Why CFW using PL3

[Tyebeca]

Hi all,

Im just want to ask why the Custom Firmwares uses PL3 payload? Why not Hermes v4b payload? Hermes is more stable than PL3 in my opinion. There is several reports that in the custom firmwares like Wutangrza have random XMB crashes. Is that true?

Thank you.


Sorry 4 my bad english.

[ichibaka]

herms v4b is not compatible with 3.55 and hasn't been updated

[bearmon2010]

herms v4b is not compatible with 3.55 and hasn't been updated

Are you sure ? I thought it is compatible with Wanin 3.55 and Kmeaw 3.55.

[nunracer00]

because KaKaRoTo's said Hermes payload is useless and dangerous could crash in some situations (requiring a reboot) and told developer to stop supporting Hermes payload

pl3 is the the new standard, this is what all the payloads should use, nothing else, and this is what everyone should start using,
not the old, crappy, backup-manager specific, PSJailbreak written, syscall 36

PS3: The payload mess…

PS3: The payload mess… « KaKaRoTo's Blog



http://psx-scene.com/forums/f118/pl3...-better-71462/ (PL3 or Hermes? Which payload is better?)

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f178/pl3...-issues-70310/ (PL3 Stability Issues)

I'm not full of hate, I do not like crappy stuff, and I do give my opinion freely and I don't want to be tied down or have to play the hypocrite or whatever just to avoid hurting a grown man's possible feelings.
I know 90% of the people I talked to who say PL3 works better for them, and the other 10% say that hermes works better for them, and like I've said probably about a million times now "use whatever works for you". I wouldn't be saying that if I was full of hate, now would I ?
Also, it's not a matter of "I don't like his code", it's a matter of "it IS bad code", there are standards, there are ways of coding that any sane developer should know.. you're not going to say "hey, you can't criticize this house because it didn't implode on me" even though the floors have a 30 degrees angle (not leveled) and the walls/corners are not perpendicular.. Yeah, maybe the house is still standing, maybe you can live in it, but it doesn't mean that if an architect says "this house was built the wrong way" that he is full of hate..
Hermes says he is an amateur programmer, and that just shows, I'm not saying he's an asshole, I'm saying he writes code like an amateur (which he is).
About not wanting to work with the community, it's also a fact. I tried talking to him but he just doesn't care.. and others who knew him for a long time also came talking to me in private telling me to just let go because he's an individualist and he'll never work with others, and he'll never help others.
And if you are not a developer, please NEVER say that distributing files in .rar format is "just as good" or "just as legitimate" as any other means.. it's simply not, it's a fact, and there is absolutely no place for debating that. When you are a developer and have experience in developing projects involving multiple contributors, you can come back and talk to me about that (and I know you're not simply because you said .rar is as good as git).

Anyways, on topic, the advantages are small, PL3 does have a lot more stuff for developers mainly, like I said, PL3 isn't "a payload", it's "a project" which contains multiple payloads.. there are payloads to dump an unmodified LV2, a payload to print the backtrace of specific functions (useful for development), a payload to print the crash report if your payload or your homebrew app crashed, a payload to show a trace of all LV1 hypercalls and LV2 system calls, a payload that dumps the communication between lv2 and the LV1 VUARTs. All of that is very useful for reverse engineering and for developers..
from a user standpoint, you have the main difference being the support for older firmwares (if you still have a 3.15 machine for example, then you have to use PL3), you also have the ability to map any path to another, so you're not limited only to the hardcoded /dev_bdvd from hermes. This allows the use of the "Awesome Mount manager" homebrew application by NZHawk which only works with syscall 35 (which is PL3 specific).
And for many people, it seems their main motivation for using PL3 is that they know it's a more open, community project with multiple contributors, with easy to read and maintain code, and they know that it will continuously evolve (even if i disappear tomorrow, as opposed to hermes payload being completely stalled now that he's gone because everyone who attempted to modify it fled in fear and in tears after seeing his code.. and I'm 100% honestly serious about that, all the devs I know had the exact same complaints as me and when he released v4, I know that noone even downloaded his .rar because they all knew it wasn't worth even looking at his changes).

That's about it, if you have other questions or insightful comments, feel free to click the reply button.

KaKaRoTo

Why are you defending him anyways? If you see someone raping a young girl in the street, you won't say anything because it might offend the rapist? No, I don't think so.. well that's how I see it, the guy took some code, and raped the shit out of it, and then defecated on it.. the result might have been pretty (for those who like that sort of thing), but it's not for everyone...
Do you even have enough brain matter to actually know what the **** is in his payload or how it works? No? they just shut the hell up! I might have attacked him, but I didn't do it without reason.. maybe you didn't like it, but I know that many other people who lack the skills to judge his work were grateful that I blogged about it, so they can actually make an informed choice and not blindlessly follow the first retard with a compiler they find. If you want to be a sheep, then be one, just shut up about it, I don't want to know what hermes does to you in your wet dreams.

[Ben Jeremy]

If I had the source to Hermes 4b, to compare to the PL3 payload, I imagine the offsets are pretty close, relatively, between 3.41 and 3.55.

It should be possible to extrapolate a "3.55" version of the Hermes 4b payload, by offsetting values the same difference as the PL3 3.41 -> 3.55 changes.

With the latest patcher, all we need to do is compile the payload binary and drop it in to test, and there's no risk of bricking, since it flashes nothing.

[Qraze]

well, i'm still on on 3.55geobreak and i'll stay there until a much more reliable and stable fw is made for it. i also want to see how these things turn up in the long run after many uses of code has ran through them.

[daxtsu]

If I had the source to Hermes 4b, to compare to the PL3 payload, I imagine the offsets are pretty close, relatively, between 3.41 and 3.55.

It should be possible to extrapolate a "3.55" version of the Hermes 4b payload, by offsetting values the same difference as the PL3 3.41 -> 3.55 changes.

With the latest patcher, all we need to do is compile the payload binary and drop it in to test, and there's no risk of bricking, since it flashes nothing.

Hermes' source is on evilsperms' [notranslate]GIT[/notranslate]: https://github.com/evilsperm/hermes

[bearmon2010]

Really ? My hermes v4 with spoof 3.55 never crashes at all. It don't let me down at all.

[iamtoocool]

Really ? My hermes v4 with spoof 3.55 never crashes at all. It don't let me down at all.

me too!

[Ben Jeremy]

because KaKaRoTo's said Hermes payload is useless and dangerous could crash in some situations (requiring a reboot) and told developer to stop supporting Hermes payload




PS3: The payload mess…

PS3: The payload mess… « KaKaRoTo's Blog



http://psx-scene.com/forums/f118/pl3...-better-71462/ (PL3 or Hermes? Which payload is better?)

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f178/pl3...-issues-70310/ (PL3 Stability Issues)

Yeah... and after that hissy fit (I really think it qualifies for that description), we discovered that the "clean" PL3 is less compatible and buggier than the "dirty" Hermes 4b. I never had a glitch running Hermes 4b in 3.41.

I honestly don't understand why hackers don't have thicker skins.

At any rate, at this point, I think it's painfully clear the issues with the PL3 payload, and I believe Hermes 4b is/was the clear leader in being used as a payload on jailbreak devices. It only makes sense to move forward and continue using the payload now that we have access to patch lv3 "live"

Hermes' source is on evilsperms' [notranslate]GIT[/notranslate]: https://github.com/evilsperm/hermes

Thanks!