or use "The Usual Places" to obtain precompiled code but if this is allowed to be passed then you wont have access to "The Usual Places" or any other sites that the government wants to protect us from. Frankly I'm sick and tired of the government "protecting" people from the things that they deem are dangerous, illegal, or may just hurt my freakin eyes.

OMG That net neutrality shit is the devil. If that shit passes I'm selling everything computerized cause there would be no freakin' point in owning it. Especially if Sony wins this shit and jailbreaking is illegal for the PS3.

As for the idiots that keep going on about how much SONY is a dick or whatever. We are technically raping their kid(PS3). What would you do if you had something precious that you busted your ass so hard to work on and then someone/about 100,000+ thieves came and stole that shit? If you can imagine what that feels like then you should understand what SONY is going through. They are assholes on other points, but honestly not this situation. They are simply trying to protect their investments and probably hiding something else along the way.

not only AVR boards, but calculators, iPods, iPhones and other phones

I know people have said this before, but sony are spending more money on stopping this than they would lose doing nothing about it...
(ok, maybe not completely true, but you get my point)

No they are not spending more money on this compared to if they were to leave it alone. Court fees are one time fees, and knowing them, they might even get a discount. They make their profit on the PS3 with probably the SDK and game distributions. Take a rough guess of how many people will have a jailbroken PS3 if Sony does nothing about this, the fact that their will probably be CFW at some point, which would help to boost the amount of people that will own a PS3. See where I'm going? Factoring how much ever people that aren't paying full price for video games, they are just downloading.....Nuff said.

[mеdi01]

No they are not spending more money on this compared to if they were to leave it alone. Court fees are one time fees, and knowing them, they might even get a discount. They make their profit on the PS3 with probably the SDK and game distributions. Take a rough guess of how many people will have a jailbroken PS3 if Sony does nothing about this, the fact that their will probably be CFW at some point, which would help to boost the amount of people that will own a PS3. See where I'm going? Factoring how much ever people that aren't paying full price for video games, they are just downloading.....Nuff said.

Huh? More people (read: those who'd never touched PS3) are going to buy PS3 (and probably accessories) and this is somehow bad for Sony?

Microsoft sales: about 40 million xbox360s
Sony's sales: about 40 million PS3s

Microsoft games sales: about 100 million xbox360 games
Sony's sales: about 100 million PS3 games

Microsoft was cracked for ages. So where are the "lost sales" please?

[Jammol]

Huh? More people (read: those who'd never touched PS3) are going to buy PS3 (and probably accessories) and this is somehow bad for Sony?

Microsoft sales: about 40 million xbox360s
Sony's sales: about 40 million PS3s

Microsoft games sales: about 100 million xbox360 games
Sony's sales: about 100 million PS3 games

Microsoft was cracked for ages. So where are the "lost sales" please?

You are forgetting that Sony DOES NOT make a profit from selling PS3s. They actually lose money. They slimmed down the amount that they lose when they made the new Slim models but they are still losing money with each they make and sell. Unless they start using cheap parts, which is not in Sony's nature. The PS3 is supposed to pay off because of the cost of the SDK and the fact that the console was 'unhackable' so they had a secured revenue in game distributions.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10448137-17.html <--Yeah I know, it's Cnet, but sometimes their shit is legit.

It is probably better explained below.

it's more convenient for sony if there is no distinction.

that's because
- ps3 sdk is very expensive
- ps3 dev hardware is very expensive
- ps3 security meant that piracy was a non-issue. so developing for ps3 really paid off for game studios.
- BD discs are more expensive to make compared to dvds.

i bet this is one of major sources of income for sony - just licensing of the devkits and sdk. second is the money they get off games distribution and selling.

now most developers might think back and consider ps3 games not so profitable anymore. ps3 hardware is barely manufactured at a profit, and the advantage of being more secure than other consoles doesn't matter anymore.

i think that is normal sony reaction. it was the same with ps2 - they tried to stop production of the discs, and finally removed hdd support out of ps2. things like that only tend to create backlashes from users.

the different part now is that people don't hesitate to use leaked SDK. i don't think it was like this in early days of ps2. that certainly is a bad thing.

