Final Fantasy X / XII Help needed

**JesusMcCloud** · 07-23-2008,07:11 AM

EDIT: ISSUE SOLVED, read on! it might help somebody:
but it is weird, really very weird:
i followed the guides burned at low speed (lowest possible = 4x) it is a LG recorder, fujifilm DVD-R
well i treid, wasted lots of discs and came to the following conclusion: BURN AT FULL SPEED and it WORKS flawlessly.
i tried this with 10 other games, all burned at full speed all working perfectly.
then i tried grandia iii 3 times with low speed. RESULT: 3 wasted discs.

I almos forgot... nero led to theese results

If it is bullshit, contact an admin or mod to delete it.

Good Morrow!

This is related to ESR, so i think it's the right forum...

SPECS:
Free MCBoot 1.5
ESR 9a
Console: SCPH-30004
Fujifilm DVD-R

I am just not able to backup these 2 games.
Here is waht i did:
created an image with imgburn (default settings)
patched it
burned it with imgburn (4x = lowest possible speed)

it did not boot
ESR logo shows up, and then i see a black screen. no flashing colors, no nothing

what am i doing wrong?
are there any special substeps needed for backing up these games?

**McBeth** · 07-23-2008,02:47 PM

This is indeed a wierd.
I'd say it's a burner/media issue, however if it works, why shouldn't ppl with your problem try it out?

**TnA** · 07-23-2008,03:31 PM

I assume, his burner is not able, to calibrate the laser-strength without depending on the "burning speed-laser-strength", defined by FW.

I said it several times,...
THX again, for a prove of my "guesses".

Slowest speed isn't the best, if the burner is not capable of do some calibration.
The organic layer in higher-speed-certified media reacts in a shorter time with the light-color-frequency of the laser.
So they are indeed certified for higher speeds and not for slow.
I also explained, how you can get the real certification-level.
8x should work mostly!

**ffgriever** · 07-23-2008,03:42 PM

Originally Posted by McBeth

This is indeed a wierd.
I'd say it's a burner/media issue, however if it works, why shouldn't ppl with your problem try it out?

No, it's not weird. It's absolutely normal. For most good media and most modern burners this is simply a rule. Not a theory, rather fact. Usually the best quality will be in 8x-16x range, while 4x will cause problems and any slower will be in most cases almost unreadable.

Sure, there are always some exceptions in both burners and media... but rule is always followed by exceptions. That's why I always recommend people to take few DVDs from every batch and burn them with different speeds (and strategies if applicable), then check the quality and choose the best one.

I would say what I think of the "professionals" telling people to burn "as low as possible"... but there might be children reading the topic and words I would use wouldn't be of the "nice" kind.

Edit:
TnA, why did you stuck on this "laser strength calibrate" thing. In most cases that's not the case

. Most modern burners can make such adjustment, even on the fly if needed, but the results always follow the same pattern described above.

Cheers.

**TnA** · 07-23-2008,03:49 PM

@ffg: Yes, like I also mentioned before, most burners which can burn 8x are capable of doing that, but some burners can do it in a bigger range.
I swear you, that the media-quality I got, is nearly everytime perfect.

If I burn a 16xCertified Media with 2x, or a DVD-DL certified for 2.4x with 8x.

PIONEER 110AXL

Btw.: Just want to mention something,...
When I burn Verbatim DVD-R they are nearly "golden" in the right light.

Has a better reflective rate than TDK, in my opinion (but I still think, TDK are good, even if I don't use it).

Edit: If I'm really wrong, some should correct me.
I wouldn't complain about.

**_ZedHqX4_** · 07-23-2008,10:59 PM

Sorry if you already said this but, how do you know the certified speed? i know its printed on some discs but, on a few discs i buyed recently it wasnt, so i just burned at 4x. Also, i buyed a few SONY dvd-r and my burner wasnt able to burn on them, it made 2 coasters, and gave me a lot of power calibration errors. i had to go with a friend to use them, the ps2 reads them perfectly

**TnA** · 07-24-2008,04:28 AM

You can get it from "ATIP".
You can read it from every record-able optical media (not sure about HD-DVDs&BluRay, but I assume it,... How should it get the Media-Speed and Manufacturer-ID else?)
If you read it with a tool, you can see the speeds, they are able to be burned with.

e.g.:

1x 4x, 8x --> Cert-Speed usually is the middle.

4x
1x 4x, 8x, 12x, 16x --> Cert-Speed (8x)
4x, 8x, 12x, 16x --> Cert-Speed 10x

**codone** · 07-24-2008,10:18 PM

FYI, my experience is...

I buy 12x - 16x media.... I ALWAYS burn at 8x (which burns at 6x for the first 10% and 8x at the last 90%). I never had one issue with PS2 backups, Wii backups, GC backups, or DVD movies on any of my players.

This is using many different brands of media also. Note that when you burn at 16x, it really only gets to 16x speed at the very last minute or so of burning. To see the actual burning speed, use IMGBURN and watch the Write Rate -- you can see when it switches speeds. I found that burning at 8x is only about 1-2 minutes slower than burning at 16x (not 1/2 speed like you would think).

Another hint -- overall I read and think myself that "Taiyo Yuden" brand is the best DVDs over any others. They are more expensive (abt 60 cent for inkjet printable, last time I bought them -- the price is always dropping), but not too bad. Also, ALWAYS verify your burn! Nero and Imgburn both will do this automatically. It takes a few more minutes but it's worth it! Not that I ever get verify errors with Taiyo Yuden.... Remember that a blank disc CAN be scratched, and if you don't verify you are screwed! Also, I look at each disc when I go to burn one under a very bright desklamp, you will see dust / debris that you never would have known was there. I gently wipe the debris off with an eye-glasses cleaning material, then pop it into the burner.

EDIT: I made this reply into a new thread -- if you want to reply on this DVD burning issue, you might want to reply there!

**l_oliveira** · 07-25-2008,10:19 AM

Originally Posted by ffgriever

I would say what I think of the "professionals" telling people to burn "as low as possible"...

They're not wrong ....

Well if they were in last century and we were talking about PS1 and CD-Rs they would be right. LOL

A lot of burners have bad data on their write strategy databases so if you have a media that fails for you, try anther brand. Most times it's just a mater of crappy FW on the recorder. I recommend Pioneer burners due to that.

**qwerty159** · 07-27-2008,08:38 PM

Originally Posted by l_oliveira

Well if they were in last century and we were talking about PS1 and CD-Rs they would be right. LOL

hehe, even in the mid 90's lowest speed wasn't always best.

For instance, on a old Plextor PX-R412C (remember caddy loading drives? :> ) I used to have 2x on Verbatim, Kodak or TY media always gave the best results. Similar for a 4x yamaha drive I had.

When I got a 12x plextor my best burns came at 4x for ps1 cd-rs.

Slower than max is always better, but slowest rarely is.

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