Requests for homebrew developers:

[neotechni]

I just used a few homebrew programs, and I'd like to point a few things out as we get started so these issues will hopefully go away.

First and foremost:
Please add overscan settings to every program. EVERY homebrew program I've used has the edges cut off.
The best solution would be someone makes a single program to setup your overscan settings and every game after that just uses those settings.
The more we get unified the better.
Especially if that same program could handle settings for every application via simply XML files, similar to how iphone has all settings in one area

Please do not have us make a new folder on a USB drive for every single game. I hate having a messy directory structure. Please keep it organized. Specifically, PS3\GAMES\<YOUR GAME HERE>
Doom for example already has ps3doom on the root, and it must be in lowercase. Please don't do that.

Your programs are being distributed all around the internet, without readme files. I tried every button on the controller and couldn't get menus to pop up in game. I just found out the GBA emulator uses L3+R3. How was anyone supposed to guess that? Could we get a popup window telling us like how the XMB says press Triangle for more options?

Please enable custom soundtracks and RemotePlay in every application where possible. In-game web browsing would also be nice.

Please save data the same way PS3 games do. Even if one emulator saves all files to one single folder, just let it be manageable from the XMB.

All the emulators I've seen have a simple text menu to select files from any folder on the PS3 or any connected device. Thank you for doing this. Loading from one spot only is annoying. I would prefer a prettier menu like PSP gets, but it's not necessary. Though showing the name of the drive instead of DEV_USB098 would be helpful.

Don't be afraid to support mice and keyboards as well, just don't require them.

[flex360]

please shut the **** up
get away dude, you are in no position to tell the devs what to do.

i hate idiots who come here and bitch about freely distributed homebrew programs. you should make your own apps and release, since you have such great ideas.

in the mean time, stfu

[Slynk]

Um have you even looked at the SDKs to see what some of your demands would take? Most people don't want to mess with the save file format so tough luck on that. And a lot of people are using PSL1GHT which I'm 99% sure doesn't have ps3 save file support. Custom soundtracks, RemotePlay, and in-game web browsing? Are you serious? In fact the only thing I really back from you opinion is Over scan, but others won't. Most of these homebrew developers haven't programed on a console before. They don't know what the hell over scan is. They are mostly PC programmers, which don't have to worry about over scan. So again, you're out of luck.

Do you know how old the ps3 homebrew scene is? A couple months. You shouldn't post in the development forum with a list of bitching and moaning. Feel free to point out something you'd like in individual threads such as the ps3doom, but don't post here.

[RatAndDragon]

... some demands ...

So how's about you make a homebrew framework with a set of foundation libraries to handle background music playing, web browsing in an overlay, handle setting the graphics mode (including stereoscopic, of course), automated save APIs and a customisable menu system?

And can we have it by the end of the week?

Also I'd like a pony.

[neotechni]

you should make your own apps and release, since you have such great ideas.

I do. Thank you very much. I am a developer.

. And a lot of people are using PSL1GHT which I'm 99% sure doesn't have ps3 save file support

You mean PSL1ight wont let them save to a specific folder and copy a png file to it? Thats pretty much all thats involved. If PSL lets them save at all, they can save to the proper folder.

Custom soundtracks, RemotePlay, and in-game web browsing? Are you serious?

Yes. All it takes is specific info the XML file included with the homebrew. Some homebrew has done it already.

Most of these homebrew developers haven't programed on a console before. They don't know what the hell over scan is. They are mostly PC programmers, which don't have to worry about over scan.

Thats both untrue, and not an excuse.

You shouldn't post in the development forum with a list of bitching and moaning.

So why did you get to when I cant?

So how's about you make a homebrew framework with a set of foundation libraries to handle background music playing, web browsing in an overlay

None of those things require any libraries. Simply settings the proper flags in an XML file.

Also, I said requests, not demands. Thanks for not even getting that right.

[flex360]

go get their source files and release your own
and stop bitching

[ctr3k]

Lol noone is going to code all just because you demanded them to.
To many people think that you can type up some code in notepad for 10 minutes compile it and BAM instant full speed ps2 emulation.

[Slynk]

I do. Thank you very much. I am a developer.

Source?

Yes. All it takes is specific info the XML file included with the homebrew. Some homebrew has done it already.

I'm gonna say... no. I could be wrong, but I don't believe that you can add support for all 3 of the things I listed with an xml edit. Seeing as a lot of homebrew doesn't come with xml files, none of mine did. And if I were to add one, I'd have to parse it and add support within the source for those features.

Thats both untrue, and not an excuse.

Mister 6 posts, I've been here for a couple of months and I've seen a lot of the developers. And I assure you that most of them didn't develop on a gaming console before now. I'm serious, you bitch at people on this forum, no one's going to listen to you. A little civility would get you a long way here.

So why did you get to when I cant?

Because I've actually used the sdk to make something for the PS3. Because I actually use the "Development" forum to "Develop" things rather than bitch about the current state of homebrew. A big chunk of the homebrew is open source. Don't like something? Change it yourself.

[neotechni]

stop bitching

Practice what you preach.

Lol noone is going to code all just because you demanded them to.

Good thing I ddidnt demand. I requested, big difference.

To many people think that you can type up some code in notepad for 10 minutes compile it and BAM instant full speed ps2 emulation

The things I requested wouldnt take more than a few minutes to program.
You really think saving to an INI file is on the same level of difficulty as a PS2 emulator?

Source?

Source that I'm a developer? Um, I'd be the source.

I'm gonna say... no. I could be wrong, but I don't believe that you can add support for all 3 of the things I listed with an xml edit. Seeing as a lot of homebrew doesn't come with xml files

They are embedded in the PKG file

I'm serious, you bitch at people on this forum

Woah buddy, simmer down.
I made some requests. The only ones bitching at people are you guys.
So again, if YOU dont like bitching, stop doing it!
I have NO reason to do something you're not willing to do yourself.
Practice where you preach.

Don't like something? Change it yourself.

Which do you think is easier? Which do you think benefits more people?
Telling the developers about the issues so they can improve upon future versions as they get started with only a few minutes of coding?
Or collecting the source code for everything, (where in some cases it's not available), studying to code to the point to find out if its even alterable, then changing my code to fit (these 2 steps could take hours) resigning it, publishing it myself (to which bitches will bitch "Well you're just bitching about nothing") then repeating it everytime a new version comes out (which given we're at the start of the scene means it will happen quite often)

Hint: The first one.

[Slynk]

I'm done with this conversation. I swear it's like talking to a 5 year old. "I know you are, but what am I?" "No, YOU first", bla bla bla. Look for a moment and maybe you'd realize, no one's on your side so MAYBE you're doing something wrong... What this thread screams is "I know how to do what you're doing, but better" not "hey guys here are some techniques to make your apps more friendly to users." See how a subtle tone change can make your thread more inviting? Want to make a useful post? Make a tutorial listing how you do everything you want in an app. Or you can continue arguing till this thread dies and your "requests" go down a black hole.