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nonen666: he he he... You made me laugh.. that thread is talking about nothing but about a lot of thoughts...
Oh, LA problem. Sure, if I remove it and replace it with a new one, why the hell does the board not work again ?!?! I will send you the board, do me a favour, replace the LA, and I will give you one million dollar if the result is a GOOD and WORKING board.
Higher voltages ?? With QUALITY media ??? Charlie stated that QUALITY media had almost no voltage difference compared to originals... Then why the hell could that do any harm ? (no question about low quality media, which I always refuse to use)Many people meassured the temerature and voltage of the LA, and bad quality originals have never caused any problem, no matter how bad quality those disks were... There were no voltage peaks. Also as said, the machines worked, was turned OFF, next day turned ON, and what ? Yeah, those were DEAD. Without any disk INSERTED, without any read, without any "long" time reading which could cause the "overheating" and so on... Those machines died at the powering ON, OR as one time Entity said at MODE change, which has NOTHING to do with the LA, but has a lot to do with the code in the mod...
And if you think the V10 will solve the problem, then why do you state that it uses the SAME LA so the same problem will happen... Then you all are on the wrong way, beliving that a model change will solve the problem, when you are sure the LA is the problem, which is the SAME on the V10 aswell. So what is the problem then ? LA ? Let it be. Then I wish you a happy new year with the so "loved" V10... And with its LA. Sure the MXL will cure the "bad" LA problem, right ???
pS: I'd be very happy if the problem ALWAYS were the LA. That would end up in a QUICK fix. But many of us have a bad thought about blaming this all on the LA only... Of course in cases the LA may be the problem, but in others it is simply unbeliveable.
ok uns97...I'm a person who listens and I want to know what is your opinion on this. Why does it has to do with the code? Do you know what exactly do a modchip to bypass the security on the ps2? (it would be very helpful). And I've read that a lot of people who replased the LA6508 fixed the problem and they say it does the job in most of the cases. And are you sure that charlie said that it doesn't make any differnce between originals and backup about the voltage peaks? I remember the opposite.. maybe I'll search it.
And remember, we are all in the same team.
I received 2 dead V9 PS2 UNMODDED in the last 20 days...
Both of them with the same symptoms.
I got them changed under guarantee from sony assistance and I got back new V10 instead.
How do you explain these 2 unmodded dead V9??
Sorry pal, I find your theory very weak and not supported by the general reality of the situation.
I belive we should stick to the facts and try to find the technical solutions/reason to the dead V9 problem.
By the way, I didn't really understand what is your suggestions to avoid to have problems with V9.
Well, there have been some discussions about how a modchip works. Unfortunatelly some developers are now in trouble (sad but that is why no Charlie or other developpers appear on this forum these days for example...) who added some technical data how mod chip can cause damage to the PS2. (no, not to the V9 only) There were problems which were proven to be solved by an eeprom change on older models. All those problems were caused at the first powering on. (and with the mod inside) Some talanted guys replaced a lot of compontents on the board with NO luck. That time there was the BA and not the LA. The problem seemed the same as now with the LA. Replaced 4 NEW BA's on those boards and none helped. Now as the same happens with the new board, and there are people who reported succesfully reparation of the V9 board with the change of the LA. Ok, they probably had the LA burnt, using bad quality disks. No question, todays low quality DVD-R (DVD+R) disks can cause a lot of troubles and not only with the PS2. But, as I said, I personally have had 4 dead V9 that had nothing to do with low quality DVD-Rs nor overheating. As said, they were powered off, next day powered ON, and yes they were dead. This is not a syndrome of overheating or so as there was NO disk inside. Charlie wrote this:
"DVD-R GAME RITEK PAL
DVD-R GAME MEMOREX PAL
This corresponds with the fourth graphing illustration
This showed a constant voltage in the range +½ to -½ volt swing range, a total swing of 1v, but showing regular spikes to +1v and -1v, say every second or so. Otherwise behaving as per DVD game original."
As most of us got it, the LA isn't that much affected by the QUALITY media. I don't include the part of his test about Princo or other low quality media, yes, he found that those may cause problems. Which I agree. But in my case and many other cases there were NO bad quality disks. And I am sure if I removed the "broken LA" from a broken motherboard and resolderd that to a working board, the working board would work fine with the "broken LA" aswell... Anyway, as said, I'd be very very happy if the final solution would be a quick LA swap. But as it was said a few times (not only by me) there are a lot of cases when the change of the LA did NOT save the board... Unfortunatelly.
