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The only reason ppl bought DRM dongles (aka TrueBlue, Cobra) is to play games that at the time where unplayable on CFW. And the DRM in the dongle only came to light after ppl started trying to hack their eboots. PS4 is not next gen hardware, it is a strip down version of what it could be, I'm am not buying this console on release. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are trying to secure their consoles and not caring about the consumer just their bottom line, forget about the tons of ppl who have bought their products past and present and what they want out of the consoles. Console Gaming has change forever, Sony has set the bar with their removing features, it set a president that the rest are following. (F#ck the consumer).
Originally Posted by krytonic
The Cloud is a joke, and they sure are trying to make you think the cloud is awesome and how did we live without it. It's just a way to keep control of their product even after you have bought it. Greedy Bastards
What facts do you have that shows PS4 hardware is not nextgen hardware for consoles? I am interested to see them.
Originally Posted by doctorwho05
i think it's the 8 gigs of ram...WE NEED MOAR!
i don't think he realizes that console hardware can't always be the very best or it will be 700+ dollars.
Never there but always going back
Ok when Sony say it has 8gb ram shared between cpu and gpu, I have 32gb (4 8gb sticks) in my pc right now. I have a AMD radeon 7970 ghz edition GPU that has 4.3 Tflops (which has 6gb dedicated memory) while the ps4 has 1.8 Tflops GPU which is the equivalent to an AMD radeon 7850 and a ATI 4870x2 GPU (which was released in August 2008) has 2.4Tflops. And the CPU, AMD 8 core (which is 4 cores but 2 threads per core) has only 1.6 GHZ while my CPU which is an Intel core i7 3770k is clocked at 3.5GHZ base while it's overclocked to 4.6GHZ (though overclocks aren't important). Also ask any pc gamer and they will refuse to touch AMD CPU's because the architecture on their CPU's are complete shit, go check benchmarks and people opinions on AMD CPU's and I'm telling you it's a nightmare to use their CPU's but their GPU's are decent.
Originally Posted by krytonic
how much is your computer worth? then ask yourself if the average consumer would pay that. don't forget that everything in a console is dedicated to just that. it doesn't need to have an operating system taking up any memory, etc.
i personally think probably 4 gigs is more than enough for a console when it comes to ram. i don't know much but i mean, how much data do you need to access that quickly and stuff?
pc gamers have and almost always will be above any console gamer, but then again, they are just gamers. just cause they don't like something doesn't mean that a dev shouldn't give it a chance. it might not be the best, but that's what makes generations great! i mean the last great generation was pretty much the 5th cause all the consoles had their own strengths and weaknesses and after that, everything was just made to work on every console.
i'm glad next gen they're saying that pc development is what they're gonna focus on, and then they'll port it.
Never there but always going back
I got the cpu for $299, GPU $400 from a friend(it was $580 new last time I checked), Motherboard for $110, 32gb ram for $230, 3 TB hdd for $130, 60gb ssd for $60 and the case was cheap knock off $30 shit. Id personally believe 32gb ram is a bit overkill but I can easily afford this stuff so I get the best of the best hardware but I don't care about the case. Now this is Australia prices (where the 60gb ps3 launched for $1000 with partial hardware ps2 backwards compatibility) so in the US or whereever it would have been much, much cheaper like around $800 or $700.
Originally Posted by JOshISPoser
Honestly you can get by an intel core i5 3570 for $200, a GTX 660ti(2 or 3gb) for $300 and 16gb ram for $100 and a 1.5 or 2 tb hdd for under $100 and a mobo for $50 (again Aussie prices). So PC gaming can be affordable, I just chose to use the best hardware parts. As for consoles regarding their Operating systems, the PS4 reserve's 1gb for the OS and the Xbox one reserves 3gb which the xbox one is based off windows 8 and the funny thing is, windows 8 only needs 1gb ram (32 bit) and 2gb ram (64 bit). So there is a bit of a overhead and don't forget, Sony allows recording of ingame footage which required quite a bit of cpu and gpu power unless they use a separate cpu for the recording.
Consoles are NEVER as powerful as a high-end PC. Never. consoles are optimised while a PC has a lot of wasted power when playing games. You're clearly someone who thinks of themself as a IT technician when you only really know the very basics. PS4 is definitely next-gen hardware. Also they could just use a separate core for the recording. When using a 8 core CPU, load a game and check the load on all the cores and you will see the mass amount of wasted power. That is just one example. Now imagine if a game used 100% of the power, that is what consoles are designed to do. PC's can't do it.
Originally Posted by y0urh34d
Those were major reason's why I adopted the ps3 as well. I was very upset to find out that I couldn't install OOS.
Originally Posted by Tranced
I agree with krytonic, the PC are power hungry and not very efficient in utilizing the power, in terms of gaming. Problem is that most if not all games are not multithreaded and even if they are, it usually cannot take advantage of all of your cores, if you have a bunch of them. I have 40 hyper threaded cores, and Windows server 2012 sees it as 80 logical processors. Nearly all application cannot see past 32 cores or 16 hyper threaded cores and the rest is not detected at all. Not one cores even reach the 10% CPU usage threshold. If you were to change the affinity down to one of your cores, then you could see 100% usage on that said core, provided that the application is actually doing something. That is a lot of wasted power, especially when the computer requires 2 1400 watt power supply just power it on. But I am happy with this computer of mine, because the amount of cores and the amount of RAM I have that most people can only dream of having. Btw I have 128GB of RAM in case you want to know, and still have room for more. I do not know much about the inner working about game console, but they could be utilizing power more efficiently, and for the most part it has one primary task and that running games. The PC usually have more then one task, the number of task performed by PC or MAC is enormousness compared to the gaming console. So the console may not need as much resource as the PC need, and heck the power consumption is way less then that of the PC. I too have some PC games as well as some console games as well as consoles themselves, like the PS3, Wii, etc.
I understand it would be very expensive if it were Totally next gen components, but it just seems like SONY is not putting the effort to try to come close to what the spec for PS3 were compared to the components available. And they said that they wouldn't be losing money on the release like PS2 and PS3, what that tells me is that they are skimping on the parts and they are buying off the shelf parts not building a new chip, sounds like they want to get hacked. They think the cloud will protect them and their software(lol DRM).
I'm sorry ppl don't want to hear that sony is basically is screwing everybody with this so called next gen console, it's because of us and the tinkering we do. They don't want to invest in a system THAT WILL GET HACKED probably right after the release. It's smart of them, if i owned sony i wouldn't want to invest in that new high tech console knowing what will happen.