A new Mod Chip Player in town - Crystal Chip

[Try-it]

NeoAsic.com recived the V12 console : SCPH-70012 (NTSC/UC)
They will test each chip on this console, first one > Crystal Chip
More details about SCPH-70012 as follow :

-MB : GH-035-21
-Bios : B1110A D1010U
-DVD Control IC : CXR716080
-Laser Lens : PVR-802W

Image of SCPH-70012 >> www.neoasic.com/jpg/70012-logo.jpg

[cyt0plas]

Its so odd following the PS2 scene now, hearing about Homebrew chips coming out..but it brings me to a question. Isn't it still illegal? Its circumventing protection in order to boot homebrew/unsigned code. I'm not a lawyer nor do I pretend to be one, just curious as it STILL sounds like the chips themselves could be subject to lawsuits. I hope thats not the case and this scene can finally get where the XBox scene has been for quite a while, but I'm sure I'm not the only one with questions or doubts about this.

They would have a hard time showing damage in court, for a chip that could not, under any circumstances, play any official sony content.

[oldspirit2]

damn i knew we had crossed paths i would have thought side had an idea on the legality of the new mod's i just realised something that make's me .

another damn market ploy hkmod/side is a reseller of the crystal no wonder he is trying to argue legality's to confuse other reseller's on what to stock just like dmsteam it's cheap nasty and a slimy tactic
EnTiTy

You was much nicer with me in the past... sad... looks like guichi now...

Anyway, back to the "legal" point, and thanx, you pointed out that i'm distributing Crystal, showing that i'm nothing else than no biased while talking about product i'm selling.
Crystal is far away much better than DMS4, o2, and others "5th gen" and i would recommend it to anyone,
i have not tested the legality of that device yet, even if i had samples here, so as you see, I'm not in a hurry, to blah blah around about it. I'm reading you and putting my 50ct when i read something wrong.. isn't that we should do ? and argue about ? and about that legality matter, I'm just telling you what lawyer said.

So you can waste time like previous guichi and others, to point out any kind of practices, tactics, or what ever else could pop up from a paranoid mind, i don't care about it, and will not enter that game.

I'm telling you that, cause you're simply all WRONG about legality, you're talking about case that happened sometimes even before EUCD was applied in their countries, about SCEX, i'm not sure about what you said, but i'm sure that one chip who is patching scex, bios and/or CD/DVD on ps2 will be hardest to argue in court that one who is working only onto the scex line. (in case of PS2 of course)

PS: I remember the day i sent you a PS2 modded with F14 cause the first sample was bad and burned out your ps2, you was really anxious, and i made fast and professional answer to you, at that time, we were friends .. Since that time, we never talked once again oftenly, but in the past, when it happened, it was friendly. Today, with no reason, things are differents, may i ask ... What mistake, error, bad, mad, anything, i have done against you ? or against some one you know ?
I asked the same to guichi, but never get an answer .. strange...

[oldspirit2]

Hello side, been a while...

Datel of course did not intend for their software to be used, at least not publically. I guess the same goes for these modchip makers. Simillar issues have already been discussed in courts as antitrust/monopoly lawsuits.

Hi ! ... Not so long that you may think
Well, you are right on your arguments and before EUCD/DMCA i would be the first to agree on that some, but EUCD is much more accurate in his definition than the past experience any of us could have with laws and court cases about modchip.
There is one definition, circumvention device, and there is circumvent checks, the law is all about attack of the check by a circumvention device.
That's why, my opinion is to follow lawyer who said, any device that is patching any data of the BIOS and/or CD/DVD is illegal cause the checks are there !. i'll stop to argue about that now, time will show who is right, cause people will still say i'm speeching for my church. In fact, i'm trying to told you how to recognize a legal device and so you won't sell device as legal when it's not, and therefor not taking the risk of beeing busted by sony for piracy cause you're patching their bios ! (not you directly but resellers, installers, etc..)
On a second hand, i would said, Datel have absolutely no risk, as we know Datel and Sony UK are very close, and helicopter is arranging meeting time to time...

As for the scene, all of these mod groups have really screwed the scene believe it or not including some of the ones you have worked for.Im very weary of all this modchip BS, lets hope these crystal guys dont go the same route.

I think some of those you have worked for also no ?
It's same deal all the time ... and yes, PS2 is boring and modchip BS also, it's always better when product is brand new, so can't wait for ps3 and xbox2, ... when you release the first device on the market, like the early neo4, messiah1 on PS2 or xtender, enigmah on xbox, there is not so much people to bash at you .. it just shows who is really bringing stuff to the scene...But the so called "scene" have a global amnesy to remember who was there in the early days, and who build the history...
Nowaday it's swindle, vilain, and money breather playground.

[<G>]

Hi ! ... Not so long that you may think
Well, you are right on your arguments and before EUCD/DMCA i would be the first to agree on that some, but EUCD is much more accurate in his definition than the past experience any of us could have with laws and court cases about modchip.
There is one definition, circumvention device, and there is circumvent checks, the law is all about attack of the check by a circumvention device.
That's why, my opinion is to follow lawyer who said, any device that is patching any data of the BIOS and/or CD/DVD is illegal cause the checks are there !. i'll stop to argue about that now, time will show who is right, cause people will still say i'm speeching for my church. In fact, i'm trying to told you how to recognize a legal device and so you won't sell device as legal when it's not, and therefor not taking the risk of beeing busted by sony for piracy cause you're patching their bios ! (not you directly but resellers, installers, etc..)
On a second hand, i would said, Datel have absolutely no risk, as we know Datel and Sony UK are very close, and helicopter is arranging meeting time to time...

