Games not loading from managers without DVD

[Illumination]

Hi all,

I just jailbroke my PS3 yesterday and the initial process seems to work fine (ie. I can see install package files and that other app_home thing).

I have managed to successfully to do the following:

- Install Open Manager and Gaia Manager
- Install Blackb0x FTP Server
- Copy a few games from a disk to hard drive

However, I have found that if I try to load a game without a disk, it does not work. I used hermes v4b payload (from Dashhacks :: PS3-Hacks :: PSGroove Hermes v4b). Basically all the games have been copied (Heavy Rain, PES 2011, NBA2k11, Need for Speed Undercover) but when I try to load any of them from either Open Manager or Gaia Manager, it just restarts the PS3 and goes back to the XMB menu.

HOWEVER, if I put a game DVD in, it will load the last game I tried to load from the manager. So if I last tried to load Heavy Rain, and it then restarts the PS3, and then I put in the game DVD for PES2011, it will load Heavy Rain and not PES2011. But if I go back to Open Manager/Gaia Manager, it will detect the game DVD as PES 2011.

Also as a side-note, has anyone here managed to successfully copy option file data for PES 2011? I'm trying to copy W.E.N.B.'s option file (v4) but the edit data cannot be loaded (I get 8002920A error). Not sure what the problem is, I've copied everything into the correct folders, as far as I know.

Thanks in advance

[Illumination]

bump? Is this allowed here?

[stock2255]

If I understand you correctly, with no disc in, after you select a game in Gaia/OM, it kicks you back to the XMB menu. When it kicks you to this menu, are you scrolling up to /app_home/PS3_game and pressing X? After you select the game in either backup manager with no disc in, after returning to XMB you'll need to scroll up and select that. When you do, it should launch the game you selected in either backup manager.

Keep in mind, having a game disc in while playing backups improves compatibility. Are you trying to play Heavy Rain while having PES 2011 in your drive? If you select Heavy Rain in either backup manager, Heavy Rain should show up in XMB after you get sent back to that menu, not PES 2011. Whatever game you selected in Backup Manager will show up in XMB instead of PES 2011. This is normal behavior. If you want to play PES 2011 than, u can either select it in Backup Manager, or turn off your ps3 and boot it into JB mode again. Do not go into Backup Manager, and just scroll down to the disk for PES 2011.

If I misunderstood what you were asking, I apologize for that.

[Illumination]

If I understand you correctly, with no disc in, after you select a game in Gaia/OM, it kicks you back to the XMB menu. When it kicks you to this menu, are you scrolling up to /app_home/PS3_game and pressing X? After you select the game in either backup manager with no disc in, after returning to XMB you'll need to scroll up and select that. When you do, it should launch the game you selected in either backup manager.

Keep in mind, having a game disc in while playing backups improves compatibility. Are you trying to play Heavy Rain while having PES 2011 in your drive? If you select Heavy Rain in either backup manager, Heavy Rain should show up in XMB after you get sent back to that menu, not PES 2011. Whatever game you selected in Backup Manager will show up in XMB instead of PES 2011. This is normal behavior. If you want to play PES 2011 than, u can either select it in Backup Manager, or turn off your ps3 and boot it into JB mode again. Do not go into Backup Manager, and just scroll down to the disk for PES 2011.

If I misunderstood what you were asking, I apologize for that.

Oh no I have not tried doing this. The function of that button was never clear to me. It's a bit difficult as a noob starting out with jailbreaking, especially when there are no established guides as of yet (but I understand as jailbreaking on the PS3 is fairly recent).

How does having a game disc improve compatibility? Yes, you are right. As I said (maybe not clearly in my initial post, sorry), when I pick Heavy Rain from either backup manager, it will kick me out to XMB, and when I put PES2011 in, it shows the game disc as being Heavy Rain.

This does seem to answer my question though. I was under the impression that the game would load directly from one of the backup managers.

I will try your suggestion next time I get the opportunity. Thanks for your help!

[stock2255]

It is a bit difficult to get started. It doesn't make much sense to have to go to /app_home/PS3_Game to launch the game. I just happened to remember seeing various posts about it while I was waiting for my dongle to arrive in September.

