thanks for that info modpro,so at moment only place to get these programmers are from patricks website(ic2005),they couldnt be purchased from any other source(ebay) or any place else,anyone have pics i might try and make up one myself,i have seen fpc sockets for sale on ebay,but only has six pins,ive seen on one thread that 2 of the pins are not used,would it be possible to buy programmer with icsp port and solder a fpc connection onto it,heres the one from ebay>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6-WAY-39532065...item3ef85195d0


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,is there a built in bootloader included with that f2 update or would i have to install a seperate one,im confused.com