So is psx scene really dead now? Nope...

[gDrive]

I doubt it paints the full picture as you have only had half of the story from the beginning regardless of what you have said. I came back here, and quite honestly people like you should be the ones banned. Even before the olive branch was extended, you were the one perpetuating BS on this forum which caused more and more shit every time. Or rather it fueled it even more. If I wouldn't have seen your posts every time in a thread, I might not have been banned 5 times on this forum. As I signed up on a different account each time to set the record straight, and to tell you to stop dragging my name as well as others through the dirt.

I always see you perpetuating lies on this forum in response to the recent fiasco's. I can say this with utmost certainty as I was involved with the fiasco from day 1. I saw every single word that was being posted on this forum and if it was deleted on this forum, it was brought elseware.

One of the major things you perpetuated was that other sites have a dark agenda with this scene. They "supposdely" want to do the following;
1) Steal traffic
2) Get members away from this site to increase revenue on other sites
3) destroy this site
4) Photoshop lies about this site. - Which is UTTER BULLSHIT! Every single screenshot that you have seen was official and taken directly from the rendered pages on this site. They were not forged in anyway. I could prove this if those said posts were not deleted on this forum.

So I'm gonna respectfully say this one last time - STAY OUT OF IT! You are causing way more problems than you are trying to fix. You are constantly adding fuel to the fire, twisting shit around, and perpetuating outright lies because you only had one side of the story. So you chose to stick to that side of the story which resulted in pissing off me among others. As you have said on that blog post and in the past "I have only seen a glimpse of the posts". Which means you don't have the full story so again - STAY OUT OF IT. You can't make an educated opinion on the entire subject as you don't have all the facts.

I'm not trying to cause trouble but when I see someone continually spread utter bullshit even after things have died down from the "old fiasco" it really pisses me off. As my name is attached to those "other" sites and I will not stand idly by why someone continually spreads misinformation for the sole purpose of causing more crap for both parties! If you stayed out of it things would die down. Even in this thread you are bringing up old dirt and trying to reignite it. - Bravo you accomplished just that.

If people like Jay-Jay would stay the hell out of things that they don't have BOTH sides of the story on, MAYBE just MAYBE the shit would die down permanently. I have held this post back time and time again, but I'm tired of doing it.

Yes I understand that no matter what people will leave this site for one reason or another. Most of them have done so out of very understandable reasons. But when you shroud those reasons in illegitimate bullshit - I have a huge problem with it. Especially when my name was among that list of the "co conspirators."

I can back up everything I have said with proof. I would not have made this post if it wasn't for his blog post which is full of the same conspiracy theories that other sites, members, etc have a "dark agenda." That's bullshit. I can say with utmost certainty that when people leave, they want to bring people over simply because they are friends with each other. Why do you think people get a bloody paycheck every time they bring members to another site? God I wish that was true. If it was my ass would be recruiting like crazy as I'm flat broke.

Lastly, the whole "fiasco" was entirely based around people wanting to restore this site to what it was. Meaning those involved were giving the administration a rude awakening. Which was partly accomplished with the olive branch. But it had something nasty attached to it. Which is why members are leaving yet again. On one hand I can understand the new TOS because several people including me threatened legal action if our content wasn't removed ASAP. But on the other hand, I think it still undermines what both sides were trying to accomplish and tramples on members that want to contribute to this site.

I can say with utmost certainty that no one wants their rights taken away from them in respect to their work. When you create something, you usually invest alot of time, energy, and sometimes money into those creations. So it's entirely understandable that you would want to protect those investments. That is why people are having problems yet again. They are extremely frustrated that they cannot protect their work and they can't profit from it if they decide to do so. But it primarily stems from not being able to protect their work and basically being told it's not theirs anymore. Which is one of the reasons why I won't contribute here. I may offer technical support but that's about it. I don't agree with the TOS at all and the only reason why I haven't said something about it to the admins is because I'm sick as a dog right now.

Finally I want to apologize if this post was extremely blunt. I'm sick as hell and quite frankly, seeing that blog made my blood boil. I haven't even read all of it but I know exactly what it contains.

Now this will probably net me an infraction or ban because I've effectively just flown off the handle. But I'm tired of seeing these posts, and I'm tired of keeping my opinion to myself.

