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nope, he was referring to you
Originally Posted by subcon959
seriously though, yeah, he's an amateur programmer, so he might see himself as a n00b. I also see myself as a n00b (I saw my first ppc assembly code last month when I started on PL3, so...)
But yeah, there are different level of n00bism He's probably not as n00b as you (but he's probably n00ber in some other areas though).
@xanon: You got a new text to translate It's small this time, and sorry about your fingers.. do you have blisters? :$
and btw, thanks a lot for your translating work, it's really appreciated.
edit when I say "it's small this time", I mean 'relatively'...
If you think google code is more open-source friendly than github, then you are sooooo mistaken... google code is like android, it uses the linux kernel, but it's closed everywhere else, github is like Maemo, it's open source everywhere, apart from the UI..
Originally Posted by Kenshindono
Go read my reply to Hermes, you will probably understand a bit better about what git is (it's used as the main RCS by the linux kernel (and was written by Linus Torvalds and for the linux kernel), so you can't really say it's not open source friendly.. )
Comparing to google code... what a joke!
@KAKAROT where is this text which needs translating, so ima get busy , pretty bored here, gona go in 30 mins at another town to check up on some engineer who needs some Graitec Advance steel development goin on, but ill take care of it
hey Kakarot looks like someone has beat me to it already, but anyways glad i could have helped you, it makes me laugh to see, that NO ONE was willing to translate anyones part, and since i did it now we got many translators, glad it made some "collaboration" going on, btw some dudes over at EOL are giving me spanish lessons now HAHAHA and spanish is my native tongue ...sighs...
Personally I thought the graphic summed it all up nicely
Originally Posted by Mr.GoodFrag
Where there's smoke, there's fire...
Originally Posted by Dangwoot
ah ok, then I guess I misunderstood you..
Originally Posted by Kenshindono
google code might be more known, but it's dependent on SVN, and not on git.. and svn, although a good revision controls system, is far from being as useful and powerful as git, so we wouldn't have access to the same flexibility than with SVN (google code).
Also, github is for hosting git repository, google code is more for hosting projects (you get a wiki (which I think github has too, but I'm not sure)) and a bug tracker (which github does have too).. but the simplicity of use (more like, 'people are used to it) isn't really an advantage when compared to the rest..
Well Hermes I am glad you have made a response. I am more happy that you are still working on this and have created Hermes V4b
I tried the KaKaRoTo PL3 but have found it crashed my game a few times and froze the PS3.
Don't worry about others Hermes and just keep up the good work. It is much appreciated by many.
OK, I don't think either one of these two distinguished contributors actually meant to bash. Kakaroto simply said that he did not consider the quality of the code to be very good. It wasn't a personal attack. Let's see, Hermes is a construction worker, Kakaroto is a professional coder. If Kakaroto says the code is sloppy, it probably is to some degree. He's not saying that Hermes hasn't made significant contributions to the scene. He's merely taking issue with the implementation of some things, that can, as he sees it, be done better and safer. Perhaps he wasn't "tactful" or whatever, but, really, is everyone's skin made of glass or something? You can take criticism constructively as a challenge to improve, or you can curl up in the fetal position and cry about it. Fortunately both Hermes and Kakaroto choose the former, as should we all.
Hermes, you've done some great things for the scene, and I think I speak for most when I say we are all grateful for all you have done. I hope if you read what I'm about to say, you won't take it the wrong way, and that you'll actually think about my arguments, instead of reacting to them defensively out of reflex. I have to call it the way I see it though. And I need you to see your argument from the perspective of us 3.15 users.
You talk about including everyone, regardless of their differences of philosophy. You go on and on about putting out a firmware anyone can contribute to. Then you turn right around and treat those of us using 3.15 with cold indifference, basically saying "you can't have it all, move on already, you're just gonna hold the rest of us back" -- yeah, that's being inclusive alright (the way Democrats define it ). Oh, so, we can do it our own way, if it's done just how you say? I can't have it all? Just watch me. I waited a month just to get a functional jailbreak for my PS3, I can wait for someone to figure out how to convert if you don't want to help.