[squarepusher2]

You are forgetting that Sony DOES NOT make a profit from selling PS3s. They actually lose money. They slimmed down the amount that they lose when they made the new Slim models but they are still losing money with each they make and sell. Unless they start using cheap parts, which is not in Sony's nature. The PS3 is supposed to pay off because of the cost of the SDK and the fact that the console was 'unhackable' so they had a secured revenue in game distributions.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10448137-17.html <--Yeah I know, it's Cnet, but sometimes their shit is legit.

It is probably better explained below.

If they aren't recouping their money after four years since launch, they were never going to do it - case closed. No need to feel sorry for them - PS1 and PS2 at this point in their lifetimes were leaving all their competition in the shade in terms of sales figures - they have nobody to blame for this but themselves, and their current actions are aggravating the situation. I really have to wonder why you even try to feel sympathetic for this company when they have shown to have nothing but scorn for their users. I doubt they even legitimately care about PS3 as a platform.

To begin with why PS3 never made back all that money and is currently still in lockstep with the 360 -

* PS3 ports of 360 games were always inferior. That hurt their credibility massively from the very start.
* Then the inflated price (for a long time, it was as expensive as a 3DO).
* Then came all the different SKUs - big mistake number two.
* Then came all the differences between SKUs - big mistake number three.
* No real exclusives in the first year to write home about (or the second year for that matter - MGS4 did not arrive until 2008, Uncharted was not yet the massive killer app it was back in 2007)

The shame is that this is a really nice piece of hardware - it just strikes me that either marketing or the sales department PURPOSELY tried to screw up after the massive successes that were PS1 and PS2 - ads and marketing was so piss-poor in the first year that it was hard to believe this was the same company that got David Lynch to do the PS2 ad.

And the more features they remove, the more people will be legitimately pissed off at them. In fact, it's reaching the point where I would actually applaud it if they get hurt real bad by piracy because it serves them well. No PAYING customer has to make excuses for the bad stuff Sony has pulled - pulling OtherOS, pulling USB joystick support - they make Microsoft, Oracle and Google seem nice by comparison.

They want the judges to throw the OtherOS lawsuits out of court? Moneyhats anyone?

[mеdi01]

You are forgetting that Sony DOES NOT make a profit from selling PS3s. They actually lose money. They slimmed down the amount that they lose when they made the new Slim models but they are still losing money with each they make and sell. Unless they start using cheap parts, which is not in Sony's nature.

They used to lose money (and a lot of it) on each console as well as Microsoft did (they didn't lose as much, but they've lost).
Now we got stripped down slim version, with a noisier cooler, no PS2 hardware support and only 2 USB ports. Even on/off switch is gone. Besides, manufacturing process has improved, it was already mentioned that they don't lose money on consoles anymore. And they do indeed make quite a bit on accessories.

The PS3 is supposed to pay off because of the cost of the SDK and the fact that the console was 'unhackable' so they had a secured revenue in game distributions.

Where does this "because of the cost of the SDK" argument come from? How much does it cost and how many companies buy it, for the sum to be comparable to selling 100 million games per year?

It is probably better explained below.

- ps3 sdk is very expensive
- ps3 dev hardware is very expensive
- ps3 security meant that piracy was a non-issue. so developing for ps3 really paid off for game studios.
- BD discs are more expensive to make compared to dvds.

-what is "very expensive SDK" please and how many of those is Sony selling?
-hardware part was answered above
-games sales show that piracy "problem" is a myth, as broken xbox360 sells as many games per console as not broken PS3
-BD costs aren't higher than a couple of $, if not dozens of cents

[squarepusher2]

Where does this "because of the cost of the SDK" argument come from? How much does it cost and how many companies buy it, for the sum to be comparable to selling 100 million games per year?

Cost of the SDK in terms of R&D and development costs - LOL. They are using stock GNU toolchains/linkers/compilers - they didn't even bother writing their own. All the function calls and libraries are their own code, yes.