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this is cool.
So, the Sony people or FBI isn't going to arrest them or prevent this meeting at all?
Is this legal in Germany or something?
Finding security flaws in hardware does not break any laws. It's some of the software that's written to take advantage of the exploits that causes the problems.
My bets are the team finds a way to boot the OtherOS partition without it being a visibly available option in the XMB and without the need for additional hardware. For those of us that originally had it before it was removed, it's still there, you just can't officially access it.
Originally Posted by defxor
I see your point and can understand the logistics behind it. But I can also see the other side of the fence. Yes the challenge and pay off is very rewarding. But the challenge is rising 10 fold each cycle. Soon enough there won't be a balance between challenge, reward, and pay off. It will just be next to impossible to break a system. When will that be? Don't know. It could be 10 years, it could be tomorrow, or it could very well never happen.....
And when you pose that question two things will happen. A) someone will get pissed off and knock your running lights out . Or B) Laugh you right out of the conference . Not all hackers are interested in piracy and if somehow you relate to that then you need to learn some basics about hacking. I'm not gonna say I know the finer and more expert levels of hacking. But even at the base level hacking has way more benefits then just giving you that free game, or piece of software... lol
Originally Posted by Passerotto
Originally Posted by magneto x7
Hacking =/= legality These hacking conferences are just like any other get together. They are completely legal. ( I did do the meme correct right?) lol
Also these conferences are not new. They've been around for a long time. All over the world. So if they were illegal I doubt they would be held at a public venue where people can BUY tickets. They would be underground affairs where people meet in secret.
The people presenting the exploits are often not the ones who found it. If you knew how many exploits have been discovered and not released you would cry.
Most "hackers" don't care about recognition, or money or free games or any of that. "Hacking" is merely a complicated puzzle to be solved. The few that used to care about some type of gain learned quickly that bragging and sharing with those who don't share the same mindset is how you get screwed.
When your motivation is money and fame you rarely succeed. "Necessity is the mother of invention" and a true hacker has a need to figure out how things work.
Sharing something neat with your peers is different from bragging or fame. In fact it often gives them inspiration to take that idea even further. That is why most of the "elite hackers" all of you like to name drop avoid coming to forums or chat rooms.
Look up DefCon. Happens in Vegas every year. This year they had a guy who hacked ATM machines to spit out money. They have an ongoing game called "Spot the Fed", and every year have a panel discussion by people from the Air Force, CIA, FBI, RCMP, DoD, NASA, NSA and many more.
Originally Posted by magneto x7
Not only are these things legal, these large government orgs. go to these conventions to recruit.
well if thats true then ,holy ****balls 70 euro to attend this event ive paid less for front row concert tix
Originally Posted by safin
@xpertorianx ,yeah i agree that they are giving away too much insight to sony but do you really think that sony needs to send undercover incogneto operatives to this thig ,its open to the public,WTF,are they going to send them in wearing thoes novelty glasses with the fake nose attached
@spade yes your absolutly right it is them pandering to sony for a job,like a job interview
but lets not forget about what happened when team twiizers discovered the wii exploits,what did they do?,they called nintendo str8 away and tried to warn them about it
and what did nintendo do ,"oh yes thats nice boys ,now **** off"they were totally ignored by the big n
also i agree with whoever posted about this exploit maybe requiring god forbid ,some soldering ,this doesnt mean that it is a software exploit,it could be something like a jtag
Originally Posted by xPreatorianx
That's why it's so fun! I'm more saddened by the fact that so few of those who are interested take the time to learn how things work. The PS Jailbreak uses a type of exploit that's decades old, but executed beautifully. I can't be the only retired cracker that had tears in my eyes when I looked at how it was done.
(Geohotz original entry into the system was much more hard core)
The discussions here would make much more sense if they were based more in fact and less in speculation. Simply pointing out that the likelyhood that there will ever be a USB-based 3.42+ exploit compatible with the current JB-devices is next to nothing usually gets people flamed, even though it's a factually based observation. With that said, it would be nice to see M/B/S prove me wrong with a service mode based exploit installing a modified 3.55-image with the old USB-code intact
@bigd5783 yea i went to school for electronics but i wouldnt attempt a jtag just cause i learned how to solder,doesnt mean i dont still hate doing it,plus back when i learned surface mount components werent in wide use like now ,if there are small solder points, or points that are so close their almost on top of each other,i dont attempt it,well i might but not when ruing over a 100 piece of equipment is at stake,not worth damaging components with heat,and dont get me started on tip tinning
yea the challenge might keep increasing but untill we have quantum computers with photon crypto there will always be a workarround