EDIT: The admins have done a bit to douse the fire, but you are constantly adding more fuel to it. If you would let whoever decides to leave, make their stance and then leave, while not dragging the old issues back up, maybe everything would finally stop.
EDIT2: Just to say again everything I have said is backed. I don't have dark agenda either. But I am pissed off that people are STILL trying to spread misinformation in an effort to cause more trouble for those who were actually involved. We have enough problems as it is. QUIT ADDING TO IT!

DISCLAIMER : On the TOS subject. I'm in no way a pro when it comes to law or law speak. So my opinion of the TOS as well as others could be horribly wrong. But from what I understand, my opinion remains. The only way for anyone to get the full picture of the TOS is to seek legal council. That is the only way to be 100% certain. Also this post is not to be blamed on any other site. I'm representing my own opinion, and my own frustrations. So don't even think about slapping someone's name on it. I'm not trying to fuel the fire in relation to other sites. I'm merely expressing my frustration about the one sided opinions of the vocal minority who have nothing to do with the fiasco besides being on the site that the fiasco was based around. THAT IS IT!

<Round of applause>

PS: I hate liars and bullshitters!

PPS: I rate your post!

[master737373]

This proves my previous post. You are so busy checking grammar that you fell to understand what is written. The ToS is not stating that PSX-Scene is taking ownership of anything and this has been stated several times, but I guess you just refuse to understand that.

What part of this is hard to understand?

The Service and all content and materials found within the Service, including but not limited to articles, graphical images, interactive applications, software, audio clips, and video clips, are protected by copyright and are owned by PSX-Scene.com or its licensors.

While you're trying to troll me for correcting one instance of grammer (whom to who) you obviously failed to comprehend anything from this thread, or the TOS. Since you want to troll me for correcting grammar, I'm going to be correcting your every mistake. Starting with "fell" in the first quote supposed to be "fail." Also, you forgot a comma after "ownership of anything."

[xPreatorianx]

@xPreatorianx, with all due respect. Isn't this all just about retaliation than a TOS concern, or new admins, or new forum themes--I've read all your complaints--but nothing washes? The point I am trying to make here is that this is all about the new admins telling you guys to be kinder with your choice of words? And since you felt that nobody should correct you. You then decided to retaliate by going too far.

As far as having this site's best interest, I strongly disagree that by abusing members here with rude statements isn't cutting it. It's not positive, it's not product, it's not even intelligent. I'd like to think that all of you can be more than that. But every time you guys are given the opportunity, you rather castigate then bring something we can build on.

I am sorry if what I have done in the past couple of days has put you all against me or others around here. That truly wasn't my goal. My real goal was for you guys to read it and to encourage you to think before you make matters worse. So in a way, I accomplished my goal halfway, now hopefully you got something out of it.

I think we all want things to come to normal. But in order for this to happen, you guys have to come clean for once. I have not yet read nor heard a real reason why you guys are so apposed to the new changes. Everything I've read so far has been about hurt feeling and egos.

No it's not about retaliation. Again the old fiasco was all down to the fact that we were all extremely frustrated with what this site has become so we all decided to voice our opinions about it. I'm gonna take a guess and say you don't know how some of us operate. Me among other people such as Square are extremely blunt, to the point, and we have absolutely no problems with attacking the elephant in the room head on. Which means that yes we may seem extremely abrasive or outright inflammatory with our responses, we don't say things for the sole purpose to cause trouble.

I among many others simply said everything we did to give the administration a wake up call. Which was partly successful. Most of us have enough expertise in the IT field that if our agenda was solely retaliation we would skip the formalities and simply destroy this site. As we would have done far more damage to this site in a shorter amount of time doing so. The reason I say this is we can simply be erased from this board, labeled as evil people and than people move on. Which was done in all honesty. We were banned, our posts were constantly erased but in light of all that we still kept signing up. Why do you think that is? If it was simply for retaliation don't you think destroying this site would have been more beneficial? We continually kept coming back because we enjoy this site and it's members. Hell why do you think I'm here now? It's because I love this site and I got myself unbanned because I wanted to return.

