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Any easy way to get games to output in 480i? (so I can use a VGA transcoder?)
Any easy way to get games to output in 480i? (so I can use a VGA transcoder?) –
I'd really like to buy a VGA transcoder (such as the VD-Z3), but from what I've read the consoles must output in at least 480p for the transcoder to work.
Well, my main purpose of wanting a transcoder is to play games like Final Fantasy X-2 on my monitor, and if they don't support 480p then I'm afraid a transcoder is a waste.
Is there any way to force the PS2 to output in 480p so ALL games would work on a transcoder?
I know I could buy a scan doubler or other devices that would work on the PS2, but I feel that they would be a waste since component is going to stay and composite is on it's way out...
well the blaze vga software that came with their vga cord forced some games into 480 p, but it didn't work with all the games.
Does Blaze VGA work with HD Loader? (will HD Loader output to 480p or will I not even be able to play ANY games if I use HD Loader?)
you mean will it work with games on hd? No it won't
There are a number of inaccuracies here.
Originally Posted by jmk396
480p output in RGB is directly compatible with the 640x480vga mode (although I do not recall if sync-on-green is required for this compatibility). In this respect, no transcoder is truly needed, just an appropriate VGA cable for the PS2.
As for games that do not allow 480p output, the only product that seemed designed to counteract that is the Blaze adaptor.
I have tried myself to write my own kernel handler to intercept and force 480p modes but programming the GS properly was a tad difficult and I didn't get very far.
There are many actual hardware transcoders on the market today, although they seem to be sold primarily in Japan, certainly the best ones are. Contrary to what you came to believe, the requirement for most is that the input video signal be 480i, not 480p. These transcoders, naturally, perform some measure of scan doubling along the way.
Some transcoders do not do the scan-doubling, thus requiring 480p input to be seen on a vga monitor, and you would use these if you didn't have an appropriate PS2 vga cable AND your games already output in 480p. But they do not seem as useful as the others to me.
"Component" video is kinda irrelevant to all of this, because it is simply the best way to get the highest quality video, regardless of whether the final result is 480i, 480p, or a higher hdtv mode. If you do not use component (or vga cable) with a scan-doubler/transcoder, even for 480i, you are wasting money.
Hmmm... I'm a bit confused by your post. From what I gather, you are saying I will need a device like this: XRGB-2
The reason I was talking about component video was because the VD-Z3 is a component only "transcoder". The requirements state that the component source must be at least 480p. Thus, the PS2 (for the most part) will not be compatible. I'm aware that if I buy the XRGB-2 (or similar) device that the PS2 will work, but that costs 3x the price of the VD-Z3.
So basically my question comes down to this: Can I get PS2 games such as Final Fantasy X onto my computer monitor, with decent quality, for under $100?
Reviews on the VD-Z3 all say good things, but like I said, it requires 480p which is a big bummer.
yeah, buy a Blaze VGA adapter for like $20 bucks! You don't need a transcoder, the blaze will force Final Fantasy X into VGA mode using the software disc. Any game that has progressive scan built in will most likely work. You do have to make sure your monitor is sog compatible. I sold my Blaze VGA adapter and built my own VGA cable that is compatible with any VGA monitor, so if that doesn't work i can point you in the right direction.
Yes, I am saying you need a device like the XRGB-2. However, I am *not* saying you need the XRGB-2. There are plenty of others out there that perform the same function for far cheaper. It just happens that the XRGB-2 is the most expensive.
Originally Posted by sofakng
I am not sure why you are limiting yourself to the VD-Z3 with it being the most inflexible of transcoders, while only comparing it with the most expensive alternative, unless you are only aware of those two choices as your options.
Check out the lik-sang page on video transcoders. I *think* they still list the Hori one which should be about $70 or so, and plugs directly into the PS2. There are probably others.
Or, as others suggested, check out the Blaze if you want to force 480p. That may be just as reasonable an alternative.
FYI, I have used the XRGB-2 as well as the Hori one. Both are good, but I have had best results with the XRGB-2, though it ended up dying on me.
One more thing...
*IF* you get the Blaze, you do *not* need a transcoder. It comes with the cable you need and plug it directly into your monitor, while its boot disk sets up the PS2 to force 480p.
I've said this before but the o2mod can force everything into VGA,you'll just need to build a cable.Also if you were planning on using the x-rgb for any of the other 3 modern consoles,there are workarounds there too.The xbox can be done with just a modchip,vga bios and a pre-1.6 xbox and will be about 90% compatable with games,and about the same rate for emulators also....although its a bit of work to set it up nicely.The gamecube can do most games in 480p with just the right cable and most likely the ntsc version of games(and maybe a ntsc cube,not sure).The dreamcast can do vga natively for around 90% of games and most of the remaining 10% can be forced with a cable swap(although some will look poor because of their low resolution).The best reason to get a xrgb2 would be to use on 32 bit-era and earlier consoles such as the saturn,psx,snes etc as these don't support progressive at all...but here you would be better off buying a cheap rgb monitor,scart TV or a component tv(if you are in the USA/Australia/Japan) and getting/building a rgb to component transcoder.