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Question regarding LEGALITY of Sony accessing your PS3 Data
Question regarding LEGALITY of Sony accessing your PS3 Data –
With the onset of the dirty PSN hack I'm sure many people are wondering if it's detectable. Now I say dirty PSN hack because, as far as I know, there is absolutely no "stealthing" (to borrow a 360 scene term) going on. The 360's hack lies within the DVD drive firmware which is accessible to MS on system updates, however the PS3 hack is external and the proof lies within your Game folder and all the completely bogus TITLEIDs.
Let me get to my point: a simple scan of the Game directory by Sony will tell them if hacked games are on the drive. Math has already stated that the PSN "fix" was done in a way that should be rather detectable by Sony as well. My question is is it legal for Sony to scan a HDD's contents? Of course if you don't sign into PSN they can't, but does the TOS agreement for PSN allow them to do so? And if they can, do they have the right to scan everywhere?
My thought was that say my thing was to take hundreds of pictures of my girlfriend completely naked and then store them on my PS3, or say I took videos and stored them on my PS3, wouldn't it be an invasion of my privacy to look through my photos and videos? Like Microsoft can scan my Windows to see if it's legit, but they don't have the right to scan my My Documents folder to see if i'm storing a pirated copy of Office.
Get where I'm going with this? If we're going to take steps to go on PSN, tricking Sony into thinking we are using the latest firmwares and not backups, wouldn't it be a better idea to put homebrew and the like in a folder Sony shouldn't have the right to view, such as Photos or Videos? Of course keeping games on an external drive would be the best route, but that isn't really an option for homebrew right? Anybody have any thoughts on this? PSN access is great, but the Holy Grail is PSN access that's safe.
All MS needed to do to check for hacked 360's is scan the DVD firmware but there was nothing in place that allowed them to do that remotely (at least not for awhile). They only did it during dashboard updates.
Originally Posted by JonahUK
Now back to Sony: all they would need to do is scan the running OS for memory patches or whatever, but is that possible at this point? Do they have that functionality put in place? And say they did, or they developed some way to do it, again when would they do it? Every time you sign into PSN? Wouldn't that take awhile to do every single time you logged into PSN? And how about spoofing the response so you just send the "All Clear" without letting the check complete? Does it happen for during system updates? We don't run the system updates, so no scan.
As far as I know, it isn't common knowledge exactly what Sony has in place to check for things of this nature, nor is anyone sure of what they can actually do.
Was your comment on scanning my so-called "Private" folders for filetypes based on something in the TOS or was that speculation? Does their TOS grant complete access to everything on my PS3 if I connect to PSN? Either way, i'm trying to get some brainstorming going on for when (and is there any doubt that they will try something to circumvent our hacks) the banhammer comes down.
Personally, i'm not signing into PSN until people get banned or Sony shows their hand.
I stopped caring about the PSP scene right around the time the new model PSP came out (not the PSPGo). Anybody familiar with the PSP scene care to share an opinion based on how Sony approached PSP PSN banning? I seem to recall I read they straight banned the MAC addresses of the PSP's (which were then spoofed). I figure that's the best information we have to go on how Sony might approach this, because clearly firmware updates aren't enough to halt the problem.
I own a few psp so I know what you mean there. But at least them I got cheap so I could have my homebrew etc on one and the other for legit.
I also own a wii and love how that all works. You can have homebrew etc and be connected to internet.
The wii is beautiful in that sense.
I don't own an Xbox,but I do know that Microsoft can't just scan my pc, unless I allow it, so I don't think it would be legal for Sony to be able to do that to the PS3
I have connected to PSN over the last few days and no issues here as yet. I would think if they were going to do something, they would have done it already.
I am currently using the spoof 3.50 PL3 payload. I would think if you can spoof the firmware then you can spoof what Sony sees.
Originally Posted by SenorPickle
Lmao holy grail
but dude it's sony man. their the devil
PS3 Phat with 500GB
1 TB External
AVRKEY (ATMEGA32U2) - 32KB Onboard Flash Memory
Future List -
- PS3 Move Set
Thank you Geohot and fail0verfl0w for fully hacking the PS3.
I was looking for someone familiar with the TOS. I'm perfectly capable of reading it but i thought someone familar with legal-ese would be able to provide more insight.
Originally Posted by Fresc
It seems like how things went down, Sony rushed out the 3.42 update to temporarily block the hack through disabling USB. Then the focus of the 3.50 update was move support, right? So as a previous poster mentioned, if they could do something already they would have. That could be the case but really Sony needs a definitive way to ban people without banning any false positives. Did PSP bans occur during PSN signon or was it durin system updates or what?