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You know, it's easy to look straight at it and say 'well it's only $10.00'. The thing your feeble mind has left out, or chose not to acknowledge is the by product of this action. What is the next action in these chain of events? What will they do to us next? It's a not a difficult concept to understand, yes it may only be $10.00, but the fact is none of it goes to the true developers of the game. The guys/girls who put in months, years, and decades of time and work. They get nothing, they get a salary. Do you know what that is? It's a fixed pay based on yearly income. They don't see any of this money, they cry themselves to sleep because of stuff like this.
Originally Posted by USCfan6451
That big rich CEO, that drives 9-10 different sports cars, owns three summer homes and has a 7 figure bank account? Yeah, the guy every single middle-classed person despises, well you're paying him 'only $10.00.' So think before you speak, it's a crying shame people like you and people that accept this at face value exist. You're wasting my oxygen, jump off a cliff. Thank you.
Just a way to make people buy new game instead of used one, fair enough. But I guess $ony is stupid enough take a lead for this. Cause this can be done by individual game company anyway, as long as it wants a better sales record & revenue. Another $illy mistake by $ony, and the "free" online gaming advantage is now over compare to xbox.
Hey square. I agree with what you're saying here. I usually agree with you on most issues. Brutally honest is how I would describe your language, but anyone at odds with you is very unlikely to be receptive to that. Human beings naturally have strong egos. Anything detrimental to that (i.e. being called an idiot) is going to cause them to 'shut down' to any outside influence from anyone they deem an aggressor. I'm not saying that's a good thing (It's actually one of the many reasons this world is so f***ed up) but it's human nature and outside of genetic engineering, I don't see that changing anytime soon. Personally, I've spent years trying to repress that instinct in me and it's very hard. It doesn't matter how right you are; as soon as someone feels personally affronted, they're pretty much a lost cause.
I used be a very intense person. I got kicked out of a debate course for "making disparaging comments toward other students" as my school put it. That's a pretty tame description of what actually happened. I remember in the heat of the moment actually making threats. I know you're absolutely nothing like that, but when s*** gets real, I've found myself saying things that don't reflect who I really am as a person. My firebrand did make me popular with those who agreed, but anyone who was on the fence, or just plain in denial about what I was trying to say ignored me. In retrospect I've come to the realization that my actions were counter-productive to my motivation (which was of course to pull their heads out of the mother****ing sand.) Long story short I discovered more nonviolent forms of communication and found that more people (even those I would deem idiots) were willing come around to my side of the force.
Great historical figures have used more confrontational forms of communication than the ones I've embraced, so it would be disingenuous for me to say my way is the only way, but I wasn't sure whether you had considered other options, so I just thought I'd put this out there. I've merely found something that works very well for me, but to each his own.
Note to everyone else: I'm not banned. I've just decided to leave the site and the new title was a bit of gallows humor on my part.
Considering that buying a new game gives you an online pass included in the package, why do people have a problem with this? Sony is providing their customers with a full online service, all included in the price of the game.
Does EB Games or Gamestop pay to host the servers for PS3 games? Because when you buy your game second hand, you are their customer, not Sonys. So Sony charging you a pittance to play on the online service that costs them money to run seems fair to me.
I think too many people are used to getting a free lunch, otherwise no one would see a problem with this change in their business model. And if it curbs the wholesale exploitation of original game publishers by the second hand game industry, all the better. Do you guys think the CEOs of EB games and Gamespot are more worthy of your money?
<edit> By the way, additional profits made by a company like Sony go toward the shareholders who own the company, CEOs get payed the same ridiculous amounts regardless of whether the company does well or not, some get bonuses if they do well, but seeing as Sony is expecting 3.2 billion in financial losses this FY I don't think there will be bonuses this year.
What a load of bullshit sony charging for online now my ass!
I've actually purchased another ps3 before they started shipping out the 3.56 models. I am very much on homebrew on my second ps3. I'm sure you didn't know that so there you have it. I'm not obediant to Sony or whatever they do. The fact is this has been going on way before Sony made it official that their first party titles will require a pass. I will say it again Square, I'm not happy with Sony's approach with how they've dealt the homebrew community, but that's what money hungry corporations do. I do not need to educate you as you're pretty damn smart and reading all your past comments I can attest to that. If you look at the digital market like Steam or GOG or PC gaming in general, you would need a cd key right? Since Steam everything has been tied down to your account. This is how the new gen of gaming has transformed into. Do I like it? Absolutely not dude. But we need to accept it. the best games were on the SNES and PS1. I never cared for Dark cloud or any western rpg that's come in the past 5 years. DLC has destroyed gaming this gen and is only going to get worse. There are alot of things to complain about this gen. But some are acting like online passes are suddenly a new thing. I could piss on Sony for removing BC, or cutting down usb ports, or even otherOS. But if Sony never bothered with disturbing the scene, this wouldn't have been such a big deal. Most people complainng about these passes are the same ones that are still pissed over the lawsuits. I don't see people boycotting Steam because you're limited to one account per purchase, you can't game share either. Gamesharing means you could actually share your online pass. Do I like having to redeem my codes when I buy a new game? No, but I've been a PC gamer far too long to even care about typing a 12 digit code.
