Need advice........

**Primenal** · 08-19-2006,01:39 AM

All my life I've never been really a social person, and somebody who competed in much of anything in school. So, I never played any sports, ran track, not even something like band. Anyways though, I workout like crazy, and want to be a boxer. I have an obsession with trying to make my body *perfect*, and don't think I could ever be seriously pleased with myself.
Anyways though, I met this guy who's like 86, still in great health, and used to be a pro boxer. SO, he wanted to train me. For the last 2 months or so I've been training with him practically every day.
I've been very happy with my progress, and am getting confidence. He wants to RUSH me in to things to much though that he thinks I'm ready for...maybe physichally I'm ready for, but mentally I'm not. Like first day I'm over at the boxing gym I spar with this dude that won golden gloves 4 times. My weight, but leagues ahead of me, and he didn't take it incredibly easy on me. Then, he has me spar with this guy who's 190 when I only weigh 150.....He didn't take it easy on me (almost breaks my nose LOL). I've sparred with a couple of regular people lately, and did well, but he wants me to have a match the 2nd of next month! Like not even 2 weeks a way...I've sparred a total of 4 times, and expects me to debut without me being mentally ready for it.
I ended up messing up my shoulder really bad though while lifting, and won't be able to do it anyways, but I had a question, and wanted to see what everyone else thinks for once I'm able to fight.

I'm a nice guy...In one way I want to compete, and prove something, but in another way I don't want to hurt anybody or anybodies dreams. How can you possibly step in a ring, beat the crap outta somebody (while there family watches, etc), and then be very pleased with what you've done? Guess I could look at it as they took the risk, they were trying to do the same to me, pray for there health, etc...But not sure how I'll react once i'm in the situation. Just seeing how other people think they would react.

**Toma** · 08-19-2006,01:50 AM

Have you ever seen any mixed martial arts competitions? The only thing the other figher is looking for is respect and just because you beat the living snot out of him doesn't mean you did him wrong; it just means they have room to improve. No one steps into a competition and expects to remain undefeated; it's just not sensical. The best thing you can do is show respect; always touch gloves, congratulate your opponent regardless of the outcome, and leave the trash talk at home.

But honestly, you shouldn't feel bad; I think anybody in the business of fighting is prepared to take a beating. I've been looking into getting into the fighting arts myself, but I'm not built to give or take punishment. Though BJJ looks to be right up my alley though.

**Primenal** · 08-20-2006,01:22 AM

Yeah, guess your right....It's just competition, and both sides know what can happen to them. I just overthink a lot of things. I mean if you look at most people who fight there usually doing it for a reason. There to poor to find a good job, trying to take care of there families, etc. Not all, but usually you aren't going to find to many well to do people who box.
In my case I have a pretty good job, live with my dad who has a good job, have a pretty nice house, etc. Not rich, but definitely not poor. I just want to box for the competition, to show people my strength, and to test myself. So, I kind of look at it like I'm doing it for fun....Others are doing it because they have to. Granted, I have the same desire for competition, and to win....But I think by beating those people maybe I'm taking a little away from them. They beat me.....I just have to get over the fact of a small loss. I beat them....I may take away there dreams.
I've just pretty much decided to fight a couple of amatuer fights...Train hard, train to win, and desire that win (feel no pity on them), and see what happens from there. See how I feel, see how well I do, etc.

**relaxxx** · 08-20-2006,06:53 AM

When you get older, the biggest regrets you’ll have are the things you didn’t do. Anyone could wake up tomorrow with a crippling disease. Like the nike commercial says, “Just do it”.

**Toma** · 08-20-2006,06:24 PM

I think fighters get paid even if they lose a match, especially these days. I'd imagine it'd be pretty hard to find someone with training to fight for free. Plus it's really the experience that counts; one saying that stuck with me from watching a ton of MMA fights is that you never know you can take a punch unless you take one, so you're not doing them any favors by taking it easy. Of course that doesn't mean you should cheap shot them at every opportunity, but you get what I'm saying.

