So is psx scene really dead now? Nope...

[Jay-Jay]

@xPreatorianx, I'm just saying that it would be a lot easier if you just presented your own "personal" facts about what happened to you with the admins here. How difficult can this be? I've gone through this entire thread and have not yet read you provide anything about that. So this is why I keep asking you to provide your own story--not the story from others, but your own story with your own facts. It's a simple 1-2-3.

BTW, I am aware that you posted a comment about this on another site [PS3HAX] within an hour ago, seems like you are trying to recruit some players to this field. I do appreciate that, perhaps it will encourage them to come forward and also present their own cases.

But for just you, please focus on what my memo said and also your own story that happened to you. Cool?

[xPreatorianx]

@xPreatorianx, I'm just saying that it would be a lot easier if you just presented your own "personal" facts about what happened to you with the admins here. How difficult can this be? I've gone through this entire thread and have not yet read you provide anything about that. So this is why I keep asking you to provide your own story--not the story from others, but your own story with your own facts. It's a simple 1-2-3.

BTW, I am aware that you posted a comment about this on another site [PS3HAX] within an hour ago, seems like you are trying to recruit some players to this field. I do appreciate that, perhaps it will encourage them to come forward and also present their own cases.

But for just you, please focus on what my memo said and also your own story that happened to you. Cool?

OK I'm tired of answering this. When I provide what it is I'm going to provide, I'm also going to include my posts. Why wouldn't I? I mean come on now... that's just.....IDK ignorant to say the least?

Why are you so worried about my side of the story? I have stated my side of the story. You have said on numerous occasions that it was invalid and I was still somehow apart of a dark agenda. Just like with other members. So it's only logical to include not only my personal side of the story but anyone relating to it that I have stored as well. It seems like you are worried about me showing the entire story and not just my own. After all I do have WAY more access to that than you do. I have nothing to hide. When I publish anything, I will include everything I have stored.

My story also includes another persons story as I was advocating the stance of others and agreeing with them. So logically I have to include others as well. Or I would be "photoshopping". As I would be censoring the information that didn't pertain to me. Also I'm one of the only members that has returned to this forum after they were banned. So I'm one of the only few that can also stick up for the rest since my name isn't the only one being dragged through the mud. - That's called friendship. Sorry I'm an all or nothing type of guy.

I'm not recruiting anyone in all honesty. I'm just urging people to come forth and post their sides of the story to finally destroy any credibility that memo had.(even though it doesn't have any.) As I'm simply tired of seeing that memo being dragged up in an effort to taint the real story behind what happened. It has a HIGHLY jaded view of things. It doesn't have any where near the information it should have. It only has your perception of things looking from the outside in. But you think it's factual and should be used as an accurate basis of what happened. Which couldn't be farther from the truth.

I'm also glad you saw me posting on the other site. But I must clarify : I'm not trying to start any trouble. I'm trying to defend myself as well as others that were involved in the old fiasco. I wouldn't need to do this if the admins would just bin the bloody memo and be done with it. But since that is not happening, I guess I need to attack it head on.

EDIT: I mean if you were really only worried about just the opinions of those involved, than you wouldn't even be doing a memo in the first place. As you were not directly involved in the fiasco. You didn't get banned, you weren't centered around the people who were banned. So I honestly think your worried about what I have. Maybe you don't want the truth to be told? IDK. Just a theory but it may have some basis.

[steveo1978]

information is golden, but who wouldn't want to hear about the big news from the original source? from the mouth of the beast themselves.
or, if you have a problem with snes9x and can't get or find a solution to it anywhere, wouldn't you try to see if squarepusher2 himself could help?

Well on most "scene" sites Devs do not really post and its the average user that gives the support

[master737373]

@A few of posts above me.

Look at you acting like a judge with only 1 side of the story. You say you've seen the other sites and that people are recruiting. If you actually stayed at the other sites for a while, you might have learned what truly went down. No point in extending this if you won't try to learn what truly happened with original evidence, not with just what's in this thread and your memo.

[Jay-Jay]

@Rautz, your question about mr.goodfrag is answered here in post #9 and post #14 by two admins -- here is the link to that thread--read both pages: http://psx-scene.com/forums/f163/hehe-site-funny-93541/ (Hehe, this site is funny.)

@xPreatorianx, I don't know why you are getting tired? As matter of fact, I must have missed it where you state your own case. Can you provide me a link? You almost make it seem that you have repetitively stated what had happened to you. But I haven't seen anything yet. The only thing I read is that you plan to unleash some evidence but until tomorrow.