Originally Posted by squarepusher2
There's a misconception about paying extra to play online...there isn't. They are basically closing the door for any potential cfw or online methods with cfw. I'm not saying it's going to happen but who would spend money for an online pass when Sony could potentially shut them down. It's not just about killing off the used games industry, it's about scaring people into going legit. PSN is nothing to talk about, low population might as well play a single player game and put on a headset, same experience. But it's not completely useless either. It's a matter of time before MS does the same thing with their first party games. You're not paying to play online if you bought the game new. The only people this concerns are the people who either don't care about waiting for a used copy or pirates. Seeing as no cfw ps3 can go online it's not a big deal. It doesn't affect the scene one bit. I just laugh at the ones who can't seem to read dude. If you buy the game new you do not need to pay extra. Even Banned 360's Won't allow you to access your purchased content, as everything goes into trial mode, not many bitching about that. Excuse me while I go play some uniracers lol.
LOL anyone with a basic understanding of economy knows that there is no such thing as a free lunch, someone always pays for it. Allocating resources in an IT system costs money, every new player on an online service has their own unique accounts. It might not cost them $10 but their is a cost. I don't think this is about cost though, it's about user pay systems which are becoming the norm in the modern world.
Originally Posted by n00dle
What don't you understand about the fact that a second hand game customer is not a customer of the service provider? Its like you buying something from K-mart then taking it to walmart for support. You guys harp on about property rights then promote that the world should run under some sort of communist everyone owns everything system. You cant have it both ways.
It is obvious you hate sony, and the corporate world in general. That's cool, your totally entitled to your point of view. But guess what, others are entitled to their view as well. You exhibit this attitude that anything you think is the only way things can be, and anyone who doesn't subscribe to your mindset is some sort of human trash. Its amazing how the internet can erode basic human decency so effectively. On the other hand, most people on this forum exhibit basic manners when communicating with each other, which is nice to see.
Originally Posted by squarepusher2
I don't "love" Sony, and I am disgusted by a lot of their practices such as the ridiculous pricing of PSN content in territories outside of the US. The one console per PSN account video binding is another annoyance. The removal of linux, and the prosecution of George Hotz and Graf Chockolo were what pissed me off the most. But while I don't agree with all of these things, I can understand why they have occurred.
You have obviously never run a successful business, because many of the things that you demonize about sony are obvious revenue generating/protection business decisions. If I was seeing two thirds of my market being eaten into by companies that are buying games of the original customer for less than a fifth of their original value, then turning around and selling them to my potential customers at a 300% markup of what they bought them for, I think it would worry me and my shareholders. I am still amazed that more people aren't upset about how much EB and Gamestop rip you off on the second hand prices, or maybe you have much better prices in USA then here.
You have still to present a comment that amounts to more than a meaningless rant. You don't refute any of my opinions with you know, facts, you just hurl irrelevant abuse. I thought it would be obvious from my posts that I do not live in the USA. BTW we don't have koolaid in this country, that's reserved for you guys.
ps I don't hate you mate, your not bad at porting stuff to ps3, but as I have said before, you really need to work on your personal skills.
I don't wish retail stores out of business, I would prefer to see a balance. But the thing you fail to see is that retail management don't care if a games producer goes out of business. And at the same time, Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft don't care if a retailer goes under. Your defending one evil empire in a fight amongst 50. None of them are the good guys, each entity only has their own profits in mind. Do you think the retailers will start dropping the prices on second hand online games when this comes in? I can tell you a snowball has a better chance in hell. All of these businesses know that people will keep buying their games as long as they keep making them. Maybe YOU won't, but for everyone that doesn't, there are scores of 10 year olds that don't have a care or clue about geopolitics and just want the latest CoD rehash.
Originally Posted by squarepusher2
As the saying goes, don't hate the player, hate the game. And its pretty obvious you don't hate games.