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Using a NAS ( Media Player ) as an External Drive
Using a NAS ( Media Player ) as an External Drive –
Can i ask, would it be possible do you think to use a NAS 1TB drive ( formatted in FAT32 ) as an external drive for the PS3? Aswell as a NAS its a networked Media Player, and i was thinking i could use it to play my avi's etc to my TV ( via the Media Player ), but connect it to the PS3 via USB?
Does anyone think that might be possible? Does the PS3 format the external USB drive when its first connected?
NAS: Network Access Storage
What you're describing isn't a NAS, most NAS uses Linux file format.
The thing is that depending on the NAS, there's a option usually called Twonky Media server that you set up to allow the ip address in your network to access your media files.
The PS3 can access your media by doing this as I have a QNAP 209 Pro NAS unit and other media receiver that is UPnP enabled.
Now for accessing your games however, it's not possible unless a game manager can mount and locate files through the network. Once that is accomplished then you don't have to worry about Fat32 limitation but you may have to worry about the speed of the network (I have a gigabit network so I'm covered).
Until someone actually implements a network mounting (right now like some manager can act like reverse FTP but looses connection after you exit the manager), it's not possible at the moment.
However your media should work through NAS as long as the PS3 supports those codecs. Unless you got one of those gimped NAS unit that requires each computer to install a client or a Router that makes the external hard drive act like a pusdo NAS unit (some will work as it'll use UPnP but usually it's very unstable after a week and you have to reset the router or worse do a factory default) then those are not a true NAS.
My Nas does have a USB input but that only allows the people in my network to access whatever usb I added. I guess I could put a USB to USB cable (Female - Female usb Connection) but most likely the PS3 will not be able to figure out what file format it is and stay blank.
No I will not try it don't bother asking, I don't want to risk loosing my data. Plus the PS3 only sees Fat32 file format, and many have tried putting Linux file format on a external caddy as a external and nothing shows up.
Thanks alot for your detailed reply.
I guess my question was more a case of, can i use the NAS's 1TB FAT32 HDD as a means of backing up my PS3 games, via the USB cable ( not the network ). Could my avi's co-exsist with my PS3 backups?
When you connect an external drive via USB, does that drive need to be formatted by the PS3?
As long the file system of your external hard drive hasn't changed then yes it would work.
Originally Posted by bandsareme
Assuming you actually know that the hard drive in your NAS is fat32 format, not ExtFat32 but I highly doubt it as I never seen a true NAS use fat32. I do know that NAS USB input can access fat32 format but the main HDD of the NAS itself isn't FAT32 but EXT(1/2/3/4) format.
The games however will still be limited (and other media files) to 4GB (one file can't be over 4GB).
Your media still have to have the folders MOVIE MUSIC PHOTO though for the PS3 to recognize it if you're doing it through the USB.
The only way to find out is hooking it to the usb port on your PS3 but if you see nothing showing up (even if you press triangle button and show all) under usb then the file format isn't fat32 but I highly suggest backing up your important files just incase.
In my opinion your better off just buying a dedicated external hard drive.
Just curious as what NAS you have since nowhere in your asking for help even mention what you have.
I'm not a mind reader and that's #1 thing that pisses me off (and possibly others) when people asking for help.
I mean look at it from the reverse point of view, if someone ask for help and being vague about the details (even though some formats are standard some are not) so in the future please include what exactly you have so I or other members don't have to guess.
I however was not guessing but they're is so many different kinds of NAS and not every single one are standard (like some uses clients,ect even though it's sold as a NAS it's not a true NAS) so I have to use bare minimum judgment so even I could be wrong since I don't know what you have,ect.
Your question is like when someone is wondering why someone who have similar PC specs but one person who runs the same game runs crappy, while the other person runs it just fine. Then you find out latter in the post that the person who runs it just fine only run their game at 1280x1024 resolution (or 16:9 equiv of a low res) since that's all they have for a monitor and the other person is running it at 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 resolution.
Even if this was implemented the overhead and latency would KILL load times. With a 100mb link the sustained throughput of reading a single file straight through can theoretically outperform some laptop drives but with random access (loading a game) the system would be excruciatingly slow.
Now if there was a way to store all the games on the NAS, and only have a couple on the internal drive then being able to automatically copy one over when you want to play (should only take 5-20 minutes to copy) could be an idea
That's why I stated a gigabit network wouldn't have that issue. But the NAS must also have Gigbit ethernet.
Originally Posted by braschlosan
Regardless even a 100MB network still transfer roughly the same as using external HDD on a USB 2.0 (although I think it's slightly faster over network).
The internal PS3 HDD still access and read faster than a external hard drive FYI.
My apologies it was never my intention to "piss you off ", far from it.
I am looking at buying a " LACIE LaCinema Classic HD Media Player Hard Drive - 1TB ", and i just thought seeing as i would have it next to my PS3, why couldn't i connect it to the PS3 via USB ( NOT NETWORK ), to use as a media player via my TV ( NOT PS3 ), and use it as an external drive to backup my PS3 games ( basically making use of the 1tb drive - assuming its fat32
Ok I know you weren't trying to piss me off. I'm just saying that people just don't think before they post for help.
Originally Posted by bandsareme
With that information that you gave could have lessen the post for giving you the answer you wanted instead of inquiring after inquiring.
Now the NAS your thinking about to get... well it's not a NAS but a dedicated media center box. It will however let you network your media from that to other UPnP devices (along with letting you use that box by itself).
It does have samba support for networking so it's like a cheap mans NAS that does the basic of basic for networking file sharing (no security what so ever IMO).
I see that it accepts multiple file formats but acting as a external hard drive (edit).. ok it does act like a external HDD but I don't know if you have to go in a sub menu to have it act like it or it just automatically does it however that's what the company claims and sometimes they're a but to it where it has the function but it's a pain in the ass to use it).
So basically this is like a corporate version of a XBMC box. FYI though, most of the media center box like these sucks for subtitles (SRT and MKV) as it's just generic and some don't allow color change on the words and the fonts that you usually see on a Fansub anime on PC will not look anything like it on most media boxes.
So yes it does act like a external HDD and it will work (as long the usb part forces to become a external hard drive like they claim).
If you do end up getting this, it will allow you to stream videos from this device to your PS3 but it will not encode videos/audio that isn't supported. However unless you're really needing a media center box, I wouldn't bother getting this and just end up getting a external HDD with fan instead.
The reviews on this isn't very good for all sorts of reasons. That's why I never got these media boxes (I've tried several of them and all of them have some sort of flaws and for me it's the subtitles [location/readability] or codec not supported) and since with the PS3 being JB, I rather wait for a XBMC to be ported.
Other than as already mentioned, transfering each game to an internal\external usb drive for each game being played - THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN DUE TO LATENCY.
There's nothing else to say, simply not possible...100mbit\Gbit\whatever - the latency is too high.
Sure.... then why do I have no problems running my installed PC games through my gigabit network through my NAS (which also has gigabit ethernet and PS3 also have gigabit ethernet) then besides the slight pause if the NAS hard drive has to spin up.
Originally Posted by robo989
If you're using the experience from PS2 games over network then that's not a valid reason the PS2 doesn't have a gigabit ethernet port and honestly I don't think they even enabled the 100mb speed. Heck even the Gamecube network adapter is capped off at 10mb even though it's a 10/100mb ethernet adapter.
Plus the mounting of a file over a network doesn't have to copy all the files as it's just streamed over the network.