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Its time to show support for our troops
Its time to show support for our troops –
I just have to vent a little so ignore me if you like. I am so tired of the Hollywood types thinking just because they have a public forum that they can spew bullshit about our country and its leadership. Did you guys hear about the Dixie Chicks?
I understand they, among others, are exercising their right to free speech and that is fine. My issue is that the decision is already made. This war is going to happen whether any of us like it or not. Regardless of personal opinions, it is time to start showing support for our troops.....American, British, and any others that may join in the fight. Just imagine if you were one of those young men and women over there and you hear of about how your own citizens are in defiance of the war that you may die fighting. It is time to come together and support our troops. I for one totally agree with the direction the US President has chosen as I don't want to fall victim to another Sept. 11. Get them before they get us.
Anyway, if you agree.....great! If not, at least try to mask you contempt to show our boys overseas that we are behind them.
Oh, and by the way, I am doing everything in my power to orchestrate a boycott of the Dixie Chicks here in my city. I have already called my local radio stations and have requested that they discontinue playing their music. They have agreed to my request provided they get enough support from other listeners.
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!
Arrrrrrrr, what station is it ye called (what state/city?) I'll do the same if'n it's one of the stations I listen to, or can recieve in my area. I too thinks it be totall whale blubber that our celebrities, would down talk this nation like that. THEY weren't the ones affected by this. THEIR families weren't shattered that fateful morning on Sept 11. None of THEM got Antrhax from a letter recieved in the mail. How DARE they hide behind their money and fame and say such things. Makes me sick.
I have two close freinds that are over there right now. I tells ya, I wouldn't wanna be in their boots over there in that desert. I can't imagine what it tis like ta be in a kill or be killed situation. To be there fighting for your country, your home, and ta have people back home hating you and protesting against you. Arrrrrrrr, as Americans we have the right ta protest, and the right ta free speach, so we do. Let's just not forget about all the 1000s upon 1000's of our men and women that have given their lives to defend this freedom in the past decades and over the past centruies!
Ms. Maines' comment wasn't aimed at our boys overseas; I'm sure she supports them as much as the rest of us, and wants them all to come home safely. My understanding is that her comment was aimed at the dubious gentleman who is sending them overseas to fight a needless war. If that's the case, then I wholeheartedly agree with her.
While Sadaam Hussein is certainly no angel, now is not the time to go over there and throw him off his horse. He has had ample time to prepare himself for our coming, and while he's evil, he's certainly no idiot. This isn't going to be the in-and-out cleanup job that the first Gulf War was. No one seems to realize that.
This country underestimated a dictator before and sent in American troops. Perhaps some of you heard of that incident; it was called Vietnam. More than 50,000 bodies later, we finally pulled out, tails between our legs. Now that we know the possible ramifications of such a war, we have a responsiblity towards our soldiers not to endanger them needlessly.
So, if the Dixie Chicks don't like the President, good for them. That's what democracy is all about. The half of the populace that didn't vote for the President doesn't like him, and it's their right. As for our boys overseas (my own friends and family included), I only pray that they come home safe and sound.
p.s. I hope I've "masked my contempt" enough to keep from being flamed, but if not, bring it.
The world also did nothing about a maniac once before, his name was Hitler.
This country underestimated a dictator before and sent in American troops. Perhaps some of you heard of that incident; it was called Vietnam
Arrrrrrr, the only thing I dissagree with ya on there Jonny is about Sadam. Yes we should've taken him out the first time. But we didn't and we paid. So if we don't take him out now, who's to say how horribly our country and other countries will suffer from his terror tactics. Nobody wants war. One thing I have to say is that this is NOT Vietnam...and should NOT be compared to vietnam. That's a whole different debate. The major difference is that the people of Iraq don't want Sadam there EITHER! Many of the Iraqi soldiers surrender to the US w/o even firing a shot. The people of the country WANT us to help them rid themselves of the vile dictator that has them in his grasps right now....and personally I don't blame them, so I don't.
IMHO, I think we should've sprung into action back on Sept. 11 when a CIVILIAN target was attacked, and thousands of U.S. CIVILIANS were killed. That right there was an act of war if'n ya ask me. So if Sadam isn't properly handled, what do you think he'll have his operatives do next? Think of how easy it would be to contaminate a major city's water supply, to send an assault on nuclear power facilities, to distribute biological weapons into civillian areas.....all too easy, because that's not thing this country thinks of defending. We've grown arrogant, and have been "caught with our pants down" once already. It cost us 1000's of lives and two of the tallest structures in the world.
Funny, I heard the same "Vietnam" diatribe being thrown around when we were getting ready to go into Afghanistan. Ooohhh, the mountains, the hills, the valleys.....the Soviets failed.....it is going to be another Vietnam for us. Hmph.