Like I said most of us have an extremely outspoken personality. Hell the admins even admitted it and personally complimented me on that trait. So while I may be extremely blunt, I don't say things just to cause trouble. If I was really out for some type of dark agenda, I would simply destroyed this site and called it a day. It's that simple.

EDIT: Also most of the people that are still making an issue around this site is because of the TOS. Let me outline how things could have changed for the better even before the TOS. 1) Unban the old members (This was done for people that requested it.) 2) Allow both parties to apologize. 3) Done. Likewise if the administration didn't continually ban people that had an opinion, but listened to it, everything would have been avoided. But in all honesty I understand why they got pissed off, I understand why the added the new TOS. But I don't have to agree with it.

The admins got pissed off because of all the time and money they spent "improving" this site while people told them it was crap. Likewise the ex-members were pissed because the admins were "destroying" the site. Everything could have been avoided including this new TOS. In it's current form it does nothing but piss off people that contribute to this site, while protecting the people that own this site. There should be a happy medium, which I hope can be achieved. ( Those words have quote because those are opinions. Both sides can believe what they want and it's left up to each individual person to decide what their stance is.)

(Goddamn sorry about the horrible grammar. I'm trying to correct it.)

[steveo1978]

Originally Posted by Idiotic TOS
The Service and all content and materials found within the Service, including but not limited to articles, graphical images, interactive applications, software, audio clips, and video clips, are protected by copyright and are owned by PSX-Scene.com or its licensors.

Who do you think that would apply to?




Figured I would answer it for you in case you could not. It means the person that created what ever is in question.

[master737373]

Who do you think that would apply to?




Figured I would answer it for you in case you could not. It means the person that created what ever is in question.

Do you know what licensors means? Obviously not. Licensors are not originators. Licensors are whoever gives the license. We don't give any license, therefore, we aren't licensors.

[Jay-Jay]

<Round of applause>

PS: I hate liars and bullshitters!

So are you saying that you hate him also? Because he hasn't said anything that would tell us what his real issue is? It's not the TOS, trust me.

[master737373]

So are you saying that you hate him also? Because he hasn't said anything that would tell us what his real issue is? It's not the TOS, trust me.

Then please, enlighten us.

[xPreatorianx]

I will also say that there should really be an official post up in this forum that details EXACTLY what the TOS means. The admins should do this, and leave it open for discussion. As the only way this will be solved is either A) the admins break it down and allow people to discuss it than make changes depending on the discussion... or B) whoever has a problem with the TOS seek legal council and settle it in the courts if it comes to that. I don't know about you but I believe it should be 1) as it benefits both parties. Actually there's a C) The content is removed by people that are able to do so and people that don't have those positions are outright screwed.

[steveo1978]

Do you know what licensors means? Obviously not. Licensors are not originators. Licensors are whoever gives the license. We don't give any license, therefore, we aren't licensors.

When you post something here you are basically giving PSX-Scene a license to it, so you would be the licensor. As the copyright owner you can give out licenses to your work. Do I need to explain more?

[xPreatorianx]

Of course he can! The TOS doesn't specify nor mention that this would be an issue. Again, did we both read the same TOS? Or do you have another version? I am not trying to funny, but I have read it, and I don't recall that it does. Plus there is nothing about "owning" a devs project. I think there is definitely a misunderstanding somewhere--more on your end than mine at this point.


Ha ha! You caught that! Good job! That's been there MO lately. They don't go into specifics, they just go around the barriers. They make it seem that they have strong evidence to prove their cases, that their statements would be solid as bricks. And they have build an enormous and unbreakable wall with it. And I have said it in the past more than once, that if I am given the opportunity, that I will show them that their walls are thin as wax paper and I'll help them break through it.


Lol! I like your humor. Thanks but no, I have not illusions or delusions of grandeur. I am just an average person that does not agree with some points being tossed here. I don't think that bashing method helps. I don't believe in having to ridicule someone in proving a point. And I don't clearly see what their real issue has been so far. The more they try, the further they prove my previous points.

In all honesty that's because you don't want to see our point. You believe that we are only here to cause trouble. I've more than stated my reasons. I've done that clearly, concisely, and logically. If you don't understand them that's not my fault. Sorry m8, I know I'm sick as hell but my posts aren't that horrible. You can still understand my points.