I believe some of the backup manager removed the direct boot function, because the compatibility was so poor. If you look around you may find one that still has it as an option. I have Gaia Manager 1.03, and everything performs the same whether Direct Boot is Enabled or not. The number I remember reading is that less than 10% of games would boot directly. That number probably isn't correct, but it is very low to say the least.

Someone smarter than me can answer this better, but the better compatibility rate with a disc in, versus disc-less method, seems to deal with some sort of authentication check that games use when it is launched. Some games have just basic checks, while others are more in-depth. There may be a string in the eboot.bin or other game file, that points specifically to the blu-ray drive,and if it turns back a path on the hard drive, it fails this check, and fails to boot. I would imagine there are further authentication checks that we are not aware off, which are causing black screens on some of the Call of Duty games, among others. This may be fixed by a future payload released, or changes in the new Unified Manager being worked on, but that's just speculation on my part.

Nonetheless, I've only ran into one game so far that I had to put a disc in to play. But I don't have very many games to try. Just don't have the money to spend on them. I tend to keep a disc in just in-case, since the disc is only being used when the game is first launched, (and you're saving your laser either way). If you prefer the disc-less method, you probably won't run into very many problems. If you do, you can check out PS Jailbreak Compatibility List - Home to see if its a bad rip, if the game isn't working for anybody, or if you downloaded a bad copy. If you're going to find a Backup Manager with Direct Boot enabled, you're bound to run into a lot more issues than it's probably worth.

[Illumination]

It is a bit difficult to get started. It doesn't make much sense to have to go to /app_home/PS3_Game to launch the game. I just happened to remember seeing various posts about it while I was waiting for my dongle to arrive in September.

I believe some of the backup manager removed the direct boot function, because the compatibility was so poor. If you look around you may find one that still has it as an option. I have Gaia Manager 1.03, and everything performs the same whether Direct Boot is Enabled or not. The number I remember reading is that less than 10% of games would boot directly. That number probably isn't correct, but it is very low to say the least.

Someone smarter than me can answer this better, but the better compatibility rate with a disc in, versus disc-less method, seems to deal with some sort of authentication check that games use when it is launched. Some games have just basic checks, while others are more in-depth. There may be a string in the eboot.bin or other game file, that points specifically to the blu-ray drive,and if it turns back a path on the hard drive, it fails this check, and fails to boot. I would imagine there are further authentication checks that we are not aware off, which are causing black screens on some of the Call of Duty games, among others. This may be fixed by a future payload released, or changes in the new Unified Manager being worked on, but that's just speculation on my part.

Nonetheless, I've only ran into one game so far that I had to put a disc in to play. But I don't have very many games to try. Just don't have the money to spend on them. I tend to keep a disc in just in-case, since the disc is only being used when the game is first launched, (and you're saving your laser either way). If you prefer the disc-less method, you probably won't run into very many problems. If you do, you can check out PS Jailbreak Compatibility List - Home to see if its a bad rip, if the game isn't working for anybody, or if you downloaded a bad copy. If you're going to find a Backup Manager with Direct Boot enabled, you're bound to run into a lot more issues than it's probably worth.

Thanks for your simple yet effective solution of simply loading app_home/ps3_game after loading in the backup manager! It worked very well. I'm really surprised that I never came across how to actually LOAD a game during all this time I've browsed the various sites for jailbreak news/updates.

So even if you have a disc in that is not the actual game you are playing off HDD, it would still run better than without any disc at all?

While I have you here, can you briefly define "payload"? In my mind all I think of when I see payload is hermes, or pl3? I'm guessing the "payload" is the thing that tricks the PS3 into thinking it's a debug unit?

The disc is only being used when the game is first launched? But if that's the case, why do all the games I've tried work now without any disc at all (after using your app_home/ps3 game method)? Ok, I actually haven't tried too many without a disc, but I've tried NBA 2k11 and PES 2011 without any disc it works absolutely fine. Wouldn't you be saving your laser more by not having any disc in? Then it won't be trying to read anything at all.

Yea I won't bother with this direct boot. I just wasn't aware of it, that's all.