What media type should I use to burn the game?

[dlsmd]

Like I said read this http://www.myce.com/article/Why-DVDR...to-DVD-RW-203/ it'll answer your questions, DVD-R has no advantage over DVD+R that's why +R is 100 times superior.

dvd-r was designed by the creators of the dvd and dvd+r was not

that is what i have to say

any way were getting way off topic

[lee4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD+R
DVD+R format was not an official DVD format until January 25, 2008.

Sure DVD+R has greater data preserving
but at cost of NO backwards compatible to older DVD-ROM drives (DVD Players, Computers, Older PS2) made before Mid 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-R

Overall DVD-R has higher compatible Reading and Burning.

However DVD Writeables are different story all together.

[dlanor]

Like I said read this http://www.myce.com/article/Why-DVDR...to-DVD-RW-203/ it'll answer your questions,

Not in the way you seem to want.

For one thing, it describes a lot of the defect management and recording control features you raved about as applying only to "+RW" implementation, not "+R". And it also clearly states that at the time that article was written no existing hardware implemented those methods. In some places the author even mentions a +MRW 'standard' used for his evaluation (not much of a standard when it never got widespread).

And while the article does mention some supposed advantages for +R methods, it also describes some disadvantages. I'm not going to compare instance for instance here, because one fact alone completely disproves your idea of hundredfold superiority.

In the seven years that have gone since that article was written, the supposedly superior +R products still haven't been able to out-compete the -R products, which they surely would have if they delivered 100 times the performance at appx the same price.

If that were true, then the very cheapest crap quality +R discs would still be a few times better than the most expensive top quality -R discs, in which case the entire industrial world would have switched to +R long ago to save money, and everyone would have stopped making any more -R media.

DVD-R has no advantage over DVD+R that's why +R is 100 times superior.

I fail to see the logic in this.

So according to you, anything which has no advantage over another thing automagically makes that other thing 100 times superior...

So if two things both have no clear advantage over each other, that makes both of them 100 times superior to each other... ?

I think you'd better think that through a couple of times more.

And if you were still referring to that article, it does clearly mention some disadvantages of +R too, despite the evident bias of the author in favor of that method. (He also states that the entire paper was written only with the purpose of demonstrating +R superiority, so he is obviously not focusing on any downsides of it.)


As for my own position on the +R vs -R relationship, I really do agree that there is sound reasoning behing some of the design ideas for +R, but that does not necessarily translate into a superior implementation, nor does it mean that existing equipment will work better with that format even when well implemented. There are lots of other factors influencing this.

And here I think we are approaching the off-topic tolerance limit, if we haven't already exceeded it. Don't be surprised if these posts are suddenly moved elsewhere because of it, though I am not going to do so myself just yet. If you still want to discuss this further, then I suggest opening a thread in a more suitable subforum for such a discussion.

Best regards: dlanor

[Shady]

So if two things both have no clear advantage over each other, that makes both of them 100 times superior to each other... ?

No that makes both things equal...

And the reason -R sells more than +R is because ppl don't know the difference between each of the different types...

[JNABK]

They arent "equal", far from it, but they are both widely accepted formats and all modern devices support both.

A DVD recordable format called DVD-RAM (DVD random access memory) predates DVD-R. Developed in 1996, DVD-RAM is a rewritable optical disc usually encased in a cartridge. Currently available in standard 4.7 GB, it is ideal for use that requires quick revisions and rewriting. In 2002 a new format was developed called DVD+R (or "plus" R). Created by a coalition called the DVD+RW Alliance, this format uses a number of improved technologies that, while generally unnoticeable to the end user, make a more reliable technology. One example is the ADIP (ADdress In Pregroove) system of tracking and speed control used by DVD+R being less susceptible to interference and error than the LPP (Land Pre Pit) system used by DVD-R, which makes the ADIP system more accurate at higher speeds. In addition, DVD+R(W) has a more robust error management system than DVD-R(W), allowing for more accurate burning to media independent of the quality of the media. Additional session linking methods are more accurate with DVD+R(W) versus DVD-R(W), resulting in fewer damaged or unusable discs due to buffer under-run and multi-session disks with fewer PI/PO errors.[2]

This new format, among other things, resulted in DVD-R being unofficially referred to as DVD "minus" R (though in countries where British English is dominant, the term "minus R" was already common; not just in contrast to "plus R")[3]. DVD-R and DVD+R technologies are not directly compatible, which created a format war in the DVD technology industry. To reconcile the two competing formats, manufacturers created hybrid drives that could read both – most hybrid drives that handle both formats are labeled DVD±R and Super Multi (which includes DVD-RAM support) and are very popular.

As of 2006, the market for recordable DVD technology shows little sign of settling down in favour of either the plus or dash formats, which is mostly the result of the increasing numbers of dual-format devices that can record to both formats; it has become very difficult to find new devices that can only record to one of the formats. However, because the DVD-R format has been in use since 1997, it has had a five-year lead on DVD+R. As such, older or cheaper DVD players (up to 2004 vintage) are more likely to favour the DVD-R standard exclusively[4].

Sourced from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-R#T...specifications

And the reason -R sells more than +R is because ppl don't know the difference between each of the different types...

No, its because its an older and more well known format. People still use older devices that support DVD-R and DVD+R doesnt work as well or not at all on them.

[dlanor]

And the reason -R sells more than +R is because ppl don't know the difference between each of the different types...

100 times superior for all those years and no one notices anything...
I really don't think so.

But it is now clear that neither of us is going to change his mind on this matter so it is time to put an end to this pointless bickering, as it really does not belong in this thread.

So we stop it here. (future posts on this off-topic subject will be moved elsewhere)

Best regards: dlanor

[berserk13]

don't go mad with DVD quality
if your computer is strong enough play the game with an emulator
it looks thousand better than on real ps2
I played both and I can't return on my ps2 after watching the difference.
FF 12 on emulator is as beatifull as ff13 un xbox 360
The only thing is you nead a good processor: dual core 3.2G
to play with good speed in game.
I've got a 2.8 dual and it slows sometimes.
but it's better than good speed on ps2.
Try it it's an other game.

[Optifix]

Haha, so the verdict is DVD-R of Verbatim or Sony for my older PS2?

[ffgriever]

I've been using both +R and -R. Both were doing fine with just slight differences when using liteon burner (on all consoles, though I had to set booktype to dvd-rom for v3 and v4 for DVD+R...). Samsung burner was giving muuuuch worse results on all consoles, though it was giving better burns with -R than +R. The LG burner was better than samsung, but it was still doing better with DVD-R than DVD+R.

Anyway, I usually go for the +R, because it seems that liteon burner I use most often gives better results with them, but the difference is not that big (well, it is when you check the pie/pif, but the ps2 does read them equally well), just a little bit faster recognition and something I would describe "better reading sounds coming from the ps2 drive".

PS. I moved the posts to a separate thread.

[Bootlegninja]

Never had issue with my samsung burner on any disc (that was at least OK or better quality)