As for you implying that my memo doesn't hold any grounds (that it's 100% wrong).. hmm? Let's see if we can quickly outline some of my key points: (For those reading this, here is the link to the memo in question: http://psx-scene.com/forums/blogs/u188832-e33/ )

• I talk about some people coming here to just spam our site with links to competing sites. And this was done. As a matter of fact some were banned after doing this in multiple random places. They even have posts in some other (competition) sites where this spam attack is being encouraged.
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• It mentions that there are sites that allow posts and threads about bashing other sites (like bashing on PSX-SCENE)--there are many posts over yonder that do that. One site (ps3crunch) has stopped--they now lock up the topics, but the other one [PS3HAX] is still doing it. Please keep in mind that when I originally posted my memo in a topic, my topic was written a little before PS3CRUNCH decided to stop the quarrel with PSX-SCENE. Click on this link to learn when my memo was inspired (check the dates for cross reference and also read all three pages in that topic to gain more info) http://psx-scene.com/forums/f119/xpr...ht-know-93496/ (xPreatorianx, need some help ( or anyone else who might know))
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• I talk about how difficult it is to remind the rules to people that seem to not care on how they act around here -- this is proven even in this topic where a few decide to just bash me instead of presenting something worthwhile.
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• I talk about how sometimes people that are used to having their own way will get angry when told to tone it down. -- that did happen, they even were putting up signs for "down for censorship" and etc. You can go to any site and if you talk smack to the admins or mods, trust me your account will be banned. Plus if they tell you to stop bashing on regular members, and you continue doing it--then what do you expect will happen next? lol
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• I mention that there are people out there that have dark agendas and like nothing more than just come here and disrupt our site--you even agreed with me in PM that there are a few that you know that are doing this for only this purpose. Plus now some of these persons with dark agendas are now calling you a slave and etc, because you asked to be unbanned from this site.
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• It mentions that most of them that got banned because they kept pushing their boundaries and almost provoking the admins and moderators to take action. Even the "olive branch" statement talks about how the admins at one point got fed up from all this negativity from all of you.
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• And then I give advice to members to concentrate on what's important. To provide help and assistance.

Now how is it remotely possible that none of my above points struck a cord with anything that has happened in the past several weeks with anyone that has gotten banned or gotten bent out of shape against PSX-SCENE? I could understand that not everything I said fits your case as a glove, but I am sure there are some points that perhaps do. And also keep in mind that I've never mentioned any specific names nor any sites in my original memo. I gave an overall view on things. This is why it brought a tiny smile to my face when you stated earlier that you were very UPSET and yada yada yada. Perhaps somewhere in my memo a cord was struck within you. Hopefully my memo painted a picture on how comical some of you been acting up lately and perhaps this is why is now bringing you and others forward. Perhaps we can move past this someday and bring forward some change. The future can only get better if everyone involved take ownership of their errors and is willing to see past this and work on getting on a good foot from this day forward--as James Brown would say.

And no, I am not worried my friend. You can go ahead and present your case the way you wish. I was only giving you advise to make things easier for you to present your own case. Please re-read my past reasons--it's all there. Cool?

you might have learned what truly went down

So do you plan on letting us know what "truly went down"? Why do I get the feeling that you guys prefer going around the subject, but not through it--you know what I mean? I challenge you and others to present your case on what "truly went down".

[856534110967635]

I'm going to warn you this is coming from a person who has neither the time nor the patience to corral all this bullshit drama into one uniform truth of all truths, because frankly, there's some gray area. I see this conflict as a classic example of "Who moved my cheese?" There was a change. Some/a lot of members didn't like this change and either failed to adjust to it or left. Well actually, this is an ongoing process but the end result will be the same. It's difficult to pinpoint who was in the wrong because there has been so much c o c k-waving on both sides. I'm talking about everything that's happened since Caputo bought this site. Honestly nobody except maybe garyopa, deank and a few others that left or stuck around came out looking good from this. Hell, I don't feel like I have handled this situation very well. I feel comfortable accepting that, but I also feel very alone in that not very many people are willing to put their pride aside. I can't really blame them - reality is not so reassuring.

The mythos of OLD PSX-Scene. Did I prefer the previous iteration? Of course. Was it perfect? Not even close. The place had flaws, but this site and every other around the net was created in man's image, so that's pretty much a given! The old site was never a democracy - it was a benevolent dictatorship. If you talked shit about the site or generally behaved like a dumbass, you were history. And you know what, I liked that. The Admins knew how to keep a balance where freedom of expression could flourish, while keeping the shit-stirrers at bay. There were abuses, but they were limited and usually resolved in a responsible way. The new PSX-Scene is different, but it's not as different as you might think. Were some of you banned in a manner that could be construed as unfair? Yes. Is that an excuse to take down the kingdom with the king? No. The site is changing. The community dynamics here are shifting. If you're a die hard of the old ways, and want to have some influence on the new direction, you can chat with an Admin or make a suggestion, but just as it was with the old site, spitting in the wind will get you nowhere.

