Who's Your Presidential Pick?

[prozak2005]

Who's everyone here gonna vote for/support(for the younger one such as myself). I personally hope Kerry wins, cuz Bush is an incompitant idiot if you ask me. I mean Kerry aint the best choice, but he's the better of the two. post what you think about some of the debate issues too, i want to get involved in a good topic i know somthing about

[necrolop]

OK, before I give my response. Since usually after I say soemthing, political posts become nastey fights. Lets set up some rules.

All things you say need to be factual and have basis in truth. No slander, Which means no saying, "John Kerry is a pinko Commy", "George Bush is a complete idiot bitch" "George W is a liar who lied". No emotional responsed, no "I hate that mother ****er cause hes a penis head!". Lets keep it to actual Issues.

With that said.. Well its gonna be hard for me.

Kerry:
PROS:
Something new, he maybe better or worse than Bush, but you dont knwo till you try.
He doesnt beleive in Pre-Emptive war
He will put a stop to Out sourcing, so that India and other shit countires stop getting all of our jobs so some rich guy can profit more.
He couldnt do worse than Bush on border security, but will he do anything either?
He can help us get liked by the world again.
He was a prosecuter who fought white colar crime.
He faught in a War, and is willing to sned other to war if needed, and wont let a UN veto stop us.
Stop tax loop holes for rich
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CONS:
Looks to the UN too much
Most liberal voting record in the Senate
He has been corn fed to become a politition since his birth.
He flip-flops
Higher taxes for Rich, (redistribution of wealth, like communism)
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George W. Bush:
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PROS:
Doesnt take crap from Europe
Took the US to FREE Iraq from oppression
Beleives in strong US military
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CONS:
Is allowing our jobs to leave to India
Pre emptive war
Lost our friends
Allows corprate crimes to go un punished
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For myself, I am not impressed by either one of these men. I really dont like the democratic Party, I am a registered Republican, not that they are much better I dotn really beleive in parties all together. But I still have not decided. Part of me wants to go with Bush, Cause I hate Europe(in a friendly way), and I like his forcefullness, and I hate hippy college students. The other half wants Kerry because I want to have a Job in the Future, not in India, nor do I want a mexican to come here to take it from me. Its a hard choice to make, and Im gonna have to sleep on it some more.
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NOW, LETS KEEP THIS CIVIL!, NO SLANDER, ONLY FACTS, NO EMOTION

[Primenal]

Bush has a small penis ...
Seriously though...Put it this way...I'd vote ANYTHING except Bush! Put Mickey Mouse (a fake cartoon mouse) against Bush and I'd have to say Mickey all the way! So, put Kerry in there instead of Mickey, and the same answer...Heck, put The Devil himself against Bush, and that'd be a tuffy. I'd have faith that maybe somehow, someway the Devil could change, but wouldn't have much hope for Bush .

[necrolop]

Dude, see that is hog Wash. State some facts, some issues. SO priminal is for Hitler2004. Come on man, lets keep this thread about real things.

[Primenal]

Bush has been wrong about so many things, and IMO (along with a lot of other people) has done stupid things...I told Nec I would change it with some facts.
Bush was wrong about there being WMD in Iraq, and although he did get rid of an evil dictator it just so happened that this dictator was in one of the leading countries of oil...There's plenty of other dictators out there Bush should also be going after (looks like we've already gotten saddam a while ago). HEY, heres a thought...Remember that Bin Laden guy? How about putting some focus on finding him. I'm sure it'll help your campaign. Be more truthful...Everything I hear out of bush's mouth is usually a lie, or an excuse, or something....NEVER an APOLOGY! The economy is supposedly doing great according to him, U.S is fighting "tourism" and the "tourists" (I mean terrorism, and terrorists LOL). Another thing why I wouldn't pick him...The man can't speak to save his life, and this is the man we have representing our country. I'd be ashamed to have him be the governor of West Virginia for gods sake, and that's sad.
Did kind of rant, but theres some facts with it that time

[necrolop]

See everyone, this is how liberals are. They provide emotional responses lacking any actuall faact based arguements over any issue. All they can do is slander and rage. Im not saying Bush is a great person nor that Ill vote vote him, but when you say he lies, or gives excuses, its slander unless you back it up with some sort of evidence that led you to think it.

[thetieger]

yeh you just did EXACTLY what Necro asked us NOT TO!!!!

personally I'm torn they both have their pros/cons but I am sick of the way bush is doing things, I think change would be good

-Thetieger

[prozak2005]

Hey Liberals get the job done tho, we pick what we like and stick with it. lol. Bush has made many, many mistakes tho. He relies to heavilly on the CIA for information of Iraq(the reason we fought em) and guess what there was nothing there, no nukes, no missle, nada. Sure Saddam had to be taken out, but it seems as if he was trying to make people forget about Bin Laden. It's like "hey Here a bad guy, ...a bad guy we can find!, and we will do eveything to take him out!" Sure saddam had to be removed, but not right now, he wasnt doing anything to us, and Gas prices were't freaking $2.00/per gal.! Kerry, sure he has many flaws, but i agree with Prime, we have to get rid of our disgraceful leader. He can;t even say NUCLEAR!, or subliminal. He couldnt speak to save his life. PLus our jobs, yes, i've was out of work for the whol freaking year cuz of this crap, and i wasnt about to work fast food. Plus the cost of everything seems to be high, cuz they sending it all to Iraq to rebuild it! **** that, are they gonna rebuid the world Trade centers for us?...definitly not.and the daily beheadings is a quaint reminder that they dont want us there. so i hope Kerry gets elected, and he stop all the nonsense with iraq, and we find Bin Laden and beat the hell out of him. i'm done, if i broke rules, sorry, lol. had to do it.

[necrolop]

Well you say Bush's inteligence from the CIA was bad, well look at this. During the 1960s, the CIA was the top inteligence agency in the world, but during the 1980s, it was chopped at its knees, polititions didnt like its power so legislation put through by John Kerry disabled the CIA, and turned it into a Buearacracy with a spy or two. So who is to blame for that.

$2 a gallon for Gasoline. While that seems expensive, in England the Gas Taxes alone are $2.79 per gallon, and gas prices have peaked at $7 per gallon. Gasoline is not gonna be around for ever, each day there is less of it. And people slam bush over a quote war for oil, yet at the same time bash him for high oil prices? Pick one, cause you cant have it both ways.

[prozak2005]

I never said War for oil, i said a war that was unnesecerry, and yes gas prices have risen because of the war. Plus no one forced bush to Make his decisions, he was informed by the CIA, of a slight possibility of nuclear weapons in Iraq, and he goes hog wild wanting to attack, and claiming anyone not supporting the US, is against the US. that was a loda of BS. If i was a world leader i would'nt support the decision. And guarenteed Bin Laden is laughing his ass off, cuz he got away with it.