I've skipped some stuff on which I think you and I already agree, so in this post I mainly deal with some issues on which I think you misunderstood my reasons for taking the stand I did. (Primarily one where I asked for general simplification of the install process.)
In fact I'm not all that 'keen' on it for my own use. I've already had PS2 Linux on IDE HDD in one of my PS2 consoles, so if that was all I was after you'd never have seen me post on the subject.
Originally Posted by peterdcrees
Of course I can do that, but I don't consider it an appropriate requirement for being able to install PS2 Linux on USB, that every single user should have to perform such adaption work by running Linux on his own PC. This is not just for myself, but for all potential users. It must be far better to eliminate as much as possible of that work, by preparing a better installation package where most of it is already done, like the one deba5er is currently working on.
yet so reluctant to invest some time to boot his computer from a Linux live CD/USB drive (please try xubuntu
or 'Puppy Linux
I'm not at all unfamiliar with various 'command line' systems myself, having worked with computers for quite a long time, using various OS. Avoiding such command-line complexity completely was never the point of my arguments here, but merely to reduce the complexity of such use required for each end-user installation.
Learning a little bit about the Linux 'command line' and editing Linux configuration text files is not so bad, hey, even FCMB/uLE uses a similar system! :D
Currently such installation requires an unreasonable amount of PC-based work in a Linux environment in order to produce a working USB setup, and that needs to change. Not because I can't do the work, nor any specific other user, but because it is unreasonable that every user should have to repeat that same work.
Doing that properly is not going to work well with just a "Live-CD" environment, but will require a more proper Linux installation. And that is not available to a large number of people who still would like to use Linux on the PS2.
If you ever get a version of Linux working on your PS2 you are going to have to get used to dealing with the 'weird' world of Linux commands and .conf files if you want to 'use' the system, so why not get familiar with them, on your main computer first!
I don't share that opinion of Vista, which I plan to 'skip by' completely.
Personally I use Vista SP2 as my 'desktop' OS (the improvements to file copy/replace make it worth the upgrade over XP IMHO)
So you're saying that all of this works fine using only a "Live-CD" system, without dedicated discs or anything like that ???
with Ubuntu as a testbed for Linux apps, and the html, xhtml, mysql, php and perl scripts for my webste.
Actually that is very much dependent on such software having been compiled for the hardware in question, which is not always the case for all software (obviously). But for cases where it has been done properly I agree that it does allow linux applications to be used in many ways, on many hardware platforms, where similar Windows usage would be completely impossible.
Also I have a router and a NAS (WD mybookworld) that run Linux, what is amazing is that these low powered, 'always-on', embedded devices can run the latest versions of Linux software, the same as I use on my desktop.
I am well aware of these facts, but they have no bearing on my earlier arguments in this thread.
If you are prepared to spend a few hours to learn the Linux basics you can use these simple computing devices to: download podcasts, leech torrents, make backups, serve media (to PS2, Wii, PS3, Xbox, itunes, sling, etc...), make VoIP calls, control your home's power, etc.
I agree, but for maximum spread among PS2 users it also needs easier installation and management than any of the current methods, which have always required either the original PS2 Linux kit from Sony, or extensive work on a Linux-based PC.
This is what I hope can ultimately be achieved for the PS2, a repository of useful Linux applications, compiled for the PS2 architecture, with a usable package manager.
Which incidentally comes very close to some of the limiting factors of a PS2... :)
Look at the success of Linux on the Linksys NSLU2
, that is a device that has a huge Linux following, yet it has just 32MB RAM, 2xUSB, 1xLAN and a 133MHz ARM processor.
Yes. On this we are in full agreement.
The PS2 has all of this PLUS an integrated video device, DVD player, IR, Firewire, SPDIF, wired controllers and sound hardware, the possibilities are endless!
Here too I agree fully. But I am also sure that a simplified installation method for PS2 Linux on USB drives will prompt many more users to try it, than the older methods ever can. Right now the complexity of the initial installation forms a treshold that few users ever will cross. But if that treshold is lowered, by simplified USB installation, then a lot more users will join the PS2 Linux crowd.
Linux is not easy to pick up at first but keep trying and it can be worthwhile. Here's hoping that homebrew PS2 Linux can make people want to try!
Best regards: dlanor