There are valid reasons why members and developers have left, but they're doing just that; they're MOVING ON. I'm one of those people who probably won't be around this specific site much longer, but it kills me to watch so many people clinging to the past. This infighting needs to stop. It's already gotten way out of hand. I've personally chatted with Mods/Admins of this site and voiced my disapproval of how they've handled certain issues, but I have no interest in tearing this community asunder because its administration ultimately calls the shots. The internet is a big place and if you can't work around the new direction here, there are other places you'd fit in with better. We need to coexist as a sprawling community of many sites, otherwise we're just a bunch of bitter tools.

Well on most "scene" sites Devs do not really post and its the average user that gives the support

That's one of the many things that made this site so awesome - the direct interaction we had with developers (see deank, square, rebug, etc).

[Warning]

Dude quit trolling. You obviously don't contribute any sort of content to a website so you wouldn't understand.

Jesus I'm tired of the trolls on this forum. Most of them are below the age of 18.(at least the maturity oozing from their posts as well as grammar indicate that.)

Please link to your contributions. I am Warning. I contribute content to lots of web sites. The Internet does not just consist of the fledgling ps3 scene.

[Rautz]

@Rautz, your question about mr.goodfrag is answered here in post #9 and post #14 by two admins -- here is the link to that thread--read both pages: http://psx-scene.com/forums/f163/hehe-site-funny-93541/ (Hehe, this site is funny.)

I also read post #1, #5 and #7 in that link and they say that he was banned for saying

This place has gone downhill, fast.

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See what I did there? Also if I dig a little further on the internet I can find a post(the one I was hoping you would answer with) where Mr.Goodfrag says he was banned a 2nd time for no apparent reason(well if we take a look at the rules).

I also notice in your post you mention that PS3Crunch allowed posts and threads bashing this site, but this stopped after you wrote your "memo". It would probably be better if you didnt mention that site in your argument since you got the wrong info. No. Gary put a stop to that thread 5 days before you wrote your "memo". Heck he even made a 'Thank You PSX Scene' thread 2 days before you posted your "memo" blog. Whats the point in me bringing this up, you ask? Well you subliminally mention them in your "memo" and paint them in a bad light saying they are bashing this place, instead of saying they did the mature thing and put a halt to those antics a couple of days prior.

Yes I agree that it is difficult to remind people of the rules, especially when we dont even know what the rules are anymore(see my point about Mr.Goodfrags 2nd banning)

Now this mutiny thing you speak of I would agree with if all the members were going to 1 site, but that didnt happen. We see SP started his own forum with Themeister and Halsafar, Deans over at Hax with Goodfrag and couple of others and Gary, and a couple others are at Crunch.

Now the thing is when people you respect say one thing and people that become the new boss say another thing who should you trust?

[master737373]

Actually, ps3crunch started closing those threads way before you brought anything up. And we weren't bashing, we were venting. It would make a complete difference if you figured out the difference. If you were really at those other sites during the *bashing*(really venting), one could only speculate that you too were intent on leaving. This is being typed on my iPhone so I'm not going to type a lot. When I get to my macbook, I'll expand. To end this post off, it's fairly pointless to tell you what happened if you won't take into account the previous posts from this thread and the other threads that were closed that contains all the proof we need. Also, sorry if this sounds too blunt, but I read your memo - it's 95% BS.
And let's bring up another reason why people are going to start getting mad: squarepusher's threads/account. There's proof on this forum of that. Search buttons are useful, especially google.

You've been fueling. Please stop.

Edit: Rautz beat me to the ps3crunch part. Really, keep ps3crunch out of it - we're actually "trying" to make "amends."

Edit1: You talk about how you try to tell people tofollow the rules but it's hard. You have to understand that not everybody is going to follow the rules. I follow the forum rules most of the time, but there're times where I don't and I'm in a "**** it" mind set. We're not robots; expect the expected.

Edit2:

I talk about how sometimes people that are used to having their own way will get angry when told to tone it down. -- that did happen, they even were putting up signs for "down for censorship" and etc. You can go to any site and if you talk smack to the admins or mods, trust me your account will be banned. Plus if they tell you to stop bashing on regular members, and you continue doing it--then what do you expect will happen next? lol

Biggest example: squarepusher and mathieul. Math and square have been going at each other for the longest. Math bashes square, square bashes math. They keep it confined, but square (a mod) still got bashed. Math never got banned.

