Sony cant legally ban you if you purchased games you haven't yet downloaded unless they provide you a copy.

[thebudman420]

What do you guys think about this? Say you get banned from PSN and you purchased several hundred dollars in game downloads, mostly single player games. How could that remotely be legal as if you didn't have all the games you purchased downloaded, say you only wanted to keep 1 or 2 on your hard disk at a time like if you had an old 20gig ps3, Wouldn't it be big ass lawsuit against Sony unless they provide your with a copy of the game you purchased? It is like saying OK we can ban you and now you screwed out of the stuff you purchased and even though you payed for them games nope you cant have them now sucker, I can see Sony banning you from maybe playing online as that may be legal but they can't legally keep you from downloading a copy of a game you payed for, So if they didn't at least allow you into the PlayStation store to download the games or physically mail you a copy then i can smell a huge class action lawsuit.

[dingoo]

In an ideal world maybe lol, did microsoft get sued when they effectively banned xbox 1 from connecting to live, (no redownloading of dlc ect)
It will cover there behind in Terms of conditions already im sure.

[clum]

No, that's prefectly legal, it's the same situation with Steam, you can be banned there and you wont be able to re-download any games you bought.

[szlifier]

Microsoft bans your console no problem.
BECAUSE THEY BAN CONSOLES NOT ACCOUNTS, SONY WILL DO THE SAME.
See above even banning accounts is possible. So you are completelly wrong and you have no rights whatsoever.

And with latest bypass you are not only violating PSN Terms of Service but you are also breaking the law.

[thebudman420]

Ok so if i just payed 400 dollars a week ago for my ps3 buy games Sony bans me before i can download them then i never received a copy of the game i payed for. they would have to at least refund your money, I'm more then positive it is not legal at all, so basically if they banned my console then i still cant download the games i payed for. There is nothing legal about that no matter how you put it and i don't care with the psn terms of service states. It would be no different than buying a product from walmart.com make a nasty comment on say a product review they didn't like and get banned so they decided not to ship you your product or in case of a download didn't let you download it or refund your money on the said product.

Also think about it, say you was one of the folks that had a ps3 for linux, Sony takes away linux with an update but you didn't update so you could keep your functionality but you can't get online now to download your purchased games! They can't get away with not giving you the games you bought just because your didn't update your firmware because you didn't want to lose features the product was advertised as having. That is also another reason there is a class action lawsuit against them.

Also if they banned your console they can't force you to pay 400 more bucks for a new machine just to download games you payed for that you never received. I would so fight this in court all the way to the supreme court if i had to.

[clum]

You are missing the point. If you break the Terms and Conditions set out by Sony, you have no right to the games you bought.

[thebudman420]

You are missing the point. If you break the Terms and Conditions set out by Sony, you have no right to the games you bought.

That is not even right, It's illegal any way you slice it, If i have no right to the games u bought then i sure as well better get my refund as that's like stealing someones money,

No matter how you state it you can't just take someones money and not give them what they pay for or a refund if you don't. I don't care if you did break there terms, Have you seen how long there terms are, Somewhere around 80 pages i bet, Do you think anyone goes and reads all them pages of it, I noticed when i first signed up for psn it took me forever to scroll through the list just to click accept and i sure in hell wasn't going to read all of it, and besides it wouldn't be me buying the games online as i don't have a credit card and it would more then likely be me giving my parents the money so they use there card and they don't know what the tos states because they don't have a ps3, Besides my parents bank would go after sony lol, They have done it before when someone ripped them off and didn't give them there product and the bank went after them.

[szlifier]

Ok so if i just payed 400 dollars a week ago for my ps3 buy games Sony bans me before i can download them then i never received a copy of the game i payed for. they would have to at least refund your money, I'm more then positive it is not legal at all, so basically if they banned my console then i still cant download the games i payed for. There is nothing legal about that no matter how you put it and i don't care with the psn terms of service states. It would be no different than buying a product from walmart.com make a nasty comment on say a product review they didn't like and get banned so they decided not to ship you your product or in case of a download didn't let you download it or refund your money on the said product.

Also think about it, say you was one of the folks that had a ps3 for linux, Sony takes away linux with an update but you didn't update so you could keep your functionality but you can't get online now to download your purchased games! They can't get away with not giving you the games you bought just because your didn't update your firmware because you didn't want to lose features the product was advertised as having. That is also another reason there is a class action lawsuit against them.

Also if they banned your console they can't force you to pay 400 more bucks for a new machine just to download games you payed for that you never received. I would so fight this in court all the way to the supreme court if i had to.

Everything is in your PSN account. Buy another console, use old account and download games you bought.
If you **** up so much that they have to ban you account then it's only your fault and you can't do anything about it because you agreed to the terms of service. Read them. 20 minutes tops.
You must be god damn American.

If you still don't understand then there is no sense in continuing this discussion.

[thebudman420]

Everything is in your PSN account. Buy another console, use old account and download games you bought.
If you **** up so much that they have to ban you account then it's only your fault and you can't do anything about it because you agreed to the terms of service. Read them. 20 minutes tops.
You must be god damn American.

If you still don't understand then there is no sense in continuing this discussion.

You don't get it, They can't say well you have to buy another machine to get your games you payed for, same thing as saying well give us another 300 - 400 on top of the money you spent for the game, I know my rights, I'm not banned but if my console got banned and i payed for games i haven't yet downloaded then i would have no way of getting the games i payed for using my ps3 that i payed 400 for. Get it, I don't have the money to replace the machine as the money i used to get the machine came from 2 different people for xmas and the rest finally my buddy payed me the rest money he owed me from roofing for him for 3 months late, aka i barely have enough money to live off of or survive let alone dish out more money. I have a right to use my machine for what i want as i want to run other things besides games on it like linux ect. I don't see how they can ban you anyway unless you are doing something illegal besides accessing psn from an outdated firmware. I hope the class action lawsuit with the linux things wins out in court and it most likely will. Also the geohot thing is going to end up going all the way to the high court like the iphone thing and then sony will realize its our machine and we have rights after the courts tell them that just like cell phone users have a right to modify there phones.

People take machines back to the store all the time like walmart, and then walmart will put it back on the shelf as long as you said yeah it works good i just wasnt happy with it you have like 15 days to take it back, i know this because my mom and sister work at walmart and places like newegg will even easier take it back, So that could mean a brand new banned machine could end up back on the shelf's and sold as new. Or people buy machines on ebay that been banned and don't tell you.

[clum]

Feel free to live in your rather deluded world. The fact is, the law is the law, when you accept Sony's Terms and Conditions you agree to a legally binding contract, the exact same way you do with Microsoft's Xbox or Steam. If you break those Ts and Cs, you have to face the consequences.