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  1. #1 PSGroove using a laptop w/ usb cable? 
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    If a nokia9000 and palm pre(which are basically small computers) will run PSGroove, is there a way to emulate using a laptop and a usb-to-usb cable?

    Years ago, satellite hackers had a program that ran emulated instead of using an atmega 128 board. I'm no coder but thought this may be possible for the PSGroove?
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    Absolutly. A lot of people here will tell you its not possible because a computer is meant to be a usb host and can't be programmeg as a device, but it's not true, it's just harder and not as cool as doing it with a PSP or Android phone. I also remember those Sat TV dongles, it can be done and it WILL be done.

    Just give it some time...
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    I believe......
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    Really, Truthly, I CAN'T BE DONE!

    The PC or PS3 is a USB Host, it does not become a device sending out ID's and connecting to another Host.

    Just try running a wire between the PC and PS3, and watch what happens, SMOKE and FIRE. -- Both are HOST's outputing powerful 5volts to each other, looking for DEVICES.

    It could be done, but not working some custom programmed hardware, and then you getting into COST again, besides software on the PC, you need some hardware to run it, if that is the case you would most like end-up with a board much like the Teensy with a USB chip reading the stuff from the PC and then transfering it to the PS3.

    Totally pointless.

    Just get yourself a Teensy or Blackcat or Maximus device, in the end it would be a lot cheaper, and more stable, then trying to get a windows program to run, and talk to a "let-to-be-designed-custom-hardware" which in turn talks to your PS3.

    Oh'well, people can dream, but if you looking for a totally FREE solution, just because you happen to have a PC to type these messages on the 'net, it not going to happen, without some type of "middle-man" device, which means it is no longer a FREE solution.

    Clear Enough?
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    Thanks gary for clarifying this all up. You explained all this very well.

    Now what about some USB networking cable that are available on ebay for 10-15$. This is basically a standard USB cable with a little chip in the middle to allow PC to PC communication. If I understand correctly, this could work, what you think?

    We are all just very excited about all this lately and trying to find all the possibilities, don't get mad at people asking things that seem obvious to you man. Maybe you should try drinking less coffee sometime and who knows, switch to tea? I heard it helps people feel more zen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by garyopa View Post
    Really, Truthly, I CAN'T BE DONE!

    The PC or PS3 is a USB Host, it does not become a device sending out ID's and connecting to another Host.

    Just try running a wire between the PC and PS3, and watch what happens, SMOKE and FIRE. -- Both are HOST's outputing powerful 5volts to each other, looking for DEVICES.

    It could be done, but not working some custom programmed hardware, and then you getting into COST again, besides software on the PC, you need some hardware to run it, if that is the case you would most like end-up with a board much like the Teensy with a USB chip reading the stuff from the PC and then transfering it to the PS3.

    Totally pointless.

    Just get yourself a Teensy or Blackcat or Maximus device, in the end it would be a lot cheaper, and more stable, then trying to get a windows program to run, and talk to a "let-to-be-designed-custom-hardware" which in turn talks to your PS3.

    Oh'well, people can dream, but if you looking for a totally FREE solution, just because you happen to have a PC to type these messages on the 'net, it not going to happen, without some type of "middle-man" device, which means it is no longer a FREE solution.

    Clear Enough?
    This is all 100% totally and utterly wrong.

    It can and most likely will be done. USB cables designed for communication with 2 hosts have been around for over 10 years and have worked just fine. Its just a matter of someone bothering to write the program to use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disposed View Post
    This is all 100% totally and utterly wrong.

    It can and most likely will be done. USB cables designed for communication with 2 hosts have been around for over 10 years and have worked just fine. Its just a matter of someone bothering to write the program to use them.
    It's actually somewhere in the middle between this and gary's response.

    Yes, it's theoretically possible. But as gary pointed out, you'll end up having to buy extra hardware(usb host to host cable, or similar) anyway. And getting someone to buy one and then emulate a way to do it is asking for a lot. Especially when there are cheap solutions out there already.

    Either way, you'll never see this exploit free, it will always require some type of hardware to execute. Maybe someday someone will find another exploit for the ps3 that is free, but it may be a long long time before that happens.
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    I agree 100% with Gxray.

    Anyway, think about it guys, it wouldn't be very convenient to have to have your laptop or worse, your PC connected to your PS3 everytime you want to use it.

    This is really not a matter of money. Well not in my case, because I don't care at all to spend a reasonable amount of money (let's say <50$) to have a nice tiny dongle that I could leave plugged in my PS3 all the time without even noticing it.

    The whole debate about using a PC for this exploit is only out of curiosity in my case. Like I said, I think it will most definitly happen sometime using a "networking" usb cable (like Gxray explaned), but I don't think many people will ever want ot use this at all. A dongle is way more convenient.
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