Nobody said that the comments made by Ms. Maines were directed anwhere other than towards the "dubious gentleman who is sending them overseas" [our troops]. My argument with her comments are how disrespectful and untimely they were. You are absolutely right in that she has the democratic right to voice her opinion. Likewise, it is my democratic right to disagree with what she did and try to enlist the support of others to make a point. Much in the way this site has tried to enlist the support of its members to boycott Gamegizmo. We have thousands upon thousands of young men and women about to engage in a war I am sure they want to believe in. If we continue to doubt the cause for which those very brave souls are over there for, they begin to doubt that cause as well. It is time to put the political rhetoric aside and show some solidarity for our brave troops overseas. If we believe in thier cause and support their actions, there is that much more reason to finish the job diligently and safely so they may return home unharmed.
Oh and while I'm at it, would you propose we wait until Saddam has the means by which to deliver chemical and/or nuclear weapons to the United States? Funny, Clinton had the opportunity to deal with Bin Laden and he waited......look what happened there....RalphWiggum hit it right on the head!!
Last edited by meyousikmann; 03-17-2003 at 02:44 PM.
I side with Johnny, but again I will state beforehand:
I FULLY support our troops over there. I have an uncle that may be getting ready to go there (he's already overseas) with shin splints and a bad back, but he's definitely doing his duty. I have friends in Korea; which may not be the safest place to go, so in short..nothing but respect for the armed services.
The president on the other hand, makes me dubious. I guess it feels a bit odd to hear him orchestrate about the 'war on terror' and 'finding Bin Laden' yet we're targetting Hussein. I am not saying there's anything wrong with ousting a potential danger, and realize it *must* be a hard decision to press on with so little support. . but just given the circumstances and the actual president, it's hard to give my full 100% support to *him* and wonder about any other possible motives.
My only hopes is that despite the image he has displayed, Bush (or rather his advisors, or whoever has the most weight in the scene) has thoroughly thought this out, is aware of any possible consequences, and has chosen to do this to act in the best interests of his country (and possibly many others) -- As much as I may not like the man, I cannot dispute someone who does an ample job of doing what is in the best interests and produces the most security / benefit for their country.
As always, I am not shoving this opinion upon anyone else, and welcome any civil debate to my possibly flawed thoughts and logic here.
Wow, a lot of great replies. Anyone doubting the existence of intelligent life on this planet need only check our forum. I doubt Z's bunch even reads the newspapers...
A couple of points I want to address:
First, I don't think September 11 constitutes adequate justification for this war. According to the Washington Post, the link between Hussein and Bin-Laden is hazy, at best. Right now, we're using the excuse that they're both Near Eastern men who hate the U.S. as evidence of their connection. Hussein himself has said that he is not linked to Bin-Laden, and that he would be proud of such a link, if it existed (not that we should take the word of a madman, but still). While September 11 was a vile and egregious act, we shouldn't kid ourselves that this is purely in response to it.
Second, while it's true that the people of Iraq are no fans of Hussein, don't kid yourself into thinking that we're concerned with them in this country. The first time we went into the Gulf, it wasn't about the people, it was about the oil. That time, President Bush Sr. incited the Iraqi people to revolt, promising U.S. support. When the U.S. won the war, however, Bush merely pulled out, leaving the Iraqi people to face Hussein alone. Needless to say, he was less than kind. Hitler wasn't the only madman this country left to his own devices.
Third, I laud the Captain's observation that the U.S. has grown arrogant; however, Sept. 11 didn't snap us out of it. Now, instead of arrogantly believing that no one would dare attack us, we arrogantly believe we can march overseas and crush whatever they want to throw at us. If you can't see the paralell to Vietnam here, talk to a veteran or two.
And finally, another note about the whole Hitler thing: The American army hesitated to enter WWII because their army was still forming--that is, because they weren't ready. When we finally did land at Normandy, we had the firepower and manpower to give Hitler a run for his money. Had we mobilized as soon as Stalin began pressing us in 1941, the outcome wouldn't have been as favorable. No one is saying we should sit by while Hussein runs amok; only that now is not the time.
And that's my two cents. Hope you all have plenty to say about it.
So, when do you suppose WOULD be a good time.....after he has hit us with a chemical, biological, or nuclear weapon? It always seems to be the same argument....wait and see. I keep hearing about how we should let the inspections continue until it is determined that Saddam isn't going to comply. He has had 12 years to comply, how much more time do you suppose he needs? The whole issue with the inspections is just a game and in the end, he will never disarm peacefully. So what then? Wait another 12 years until he has amassed a great stockpile of WMD?