Edit3:

It mentions that most of them that got banned because they kept pushing their boundaries and almost provoking the admins and moderators to take action. Even the "olive branch" statement talks about how the admins at one point got fed up from all this negativity from all of you.

Cut the crap, you obviously didn't even take the time to learn what went down. Nobody was pushing their boundaries and provoking the admins. Mainly, people didn't want to have an active account here. That's all I'm saying on that matter. If you can't figure it out from that, your whole opinion in this is pointless.

If you see any strangely placed words, blame iPhone's predictive text.

[Jay-Jay]

No. Gary put a stop to that thread 5 days before you wrote your "memo".

I see where you are confused. Let's see if I can make this easier to understand for you: If you follow the link I provided above where my memo first got started (inspired)--keep in mind that the final memo you see in the BLOG section was a summary of all my points I made in that topic I linked above. Here is the link again: http://psx-scene.com/forums/f119/xpr...ht-know-93496/ (xPreatorianx, need some help ( or anyone else who might know))

Now check the dates when I posted my replies--starting with my very first reply in that topic--if you read it, you will see where the first part of my memo starts with: That post of mine, was done 24hrs before they made a pact with PSX-SCENE, and then after this, they started to lock up threads on bashing sites. OK? Now am I saying that it was my first post in that thread that started them to think twice about their methods---NO. I am not saying that. But what I am saying is those methods were being allowed a while back before my memo was ever published by me. That was my point for the memo. I only mentioned them above because I am aware that they had stopped--and I salute them for it. But the other site [PS3HAX] has not. They are still bashing and it's being allowed with open arms.

As for what happened to mr.goodfrag, you did ask what happened to him, I provided you the info where it states that he was just creating topics to get some attention when he was announcing that his was leaving. Admins didn't like that he kept linking the site where he is planning to go, so they banned him. Simple as that. You may not agree with their decision, but you must respect it. They are in charge.

As to who we should trust? I respect the admins decisions--knowing that it's not easy to govern a site as huge as this site--and not easy to deal with hot-tempered folks either. So my answer is: I trust the admins did the best they could. And furthermore, I don't trust sites that allow bashing of other sites. I think I made this clear in my memo.

And we weren't bashing, we were venting.

Really? Umm, it did kind of seem you guys were just bashing this site, because of what happened to you or people that you care about. Bashing and venting is the same thing. And here at PSX-SCENE, it's not allowed to vent or bash another site. As soon as the admins see this, it gets closed and deleted. So that is why I said, that I did not approve that they would allow this to happen there. Plus the bashing was being allowed a long time before I made any memo. So my memo was written after knowing for a while their tactics and methods. So you can't argue that this "didn't happen". Can you? Because that is the point I am trying to make here. You guys say that my memo is 100% wrong, then how could it be if I am stating what has occurred and with facts to prove it?

And no, I wasn't thinking of jumping ship. The only reason why I went there was that first I was invited a long time ago, so I knew about those places (my memo mentions that). After that, I had forgotten about those places until a few of you were spamming many random topics and just linking these sites (like recruiting) -- so of course I followed to see what the whole hype was.

No, I don't think I've been fueling the fire, I think I have been the only voice of reason so far. I wrote my memo to let everyone know what is really going on here. Unfortunately, a few people got their feeling hurt by getting banned, after they were told to stop with the bashing and flaming replies. That is all that happened--one way or another. The reason why I think you guys have a problem with my memo is what I said earlier above. My memo paints an unflattering portrait of you. And of course you don't want to see it that way. But no matter what colors I'd choose for that drawing, it would have given the same results. I'm sorry, but that couldn't be helped.

Here is another view from a long standing member here from the scene about the TOS:

----- Now on to a more positive topic -----

Yes, of course. To all people with some patience this has been obvious all along. That improper TOS was bound to be replaced.
And today it has been done. A bit late perhaps, but nevertheless incontrovertible proof that this whole conflict was premature nonsense.

The unsuitable TOS was just one of many consequences of the admins' eagerness to get everything rolling along as quickly as possible, so they just used an existing TOS template without any major analysis. This analysis has now finally been done, with resulting changes of the TOS to eliminate the passages that previously seemed to infringe developer rights. (I say 'seemed' because none of those parts of the TOS have ever been applied here, nor would they ever have been, even if the TOS remained unchanged.)

This whole flamewar was just the result of some impatient guys having zero faith in the good intentions of the new management and zero patience in letting them show this intent.

But that is exactly what the admins have now done, by amending the TOS accordingly.

Best regards: dlanor

Link to the new changes: http://psx-scene.com/forums/content/...-changes-1253/