Sony vs Microsoft Tactics

[zipeee]

Here's the one thing I don't get.

Microsoft keeps it real simple. There are two types of hacks on Xbox 360--Ixtreme DVD firmware and JTAG. Ixtreme only allows piracy but not cheating. JTAG allows Piracy and cheating. Microsoft bans JTAG consoles within hours or minutes of them attempting to go online. Ixtreme they do in waves once a year, typically.

In any event, no matter which method you do, Microsoft just bans, where you violated their network TOS. They say there is no recourse. Have a nice day. They don't seem to whine or complain about it. They even originally crippled some of the features (e.g. couldn't install games on HDD on banned consoles, then they decided to losen up). The only time I've seen them ban gamertags was if they were doing some weird exploits or playing games before the game release date. Otherwise, they only ban the console. I've never seen Microsoft get all sue happy about hackers etc. Quite frankly, their methods seem quite "adult". I even remember their positive attitude for the guy who cracked WP7.

Meanwhile, Sony just seems to be crying like a little immature child--they go suing after some broke kid, Geohot, etc. They send e-mail threats. They send online threats--more TOS, etc. The banhammer hasn't really hit yet--although everyone says it's coming. They whine, they complain. Grow the *** up already! If you're pissed, just follow Microsoft's example.

Microsoft just seems to have more class.

[msr]

How do you know what microsoft do?

They have research centers and you never hear what they do there. They are far worse than sony. These companies do what they want and all of them have security teams. Do you think these people are paid for fun, no.

Ms are as bad as any organisation out there, just that sony are up front about it.

[zipeee]

How do you know what microsoft do?

They have research centers and you never hear what they do there. They are far worse than sony. These companies do what they want and all of them have security teams. Do you think these people are paid for fun, no.

Ms are as bad as any organisation out there, just that sony are up front about it.

I'm talking about end-user image. You're talking about theoretical hidden things. Nor have I ever seen Microsoft sue an Xbox hacker

See http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/...-jailbreakers/ as an example

[JEB101]

It's quite simple.. Microsoft made an entire authentication infrastructure with xbox live. The 360 is hand and hand with XBL, system checks, and whatever else has been in place since the start.

Sony with their PSN, has pretty much no back end infrastructure for this type of stuff.. They were never setup for system checks. I've said it before and it seems to be right, they put all their chips on the PS3 itself, it's so secure, so safe, so.. Hacked.. Now we have 60 million of these uber "secure" boxes that are now open.

They are using the only tactic they can to stop hackers, following nicely with the american model of "War of Terror". Scare the people into updating to an non exploitable version since they can't stop us permanently (if the info released lately is accurate..) and will be a cat and mouse game until they upgrade their back end and update the PS3 with encrypted communications..

Just my 2c..

[szlifier]

[lang=pl]Compare $ony and Apple vs. Geohot.[/lang]

[danguy2009]

Nor have I ever seen Microsoft sue an Xbox hacker

Yeah, compare Sony and Geohot to Microsoft and Tmpbnc (I think thats his Username anyway) It's the guy that went to MS showing them he could put linux on the Xbox. The Jtag hack.

I didnt hear about any Lawsuits over that lol. just a quiet system update and get on with it.

[dvdxploitr]

Funny thing is, look at the Wii…system 4.3 came out and that didn't stop hackers, Nintendo just stopped trying to stop hackers and kept making games….HOWEVER, the DSi and DSi XL won't work with the AceKard and M3 from the DS/DSLite…it seems like when Nintendo hacks are stopped, they are stopped by a HARDWARE update…but it doesn't always last too long…they tried stopping hackers on some games (i think it was a final fantasy game actually) that would stop playing after 30 minutes or something and that didn't work out. Do you see Nintendo sales hurting?? NOPE…In fact even this last December…the Wii sold 2.6million vs 2.5million for Xbox360 and PS3 being last at 1.2Million….Nintendo was in the lead, even without a good port of Call of Duty BlackOps (yes, I had it…it SUCKED), no Fable, No God of War, Gears of War, KillZone, Grand Turismo or Forza……Nintendo is not going anywhere….there are talks of a new system and the 3DS is coming out…Nintendo is actually dominating in both console & hand-held market in sales. Maybe Sony is actually just scared…their PS3 system has had poor sales in comparison to the Xbox360 and Wii! Really, look at what i stated earlier in this post, 1.2M sales in Dec. 2010! That is less than half the Xbox360 and Wii sales!

Sony needs to stop blaming hackers for their System sales being so low….it was low the 3 1/2 years before the hack came out…in fact, I think the hack probably generated about 25-33% of their sales in the past 5 months or so! So many people buying 2nd systems and even 3rd and/or 4th systems! I know people that bought the PS3 in 2006 when it was $600 (USD) because it was cheaper than most Blu-Ray players and had no desire to even play video games! There are people that bought a PS3 because you can stream Hulu, NetFlix and other content w/o having to pay an additional fee for online use (unlike Xbox Live)….Something tells me, if PS3 didn't have Blu-Ray to its advantage, it would be suffering MUCH worse in sales than it currently is



(No, I do not hate the PS3 or anything like that…I am just stating my opinion based on true figures of sales….but I do hate the way Sony is going about these people on CFW…its not like its the first Sony system to get hacked!)

[Shadow Pyro]

R4 devices are illegal in Japan and in various countries, but since there are so many distributors and clones around the world it is impossible to sue them all. Nintendo also doesn't have a centralised online service like Xbox Live and PSN so they can't mass enforce Wii bans, and they can only resort to periodical firmware updates to stop the hacks.

If Nintendo had a centralised service like Microsoft and Sony, they would probably be doing the same thing.

[saif1311]

The thing i like about Sony is they gave us people who enjoy PSN the chance to remove the jailbreaks and go legit.

With microsoft you dont ever get a alert you just wake up one morning....
You have been banned from xbox live.
Sadly that morning for me was my birthday in nov 09 LOL but i got 2 consoles now 1 legit 1 modded LT+

[Atobe]

The thing i like about Sony is they gave us people who enjoy PSN the chance to remove the jailbreaks and go legit.

With microsoft you dont ever get a alert you just wake up one morning....
You have been banned from xbox live.
Sadly that morning for me was my birthday in nov 09 LOL but i got 2 consoles now 1 legit 1 modded LT+

Giving people warning that they could be banned down the road if they don't go legit is somehow not classy but instead a "threat" to users. They should have been classy like MS and just banned the million plus accounts without saying a word.

Speaking of Nintendo, was it not Nintendo that took some broke Australian guy to court over a Mario game and won over 1 mil in a lawsuit? Really classy. If Sony did that people would be acting screaming to hide the wives and hide the children because big bad Sony is coming to your house.