**thetieger** · 08-20-2006,06:42 PM

hey man if you stepped in the ring and got ****ed up would you blame the other guy? no you would blame yourself the mistake(s) you made. I LOVE boxing (not doing it) watching it, i boxed my friend, and ahh lets just say im wayy too outta shape for it haha but it's a great sport I think. when you step into that ring you gotta be a beast! no mercy, that guy raped your sister and then ****ed your mom

A boxing hero of mine is mike Tyson he was the greatest of his era (pre 90's) anyway I say go for it if you're mentally/physically ready, it's a great sport, good luck and if u fight i want a vid of it!

oh BTW did you see the holyfield fight on FSN the other day? he's 43 years old and making a come back, beat the crap out of some insurance salesman in 2 rounds, can't wait unti; he's in a real fight, he wants a title fight in about a year, and will slowly build up to it.

-Thetieger

**Primenal** · 08-20-2006,07:46 PM

Yeah, I seen Holyfield, and he looked good. He won't be able to make it back though....Not because of his age which is enough, but his size. Have you seen some of the heavyweight division? Back in Tyson's era when he was around 220, or 230 he could handle himself. He was a good fighter with great power. Back then there wasn't many guys THAT much bigger than him, and Holyfield.
These days those you got russians boxing who are 6'7-7'0....250 pds- 300 pds. The Russian champion (can't remember his name) is 7'0 and I think nearly 300 pds. A guy Holyfield's size can't fight somebody like that. There should be a super heavyweight division for those type of guys, but doubt they'll ever get one for a while.
That's the only reason I'm willing to fight. I'm like 147, and have great power for my size. If I were a lot bigger....No way.

**wallacee** · 08-20-2006,08:24 PM

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**thetieger** · 08-21-2006,01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Primenal

Yeah, I seen Holyfield, and he looked good. He won't be able to make it back though....Not because of his age which is enough, but his size. Have you seen some of the heavyweight division? Back in Tyson's era when he was around 220, or 230 he could handle himself. He was a good fighter with great power. Back then there wasn't many guys THAT much bigger than him, and Holyfield.
These days those you got russians boxing who are 6'7-7'0....250 pds- 300 pds. The Russian champion (can't remember his name) is 7'0 and I think nearly 300 pds. A guy Holyfield's size can't fight somebody like that. There should be a super heavyweight division for those type of guys, but doubt they'll ever get one for a while.
That's the only reason I'm willing to fight. I'm like 147, and have great power for my size. If I were a lot bigger....No way.

I kind of agree, the height cant be beaten but the combo of height and weight is just ridicullous, i dont even like klitschko , I think he just bullies people because of his size, it's not even really fair that he gets to fight people so much shorter/smaller then him. I'm not impressed with his boxing at all, if he was average height i think he would suck

-Thetieger

**Primenal** · 08-25-2006,02:08 AM

Originally Posted by wallacee

I used to some boxing and im 100% sure you will need more training than that, 4 sessions is not enough for sure

Yeah, I definitely agree. I was suppose to fight Sep 2, but it would be a guy around the same amount of fights as I had. Like 0, 1, 2. My trainer thought I was ready, and I felt *okay* about trying it. Of course you can always be in a little better shape, and a little more experienced. I was going to a good area where I was going to get to spar with some pros last weekend, and they could give me pointers, etc, but couldn't make it.
Have a slight tear in my shoulder though (like a stage 1 tear), and can't really workout with it. Was working out with it for like a week, but hurt it more. So, had to take like a week off. Can't complain though as now I see I was definitely overtraining, and get to see how my body is suppose to naturally feel...Not sore, not fatigued, not weak. After a weeks rest apparently my body got to go back together, and I feel incredibly strong, my shoulder is healed, and going to start working out again tomorrow.

As far as the boxing goes I'm just going to tell my trainer I need some time. I haven't got to use my good arm for practically 2 weeks now, and in my mind I definitely have to know I'll be able to throw a punch with it (without re-agrivating it). I figure maybe around the middle of October I wouldn't mind fighting. Definitely going to have to spar more though to get my confidence up, and for experience.

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