PL3 Stability Issues

[Swanny]

OK i'm going to try pl3 but that doesn't sound very convincing either at the moment. I haven't tryed that yet though, although this thread says, pl3 is known to crash, freeze and give random restarts, i suppose it's better then hermes which is dangerous to your ps3.

[lombers]

reformat start from scratch and dont use hermes... this will likely fix your crashes hermesv4b just messes up file permissions, which you might not notice till later on.



if it doesnt, it could be your files.

I've done this twice already, this does not help. If anyone here uses PL3 they should try Modnation Racers, this game has massive issues with PL3. It just freezes at random points, this is with or without any updates installed.... I've even tried default, dev, NUS... the same issue exists on all PL3 builds.

I can live with this for the moment, and as mentioned above I've only seen the freeze when returning to XMB a few times. I just don't want to use hermes payload because of permissions issues, so looks like I will have to go without Modnation until a fix can be found...

[charliebrown]

Can you link me to hermes 4b fix perm things or what ever it is, i'm going to try that....

perm fixer to run whilst using hermes

[Swanny]

Been usin pl3, Had my first crash today, returning to XMB but i certainly feel alot safer

Thanks iLLNESS

[nunracer00]

reformat start from scratch and dont use hermes... this will likely fix your crashes hermesv4b just messes up file permissions, which you might not notice till later on.



if it doesnt, it could be your files.

its pl3 messes up file permissions not hermes LoL



i suggest stay always pl3 from the time being

So, KaKaRoTo has confirmed in his tweet that the compatibility problems for PL3 was caused by the payload itself, it is actually never was in Hermes v4 payload.

Fixing KaKaRoTo’s PL3 Game Compatability issues | PS3Hax Network

ZanderCross - 10-24-2010 08:04 AM

KaKaRoTo has a huge vendetta against the Hermes payload... As I mentioned in another thread, when i installed the new PL3 I couldn't use any backup manager except the new 2.1e... To me if it works it works, but PL3 makes options of backup managers VERY slim it seems... and also requires re installs... *sigh* I'm not exactly saying that I don't appreciate the work, but come on... can't we make something without the idea of destroying other people's work and accomplishments?

To make other backup managers work now, with PL3 anyway, people have to alter their code to work with HIS payload... Does the word NAZI come to mind here for anyone else but me?

I mean seriously KaKaRoTo thanks for your works, but trying to tell everyone they need to follow one payload isn't like our community. This is a community that wants choices! Am I right? Sure we all want stuff that works, but we also want choice. There shouldn't be just one payload. There isn't just one CFW on PSP! I don't know sorry just a little rant...

My point is: we should have options... That's the point of homebrew! Having options we didn't have before!

KaKaRoTo is the new messiah, and only he has the new wisdom, which he is giving to us."

PL3 is the only way to Heaven, or world peace, or enlightenment, or clean and sober living, or do-it-yourself psychotherapy, or whatever the goal is supposed to be.


* Only the PL3 faithful will be saved.
* PL3 will be raised when the Rapture comes.
* Only PL3 sect will survive Armaggedon.
* Only PL3 has the correct interpretation of the Scriptures.
* Only KaKaRoTo has the New Wine for the New Bottles.
* Only KaKaRoTo has the New Technology of the Mind.

[Swanny]

Can someone else confirm this because one person is telling one thing and another person is telling you another thing....

[lombers]

its pl3 messes up file permissions not hermes LoL



i suggest stay always pl3 from the time being

This is such a load of crap. It's been proven time and time again that if you install a game with PL3 it will work if you then decide to run the disc in non JB mode with the retail disc. The hermes payload DOES NOT have this compatibility.

PL3 only allows the game read / write access to the folders it requires, not to the whole /dev_hdd0...

As for Kakaroto having a vendetta against hermes, this is also total BS. If you bothered to read any of Kakaroto's messages he states exactly why he doesn't like some of hermes coding and more importantly his releasing of code without the ability to track changes.

This is not about who is better, it's about providing the best compatibility for the PS3 platform with the least issues. If you're going to post crap, at least know both sides of the story....

[Swanny]

I've been reading this PS3: Why I don’t like the Hermes payload « KaKaRoTo's Blog And what I understand is what kakaroto meant by being dangerous was: is that it could (in some situations) crash… Well stone me, but are we not experiencing this with pl3 as well.

Then i interpret the rest of it as, the code hermes uses is hard to figure out compared to what kakaroto uses, it's complicated and annoying for developers!Hence way he's sayin that pl3 is the future because it's easier to integrate.

If that's seriously the case then let's hope one day soon an update to the pl3 payload comes out and stops the crashing.

[kakaroto]

This is such a load of crap. It's been proven time and time again that if you install a game with PL3 it will work if you then decide to run the disc in non JB mode with the retail disc. The hermes payload DOES NOT have this compatibility.

PL3 only allows the game read / write access to the folders it requires, not to the whole /dev_hdd0...

Actually it's not true (about permissions), the default (and dev) payload of PL3 have the same permissions as the hermes one, the only one that doesn't give any extra permissions is the NUS payload.

I've been reading this PS3: Why I don’t like the Hermes payload « KaKaRoTo's Blog And what I understand is what kakaroto meant by being dangerous was: is that it could (in some situations) crash… Well stone me, but are we not experiencing this with pl3 as well.

Then i interpret the rest of it as, the code hermes uses is hard to figure out compared to what kakaroto uses, it's complicated and annoying for developers!Hence way he's sayin that pl3 is the future because it's easier to integrate.

If that's seriously the case then let's hope one day soon an update to the pl3 payload comes out and stops the crashing.

Yes, from what i've been reading, it looks like PL3 is unstable for some people, I have no idea why and I haven't had anyone try to fix it or try to even talk to me about it (until iceQB contacted me 2 days ago).
I will try soon to modify the payload to send debug messages over ethernet when a crash happens, this way at least there will be a way for people to report bugs.

[MRDOCA]

Actually it's not true (about permissions), the default (and dev) payload of PL3 have the same permissions as the hermes one, the only one that doesn't give any extra permissions is the NUS payload.


Yes, from what i've been reading, it looks like PL3 is unstable for some people, I have no idea why and I haven't had anyone try to fix it or try to even talk to me about it (until iceQB contacted me 2 days ago).
I will try soon to modify the payload to send debug messages over ethernet when a crash happens, this way at least there will be a way for people to report bugs.

good to see your keeping at it. good work with lv1 dumping.