I know you have been keeping busy, Dont think i do not keep track of guys like you. People in the scene have big mouths, even those that work closely with people like you. It doesnt really matter, i dont really care about the modchip agenda anymore, you are right, its all about swindling ect even if its swindling from end users.

I think some of those you have worked for also no ?
It's same deal all the time ... and yes, PS2 is boring and modchip BS also, it's always better when product is brand new, so can't wait for ps3 and xbox2, ... when you release the first device on the market, like the early neo4, messiah1 on PS2 or xtender, enigmah on xbox, there is not so much people to bash at you .. it just shows who is really bringing stuff to the scene...But the so called "scene" have a global amnesy to remember who was there in the early days, and who build the history...
Nowaday it's swindle, vilain, and money breather playground.

Contrary to the crap that goes around IRC, I dont work for anybody. There is a big difference between giving your support for a chip that clearly was the best modchip of its time and working for them. The original team were great guys, now what do you see from them? Where are all of the new features? Their firmwares are all just bugfixes after bugfixes. They havnt brought anything new to the table besides certain disc that was soon shut down by sony. Trust me, if i was you would would have had a new found competition in me.

I just dont give a damn about mod groups anymore. All they want is code from a few and money from the rest.

[EnTiTy]

You was much nicer with me in the past... sad... looks like guichi now...

Anyway, back to the "legal" point, and thanx, you pointed out that i'm distributing Crystal, showing that i'm nothing else than no biased while talking about product i'm selling.
Crystal is far away much better than DMS4, o2, and others "5th gen" and i would recommend it to anyone,
i have not tested the legality of that device yet, even if i had samples here, so as you see, I'm not in a hurry, to blah blah around about it. I'm reading you and putting my 50ct when i read something wrong.. isn't that we should do ? and argue about ? and about that legality matter, I'm just telling you what lawyer said.

So you can waste time like previous guichi and others, to point out any kind of practices, tactics, or what ever else could pop up from a paranoid mind, i don't care about it, and will not enter that game.

I'm telling you that, cause you're simply all WRONG about legality, you're talking about case that happened sometimes even before EUCD was applied in their countries, about SCEX, i'm not sure about what you said, but i'm sure that one chip who is patching scex, bios and/or CD/DVD on ps2 will be hardest to argue in court that one who is working only onto the scex line. (in case of PS2 of course)

PS: I remember the day i sent you a PS2 modded with F14 cause the first sample was bad and burned out your ps2, you was really anxious, and i made fast and professional answer to you, at that time, we were friends .. Since that time, we never talked once again oftenly, but in the past, when it happened, it was friendly. Today, with no reason, things are differents, may i ask ... What mistake, error, bad, mad, anything, i have done against you ? or against some one you know ?
I asked the same to guichi, but never get an answer .. strange...

sorry if ive come across wrong with my attitude, this is quite strong with me because of the uk ruling as you can imagine im an installer i was never in it for the money and fixed many console's free of charge and installed many modchip's free the reason i enjoyed doing it it was my hobby a hobby i enjoyed to do that again legally would be great love the smell of flux lol

and yes you did do me a great favour in reguard to my newly purchased v7 at the time i think it was and when the f14 sample did damage and im really grateful.

a pm when i asked if we had bumped head's before would have been simple and we could have discussed this in pm.

i noticed you were mentioning crystal in the dms thread and then went on to notice the link on the main page and jumped to conclusion's.

sorry if ive come off nasty i hold no grudge's with anyone or grievance including guichi the old scene fart life's too short.

it's a way forward that's for sure in reguards to a legal standpoint it would certainly be a lot harder in court to fight device's like this.

i prolly see thing's in the same light as guichi in a way greed and politics imho everything should be free produced in the scene the odd sellout's i agree with because they deserve the money if everything was free in life it would be too boring.

guichi should write that book sometime because it sure would scare some people and put a few behind bars the mod scene is just dirty
EnTiTy

[modrobert]

Just a reminder for all the "non US" members at ps2-scene about the extreme legal differences depending on country. This is not related to ps2 specifically, but it can give you an idea how great the gap between countries can be legal wise.

http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/

Check the responses to Dreamworks and EA.

[HypERSoniC]

i import most of my games, since there is no R18+ /X / restricted rating for video games in my country. so, games must not contain so much voilence / sex / drugs, etc to be legal. this is why i import. games like vice city have been modified to not conflict with australian standards (in vice city, you cannot pick up hookers, some scenes are deleted). so i pick them up overseas to aviod these edited versions.

your quite right about varying laws, mod robert. in australia, a chip is not a "circumvention device" unless it has wires attached. in the same way, these homebrew chips can't be "circumvention devices" or devices which can conflict with others intellectual property and copyrights, since, they can't do it in the pre-shipped configuration. well atleast in my country... the US and UK laws i believe say, if it circumvents the protection in any way, even if it's booting homebrew code, it's illegal. perhaps even these "legal" chips are illegal in some coutries

my 2 cents