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#1. Lying to your customers is wrong. You must always tell your customer what you are installing.
#2. I don't care what anyone installs, DMS, Matrix, Clone, etc. If they install a matrix when they said they're putting in a DMS it's JUST AS BAD as installing a clone.
#3. Clones aren't crap if you only want to boot DVD-5 and CD games. With all the clones I've used over the past couple of years I've never, ever, ever had a single problem when it comes to booting these that wasn't related to a laser issue. NOT. EVEN. ONE.
#4. If customers don't mind applying patches to some games to save $50, that's their option. Quite honestly, for the few games that need to be patched (DVD-9, etc) I'd save the $50 too. That's why my console runs an ICE chip...
#5. In my experience about 5% of customers can actually install chips properly. I've had people here that have shown me DEGREES in ELECTRONICS ENGINEERING that say "Oh yeah, I'm sure I'm part of that 5%" when they buy the chip to put it in themselves. Two weeks later "Uhhh... yeah... I sorta broke the PS2 installing the chip. Can you fix it?" Keep in mind I've had this happen on non-clone and clone chips.
#6. I have installed more than 1000 clone chips. ONE THOUSAND. Out of ONE THOUSAND clone chips I've had probably about 2 that had manufacturing defects. Some of them don't work as advertised to me by the distributors -- that's why I test the batch out myself before I sell them to customers, to be sure that the only defect the customer can see is the 1/500 chips dead from manufacturing defects. That's a better quality rate than the PS2 itself, from my experience, actually...
Case in point: I got "burned" with some NH7s. Supposed to work in V5s as well, but because I tested them before selling them, I found out they'll only be good in V7s. In V7s, they worked perfectly, but didn't support imports. So, I let the customer know: If you have a V7, and don't care about imports, and just want to boot simple backups, you can get your mod done very cheap with the NH7. EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER was satisfied because I told them the truth.
#7. The market price was incredibly high before clones. Any of you recall Messiah chips being the only non-swap chips out there years ago? They were as high as $160 in the US at one point just for the chip (I should know, I have the invoice for one I bought...) As soon as there was competition from things like the Magic chips, *BAM* the price fell to a "cheap" $100. And then the clones come out, and again, the price comes down.
#8. Some "original" chips were so friggin' ridiculously crappy that I quit installing them and still won't. Case in point: DMS 3. I am NOT going to start getting twisted pair wire to install that stupid chip. Total crap. Of course, I haven't installed any DMS since then, so maybe they've fixed it. But unlike clone distributors that disappear in a few weeks when they sell nothing but garbage, DMS lives on to make crap like the DMS 4 EZi. The nice thing is if I come across clone chips that absolutely suck, I'm out a few hundred bucks and can just throw them away (or, if I'm lucky and they're ICE clones, upgrade them). If I had bought 500 DMS 3s, well, I'd be out of business today.
Like I said its in vain to make clone lovers wake up and thats not my objective here. Hopefully some poor noob will realize that clones just arent worth it when reading posts like this.
Originally Posted by shepd
the clone has its reason being existed. if the originals have the reasonable price tags who would care the clones !
actually some properly cloned chips are not too bad at all such as H2O, Duo2, Duo2SE, messiah750... being an installer, i know matrix infinity, dms4 pro, crystal chip have superb quality and functionality, but most of my customers don't understand and wouldn't care. all they wanted is to be able to play back up games. honestly, if i stock all these high end chips, i might have gone out of business. i install matrix infinity too if my customer requested. i love the MI.
I love it when the clone lovers attempt to use this excuse to justify low quality clones. Like the MI is SOOOO expensive lol.
Originally Posted by wmb88
If you cant afford an MI then you most likely shouldnt be playing video games to begin with ... it gets funnier and funnier every post. Keep it coming clone lovers.
Last edited by spedmetal; 03-19-2006 at 01:12 AM.
it's not so funny because it's up to the customers. some of them don't want to pay that much for a high end chip. you can't expect everyone driving bmw, that's why the hyunday still has its market.
This is even better! Ok lets try and understand you analogy here. So the Hyundai is the modbo clones and the MI is the BMW .. ok got it. So then the modbo could be justified as a Hyundai that some one took to the chop shop after being stolen and had a BMW body chopped onto it half-assed and sold as "well its just as good and a BMW" ... gotcha!
Originally Posted by wmb88
Well in reality the Hyundai is not marketed as a luxury vehicle and as far as I know has not stolen anything from BMW so your analogy is poor at best, but I get your idea.
Also we are only talking a few dollars difference here between the MI and the clones. not 10s of thousands between the Hyundai and the BMW
Last edited by spedmetal; 03-19-2006 at 01:48 AM.
i know the clone MI is only around $8 and also i know how much is the real MI cost. telling people you installed a real MI but it's not is a different story. don't judge someone uses clone who must be not honest. please read my post carefully as i don't see you quite get my point. there are high end chips and there is low end chips simple is that. as long as there is market, clones will exist. i know you install real chips so you hate clone users. as i said there is reason for the clone being existed, you can't just deny this just like you never could 'wake up clone lovers' no matter what you do.
we all know MI is a superb chip, if the price was reasonable marked, the clones would have just vanished by itself without any of your effort. i'm talking about why the clone existed from begining. it does not men clones must be loved. another fact is: some clones are not actually bad or else who dares to use it.
ive seen it time and time again.. mi cloners tell the customer they are installing a $40-$50 chip when they are really installing a $10 chip and making money. I wish cloners wouldnt visit this forum, all they do is advertise for free and never contribute to the scene.
Well Nemtech, I'm not going to argue against the idea that false representation of products is wrong! It is! Hell, it's even illegal!
But honest clone installers do exist. I'm one of them. I even write (most of the time, sometimes I forget... I'm not perfect!) the name of the chip on the warranty sticker we put on the console. My customers are always satisfied because they know the truth from day one.
Nemtech, I don't know if you mean cloners that rip people off, or honest cloners when it comes to not visiting the forum, but I contribute what I can. It isn't much, but I'm not that much of a pro... I can do a good install and some repairs, though. And.... I don't advertise. I think you'd have to work somewhat hard to find out the company I run. :-)
That all being said, I've not installed a modbo for a long time. When I learned about the problems with the original chips, I said forget about it. It's not worth it if the customer can blow up the chip with only 3 or 4 button presses. Most of the stuff I've used are ICE/Magic based chips...