Its time to show support for our troops

[Primenal]

Originally posted by meyousikmann
So, when do you suppose WOULD be a good time.....after he has hit us with a chemical, biological, or nuclear weapon? It always seems to be the same argument....wait and see. I keep hearing about how we should let the inspections continue until it is determined that Saddam isn't going to comply. He has had 12 years to comply, how much more time do you suppose he needs? The whole issue with the inspections is just a game and in the end, he will never disarm peacefully. So what then? Wait another 12 years until he has amassed a great stockpile of WMD?

I want everyone to read this very closely, and try to argue with it:

THEY HAVEN'T FOUND ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. WETHER THEY HAVE THEM OR NOT...NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE. I FIND IT FUNNY THOUGH THAT PEOPLE THAT BELEIVE IN THE UNITED STATES SO STRONGLY, AND THINK WERE SO HIGH TECH, AND SMART....DOESN'T SEEM TO THINK THAT THE UNITED STATES COULD FIND A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION?

If you really beleive in your country...I'd think they would know what their doing.

On to the subject now. I do wish the best of luck to the people that might be fighting, but as far as the whole situation i don't really agree with what's happening right now. Fact is, Saddam should probaly be put out of power, but theres a lot bigger threats than Saddam. Whatever though, nothing you do or say could possibly change Bush's tiny brain to think otherwise.
I will say one thing that I HATE though. I'm sick and tired of hearing Bush Talk. He's the biggest broken record i've ever seen...
He's like "weapons of mass destruction" "disarment" "Saddam" "chemicals" "terrorism". Same shit over and over. he could throw something else in like Health care, or something.

[DevilDog]

I may have a different view since I was in during the War in the Gulf, Somilia, Bosnia and when Castro sent everyone to Florida. I of course would do whatever I was ordered to do.

Saying that I don't totally agree with going back to Iraq we had our chance, we had men that could have taken him out many times but never got the green light. We were defending a weaker country last time. We are going this time because of the oil. Remember our president comes from oil money. I would have no problem with going in Afganistan with all the effort we are putting in Iraq. After all Bin Laden is in Afganistan not Iraq.

Always remember the government only lets us know what they want us to know. In war time freedom of speech is after it is approved by the military.

[SniperKilla]

Originally posted by DevilDog
I would have no problem with going in Afganistan with all the effort we are putting in Iraq. After all Bin Laden is in Afganistan not Iraq.

ha, i hope that we find bin laden hiding with saddam. whats to say hes not there?

[Cpt_Obvious]

Originally posted by DevilDog
Always remember the government only lets us know what they want us to know. In war time freedom of speech is after it is approved by the military.

Arrrrrrr, That is the 100% truth. Different media will report different things....however all US Media is only putting out what they are ALLOWED to put out, so they are. There's alot more to thisy 'ere situation in Iraq than we're being told. If'n ya read between the lines and seek the truth ye'll find it. I have a handful of friends that served in the Gulf War...all of them tell me exactly what DevilDog just stated. There's much to the Gulf War that we weren't told either! Things our Vets are not ALLOWED to talk about.

Fox Mulder said it best, "Trust no one"....and I add to that ESPECIALLY the liberal media! Arrrrrrr, so I do.

[dmplz7]

all i have to say is... i support our troops, so

LET'S BRING THEM HOME NOW!

i'm scared of gmo getting drafted!

[meyousikmann]

Originally posted by Primenal
I want everyone to read this very closely, and try to argue with it:

THEY HAVEN'T FOUND ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. WETHER THEY HAVE THEM OR NOT...NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE. I FIND IT FUNNY THOUGH THAT PEOPLE THAT BELEIVE IN THE UNITED STATES SO STRONGLY, AND THINK WERE SO HIGH TECH, AND SMART....DOESN'T SEEM TO THINK THAT THE UNITED STATES COULD FIND A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION?

Gladly!

First, we are already being told that Saddam has armed his Republican Guard with chemical weapons. Funny, he wasn't supposed to have chemical weapons was he. He has had 12 years to dispose of the material, and yet, we now know that he is planning to use them against us. How ironic it is to use those weapons of which he claims he does not possess. What else do you suppose he has lied about over the last 12 years. Do you want to wait to find out? How 'bout those unmanned drones that are illegal according to the UN resolutions? Hans Blix didn't even mention those in his Security Council breifings....we only found out about those much later. How 'bout those chemical warheads? Yes, they were empty, but they weren't supposed to have them in the first place. Don't kid yourself into thinking there isn't any more that Saddam has conveniently forgotten to mention.

