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@nativesith - deep breath man
@tthousand - good thing being a smart ass isn't included in the ban wave. We'd all be in trouble
Oh my god people. Read the first ammendment! It limits the government. "Congress shall make no law..."
I have. We're not talking about congress. We're talking about a rule for proper decorum on a site for members. Any time you have a membership to anything, there are rules that need to be followed. Again, nobody's trying to tell you what you can and can't say. All they're saying is to put a little thought into it first and treat others with respect
Originally Posted by indirect76
i hope this will get rid of the meaningless insults, i dont agree with insulting anyones work
@indirect76, this is not a government. This is a place to come for news and help. Rules are set in place to maintain a quality environment in which development will not be hindered. If one cannot follow the SIMPLE rules, one can simply express their FREE SPEECH in their OWN forum. Think of us as a democracy, for the people by the people... not like government in which the people have no say.
I haven't read the whole thread, I just skimmed it and I think there have been a lot of good points made. For example, Jay-Jay's post (Article: PSX-Scene's Official Rules Update Announcement!).
Personally, I've never made anything that moves the scene forward. I've mostly just helped people test stuff and made themes for any app I could find that would allow it. Such as multiMAN, Rogero, emulators, etc. etc etc. Around 250 total not including other systems. Do these themes help people play 3.56 games? No. Do they help create a 4.0x CFW? No. Do they help progress the scene in any way, shape or form? No!
I make them because I enjoy making them and learning new things in programs such as photoshop, after effects, etc. is something I find enjoyable.
I share them in the hopes that someone else might enjoy them as well and based on the majority of feedback I've received, there are people that do. If they didn't then I'd still be making them, I just wouldn't be sharing them.
Do I think everyone likes them? No, of course not. I'd have to be delusional to think that. But there is the occasional person that openly flames/trolls me because they apparently think my themes "suck" or that it's "the worst theme ever". I've never really understood that. What possesses someone to take time out of their day to openly attack another person for using their spare time to create something? That just doesn't make sense to me.
Say you think an app is useless. Would the world be a better place if the developer had used the time he or she spent creating it watching tv instead? Doubtful.
I'm not trying to imply that I consider myself a developer but my point still applies. The people who contribute to the scene do so because they want to and in ways that they choose. This isn't their job. They're not being employed to cater to your every whim.
By attacking people that are trying to share their creations, the only thing you're doing is discouraging them from sharing anything they create in the future. Just because you think their latest app is "useless" doesn't mean it's useless to everyone or that the developer won't make something in the future you do find useful. When multiMAN first came out there were some people that said "oh great, another backup manager" and called it a "useless app" and now look at it. It's probably the most used PS3 homebrew ever made, with features we didn't even dream a backup manager would ever have back when we were all using Open Manager. Imagine if Dean had got discouraged by all the haters who said that and left the PS3 scene. Not only would that mean we wouldn't have multiMAN but since Dean joined the scene he has worked with a lot of other developers who's apps have benefited from his knowledge. Even today he was thanked by Team Rebug for a tip he gave them in their newest release.
So the next time anyone feels like trash talking a developer, think about that. Think about what could happen by discouraging their work.
Originally Posted by CS67700
I'm assuming that you are referring to the U.S. Bill of Rights when you start talking about free speech, but then you mention "liberty of expression"? I don't know where that comes from. What I would really like is for you to give me your address so I can come and take advantage of my "liberty of expression" (where were you educated?) and spray paint on your house "ignorant(that means uninformed, by the looks of your post I figured I would have to tell you that) person resides here!" If you can write whatever you want on someones property, ie: this site, than I should be able to write whatever I want on your, but most likely mom and dads, property/ house. Because I have that "free speech and liberty of expression" as you so eloquently put it, you should have no problem with it.
To be honest, I've seen a lot of comments on threads that, if I were the person releasing the app for everyone, would just stop developing altogether. It's been said in most of the above posts about the freedom of speech and etc etc...I'm not even going there right now, but comments like "what is this doing on the front page?" and "this is f'n stupid, useless and is something I would never use" is not considerate to the people who spent their hard time developing the stuff. I personally just work in the modding scene of things and some of the mods that are put out by the GTA and MK9 guys may not have any intrest in what you play, but some find it really facinating so we keep doing it.
I appreciate everything that anyone puts out. If it's not useful to me, it might be to someone else and you guys don't see me flaming the people who released it if I can't use it, or are too ignorant to understand it. In short, it might just hurt their feelings, not that anyone flaming would care about that, and stop them from maybe being the one that uncovers the next exploit. I'll get off my soap box before I get flamed for saying that
@cboushell - maybe you should read the article again
@opium2k and @brakk3n thank you for sharing those well thought out and insightful replies. and opium2k i personally love the themes so don't let the haters get to you. IMO you guys hit the nail on the head and I just wanted to say that.
and everyone else who voiced opinions I've got to also say thanks and that this is exactly what we as a scene need (again only my opinion) but this kind of discussion will eventually lead to more development and sharing.