And you have the nerve to suggest Kakaroto's github is restrictive? When you suggest that we should sacrifice our Linux just because "3.41 users are the majority?" Looks to me like you're the one being restrictive. No one has the right to demand sacrifice from anyone else (not even the president, and fortunately, he'll be in no position to make demands in a couple of weeks). If there's one thing the Third Reich, slavery, etc. should have taught us well, it's the evils of altruism and sacrificing people to sound-good false higher authorities such as the "greater good" of society (I call altruism the Wishmaster philosophy -- because everyone who prospers by it does so at the tragic expense of others, just like everyone who has a wish granted in the Wishmaster movies ends up regretting it). If you sincerely want to include everyone, as you say, then help us out, instead of ridiculing us. We don't bite either, and we're more than willing to help you test code if you'll just give us a chance.
I'm going to laugh hysterically if it's one of us "people holding things back" on 3.15 that comes up with firmware spoofing first. And that's a real possibility considering the law of supply and demand. At this time, there's more games we can't play. Our demand is higher, so we've probably got more people working on it than the 3.41 people do, and with more intensity. Fortunately for you people on 3.41, if that does happen, the person who finds it is probably not going to say to you "tough, you chose to update and give up your Linux, you made your bed, lie in it."
I found the criticism of the decision to move to syscall_35 from syscall_36 laughable. This is just arguing for the sake of. People might not be able to code for it? Either you can code or you can't (and I'll readily admit, I'm one of those who can't). If you can code, you can implement syscall_35, and all of the good BMs have done so without fail. If you can't code, just wait for the person you ripped off to do it for you, then re-rip them off We've all seen how crazy Sony is though. Arguably if Kakaroto didn't do this, he might be exposing himself to legal attacks. Untying the messy knot binding backup support to the payload was a necessary precautionary measure. And in doing so, he has indeed eliminated any constraints that his payload might have otherwise imposed on those who do not share his view towards so-called "piracy" -- people like me. This makes it a non-issue. He's practically bent over backwards to make sure those who disagree with him can still have it their way. Now that's what I call being inclusive. It's very doubtful we'll ever need 36 again, but, you know, he's a coder, he can put it back if we do. As for the peek/poke thing, you can compile it with or without, according to your needs. I have an SE and a batch file to automate the conversion process so I always compile and store all 8 on my calc (and if no one else has done so, I upload it).
Now, unlike some people here, my intent is not to fan the flames, but to open your eyes to the point of view of those of us who are using 3.15 and show you how, in our eyes, you're being just as non-inclusive as you said Kakaroto's git was. I don't want anyone out, I want everyone in. What we need is not more arguing and flaming and people cut-and-pasting one person or the other's comments just to prove their own trivial points. The purpose of this is to point out that brushing off 3.15 users like that is detrimental to scene progress (again, just like it would be detrimental if we 3.15 users discovered a firmware spoofing method, and we said, "you can't have it all" or "that's your problem, find a way to downgrade" instead of trying to help you port it to 3.41).
It's apparent most people here seem biased towards one or the other. This is natural, but please be considerate and don't trash the other one. What works the best for you is not necessarily what works the best for me (actually, until we can convince Hermes we're valid PS3 owners, there is only one that works for me). Let's stay professional, not get political.
P.S. English is also all but extinct in southern Florida And any job that produces values for society is respectable (that pretty much includes everything except "career politician" and "tort lawyer" ). I would never suggest anyone's profession disqualified them from pursuing their hobby or made them less intelligent, that's just ridiculous. I don't have a degree in anything (building computers, modding consoles, and collecting backup units are just things I've been doing for well over a decade). Though I am finally working towards one in electronics, and some computer/networking certifications, because I've finally reached a point, after several dead-end jobs, where I realize the only way to move forward is to bite the bullet and go after that expensive shiny paper that proves I know what I know (besides, it looks like Obama's going to have to extend unemployment benefits until I graduate at this rate, at least I'm not just sitting around doing nothing while collecting it).