Second, do you really think you are being told EVERYTHING??? C'mon....be realistic. Don't you think for one minute that the security of some of the intelligence dictates that the very intelligence that may be used to prove the case must remain secret? I am not suggesting we blindly follow the President without thinking for ourselves, but please refer to the first paragraph if you need any proof of the deception that is becoming blatently obvious with regard to Saddam Hussein. I have no doubt in my mind that Saddam has WMD and will not hesitate to use them on ANYONE to further his goals.

Third, my local news channel went and talked with a group of Iraqi refugees that are currently living in my city. The news piece started with the Bush address so we could watch the reaction. Do you know what it was? Absolute elation erupted as soon as Bush gave Saddam and his family 48 hours to leave the country. Now, while I agree with johnny in that this war is not entirely about the people, I must disagree with the notion that we are not the least bit concerned with the well-being of the Iraqi people. One of the local Iraqi people that talked to our local news program was very quick to compare Saddam to Hitler. While I can't comment on the validity of the comparison, is it so wrong to liberate a people that will never be able to liberate themselves? And by the way, this war IS NOT ABOUT THE OIL! Can you give me some credible evidence to support that argument?

Fourth, I don't believe the terrorist connection to Bin-Laden is the motivating factor for this war, but rather, the terrorist nature of the Iragi regime. Nobody doubts the fact that the connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda is weak at best, but the President himself has never made the argument that this was the reason to justify a war. His motivation is simply to protect America by any means necessary. Iraq is a threat. Perhaps not tomorrow, but a threat none-the-less. Why wait until we witness another Sept. 11 by the hand of Saddam Hussein? If you don't think that Saddam is capable...please refer back to paragraph 1.

Fifth, I agree with DevilDog in that we should've finished the job back in '91. However, just because we blew it the first time, does that mean we ignore the problem just because we had our chance once and didn't take it? Once again, I refer to the well documented fact that Clinton had his chance to deal with Bin-Laden and didn't. Look what happened.

Last, I am by no means supporting the idea that America should march all over the Earth and exert its will of Democracy for everyone. If it were to ever come to something like that, even those of us that support military action in Iraq would stand up and voice our concern. The bottom line is that I don't feel safe in my own country as long as someone like Saddam Hussein is left to his own devices. He as presents a "clear and present danger" to the security of the United States and needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later.

[johnnyjoke]

this war IS NOT ABOUT THE OIL! Can you give me some credible evidence to support that argument?

How can you POSSIBLY say this isn't about the oil when Bush made a point of telling the Iraqis not to destroy oil wells in his speech? You think he's trying to keep them from hurting them because he doesn't want them? As for your Iraqi refugees, there is such a thing as doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

And if we're so worried about "clear and present danger", what about North Korea? You know the country that WE KNOW has "weapons of mass destruction"--not to mention an itchy trigger finger.

Last, I agree with DevilDog (and thank him for his service to our nation). I can see a lot more justification for action in Afghanistan than I can for this upcoming war. The Iraq-Bin Laden connection is not the only reason, but it's a big one. If Bush hasn't said it, I guarantee you that Powell and Rumsfeld have. And SniperKilla, I guarantee you won't find Hussein with Bin-Laden; Bin-Laden is on record as referring to Hussein and his political party as "infidels." We all know how Bin-Laden feels about infidels. He's probably hoping the U.S. and Iraq will kill each other and save him the trouble.

...and can someone please tell that man how to pronounce "nuclear"? He said "nucular" TWICE last night! Goes to show what a Yale education gets you.

[bjohn2881]

It isnt about oil he said in his speech dont burn the oil because it belongs to the iraqi people. Hes playing hide and seek with his weapons and has million dollar bunkers thousands of feet deep with all kinds of rooms and hiding spots. Just stfu you anti war fags and support your country and if you dont your a bad american. for the 7000000th time too its not for oil its to remove a dangerous dictator who violated un resolution after the first gulf war.

[Cpt_Obvious]

Arrrrrrr, no need for name callin' there Bjohn. This was a good debate with peoples expressin' both sides of the story. Now if'n ye can't enter an intellectual debate without callin names and usin derogatory languange, then you sir are the one that should STFU and keep yer mouth shut, so ye should.

[meyousikmann]

Originally posted by johnnyjoke
...and can someone please tell that man how to pronounce "nuclear"? He said "nucular" TWICE last night! Goes to show what a Yale education gets you.

On that point we are in total agreement....I must say I get a chuckle every time he says "nucular".

And on the note about North Korea, you say we should deal with them because WE KNOW they have WMD. I ask you, are the chemical weapons that the Iraqi soldiers are now armed with, that they weren't supposed to have, any less of a threat?