fail0verflow! - 27C3 PS3 Epic Fail - Now With Live Demo!

[Ruddicz]

Hmmm... it seems this is the original XBOX all over again - except no soldering is required to enable the writing of the firmware

However, how will this effect the future of the PS3? Will piracy kill the system now???

with the ease of this, it could be... Signing programs I don't think has ever been possible in the past with any hacks tho. They figured out how to do that and also how to remove signature checks on boot/load direct into an app.

Amazing.

[Pawsed]

after watching this video i notice one thing that makes me hard to believe.

this guys say that they only tried to hack PS3 or the PS3 only got hacked after OtherOS being cut off.

I guess this its not fully truth. If you want Linux machine you build a PC and its cheaper than one PS3 and faster to work than a PS3 with OtherOS.

So this argument is fully of crap. If this guys are academics and like challengs and break security at low level OS I believe that and of course the other motive to hack is the piracy.

I will not hack my IPOD to disable the music player and install a calculator app on it. If I want a calculator i buy or use a calculater that could be cheaper than the IPOD. This is the example of PS3 with linux and PC with linux.

They argue that we should count only since OtherOS was removed so 12months. But PS3 was being attempt hacked since day 1 so its 4 years and not 12 months.

Geoht hack was done when OtherOS exist yet. Sony choosed to remove otherOS and I don't see problem on that since was not working with full CPU and memory so crap linux machine. And some guys where already trying to hack via Linux and this could make open door to piracy.

The main reason today we could say PS3 is full hackable its because of psjailbrak exploit that open the doors to lvl2 and show to the world how the machine works.

And the main reason that this exploit was out was to make money and piracy not because of a bunch guys wants linux.

Linux its a very bad excusse to tell and to try to be nice.

There is only two reasons, homebrew/hack enjoy and piracy.

Mhmm...and this is why the U.S. Air Force has a cluster of over 1700 PS3's used as a super computer. Because they want to homebrew/hack and pirate.

Wait, no, it's because their cluster runs linux and is far cheaper than the alternative for supercomputing. The system is still a beast, and you cannot build a PC of comparable computing power (maybe gaming, but doubtful for 299.99, not at those resolutions, frame rates and polycounts/effects). Most might think it's a gaming optimized system used for linux, when in fact it's super computing optimized and used for gaming. The CELL was a 1 billion dollar effort to design between IBM, Toshiba, and Sony, and is meant to be used for high end and or high bandwidth processing applications.

PS3 consoles become military supercomputer | News.com.au
And don't say 'that is Sony marketing it to the Air Force as a promotion', because Sony was actually upset when they did that, as those systems were bought back when the PS3 was sold at a loss still, and so Sony lost money on every one and will not recover it on any games or accessories, as the Air Force is unlike to buy any. The Air Force was upset when Sony removed OtherOS, because that made it harder to find replacement PS3's when one fails, since they'd have to find older models. There is no love lost on either side of that.

Unlocking the full potential of the system (OtherOS cannot utilize the RSX, which could be even further used in super computing and other scenarios) would mean even more power for less energy/money to projects that could use it. So they do have an actual, valid point to getting Linux running and capable of fully utilizing the system.

[Digital-Spooker]

Originally Posted by Rustmonkey
However, how will this effect the future of the PS3? Will piracy kill the system now???

Piracy won't kill the system, did piracy kill the PSX? PS2? Xbox? no, is it killing the DS, the Wii, the 360 or the iPhone? no. Infact you can argue in a way it helps sales (people like me who will download a game, try it, enjoy it, delete the pirated copy and actually purchase it; I hate paying $70+ for something that may be crap)

The best example of the whole 'piracy is killing' statement is the movies, they claim they lose millions if not billions every year due to piracy, yet they're pulling in record profit in box office sales, far out weighing the cost to produce movies, it's ridiculous to claim piracy will kill anything.

OT: never have I been happier to read that Sony has f***ed up so royally, hopefully this means eventually we can enjoy our homebrew and still go out and buy the latest and greatest games (I'm praying we can before MvC3 comes out )

[Importcrew]

All I gotta say is that it's simply awesome. Congrats to all Devs involved and for the devs who helped pave the way. My hat is off to you all.

[demologik]

Its amazing that people are talking about PS3 being this super media center but no one have brought up Cinavia which is going to be a pain in the ass if someone don't figure out a work around.

umm cinavia is not present in earlier fw's.. so create a custom fw that uses older movie player that doesn't use cinavia..?

[SwordOfWar]

First, Linux is a valid reason for hacking the PS3 and nobody can prove if that is their true motive or not, you can only speculate.

AsbestOS has an advantage over the built-in OtherOS feature by Sony, because AsbestOS will most likely have more control over the PS3 hardware and have better performance than the limited OtherOS feature.

So really, AsbestOS could perform much better than Sony's OtherOS ever did, because AsbestOS won't cut you off from the RSX (Graphic Chip) and try to keep you in a sandbox for security reasons, which has the side-effect of reduced performance.

Next, for those of you who don't understand yet, being able to sign our own files with Sony's encryption will allow us to create our own software/homebrew and load it without even needing to jailbreak the PS3, because it will look like a legit piece of software from Sony.

Imagine being able to run all the Homebrew apps you run now, but being able to run them on an official v3.55+ firmware without even needing to hack the system. They just need to be updated with Sony's keys so that the PS3 will accept them without needing to be hacked.

Basically we will have the ability to create our own custom updates that will work on a normal PS3 to update it directly from an official/normal firmware to a custom one without needing any modchips or dongles to do it, because the PS3 will accept the update that is signed using sony's keys (which we now have).

Give it a few minutes for that to sink into your brain. You could probably program the PS3 to make you some toast bread using this new exploit.

So just sit back, enjoy the ride, and wait for the exploit work to be released and used to make magic stuff for us all to use.

[FreakAlchemist]

OT: never have I been happier to read that Sony has f***ed up so royally, hopefully this means eventually we can enjoy our homebrew and still go out and buy the latest and greatest games (I'm praying we can before MvC3 comes out)

I know same here.I paid for that bad baby IN FULL when it was able to be preordered.I've waited 10 years for this game so i hope i won't have to give my emulators for it but i will if i have to.

[SwordOfWar]

I know same here.I paid for that bad baby IN FULL when it was able to be preordered.I've waited 10 years for this game so i hope i won't have to give my emulators for it but i will if i have to.

Your going to regret giving them up. But, from the sound of this new exploit, even a 3.55 firmware PS3 is vulnerable, meaning you still have the option to hack it again even after you update it and play the game.

However, I think it's best to just wait and see where this exploit goes before we all go happy updating.

[jenco420]

Precisely. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught that bullshit. Let's be forthright.

That's why marcan / team twiizers ban all piracy related material from the homebrew channel then eh?

[Vegeta]

Ok, I've had a long day today after my main OS HDD died on me

Can someone be kind enough to sum up what has happened and what will become as a result of this new revelation?