And, yes we are in the same team, that's no question.
Chip&Chop: any version of the PS2 can break down. V9 or V10, V7 no matter which one you choose. But I am sure when the LA is blamed because of the problem, and the SAME LA is on the V10, then please tell me why it won't burn in a V10 and why it will in a V9 ??? That's a hard question, isn't it ?
You got V10 because now it's on sale. That's a simple answer. Most shops now sell the V10, and not the V9, so any PS2 with warranty problem will be repaced to a V10, no matter if the V10 is better or not than the V9... You'll get a V10, as now it's on sale. If you have a broken V3 and will be replaced under warranty you won't get a V3, but a V10, as they can give that to you nothing else. You did not mention that the machines were REPAIRED or REPLACED.
I have NO (and have NEVER had any) suggestion how to avoid to have problems with the V9. Never said so. I read on the gamefreax website, about claims that someone KNOWS it. I never said that it is 100 percent true, it has never been proven (yet). But who else could check what's going on than the mod developers ??? For the money you and me are paying for testing their mods, I just wished they do some research in this... I was WRONG. I heave heard/read things about "perfect mods, no harm, mods cant kill machines"... On ONE site. (guess on which one ?) And read "why you should NOT use 5V mods" on ANOTHER... Which one should I and other people belive in then ???
This is not theory, this is something deeper. I want to know how I should look at some products, - may that be a PS2 or a mod - which I PAY for and when something is wrong I get zero support. Only some claims from Sony that it's not their fault, and even MORE claims from the mod developers that it's not theirs... Then what should I blame then ? Yes, in a few cases there are installation errors, I agree. And I accept that, but now it seems we forgot how to solder as there were no such problems with the older machines...
pS: this is anyway totally off-topic. Just wanted to mention that, no matter how good a mod looks for the first time, let's not judge about it in some weeks. Look how the M2 (and its team) ended up.
I never saw an unmodded V7 dead after less than 1 month of use. As a matter of facts I never saw an unmodded V7 suffering from the "sudden death" problem.
Also be sure that here when you where bringing a dead V3 (or V7) for replacement, sony was giving you back the same PS2 with a new V3 (or V7) motherboard.
But these two V9 they REPLACED them with brand new V10 PS2.
Also on the Italian boards we have many reports of unmodded PS2 that died in the last month and half and all of them replaced with V10 PS2 from sony centers.
I belive sony is not a charity organization, so there must be a reason if they give you a new V10 model PS2 when they can more easily replace the broken motherboard with a new V9 motherboard.
I also went to read the claims of gamefreax (as you keep mentioning it), but I saw no explanations there, just a lot of words.
Honestly I do not care too much about the words of commercial people or modchip producers. I prefer to base my choices on my experience and the experience of my other collegues.
For this reason I would like you to answer to my questions:
1) How do you explain these dead unmodded V9 if (like you say) the V9 death depends on the modchip and not on the V9?
2) Why only the V9 suffer from this "sudden death" problem?
I keep modding also V3-V8 but NEVER had a problem like the one happening on the V9.
I am not pushing you to give me a reply, I just want to understand how you fit these two points inside your theory that the V9 death is only a modchip related problem.
P.S.: All the V10 I did until now are working great.
Another point, I belive that the story of the quality of the M2 and his team is a little bit too much complicated to reduce it in two lines like you did
Chip&Chop: you missunderstand me. I did not say that the V9 problem is only a modchip related problem. Never said that. I rather said that modchip developers have access to such devices which can be used to determine what's going on. Secondly, I don't say that it's just a V9 problem, well, there are reports here about BROKEN V10s aswell.. Not that many, but there are. And Matrix Team changed its code for V10 support. Why is that so hard to imagine that they changed the code aswell, and luckily this changed code is MORE safe ???
Sony: Sony sure isn't a charity, never was. I was told by Sony that
(and it can be proven by invoices + faxes) they REPLACE the whole board without repairing it. (I marked one dead board and got a NEW one)
The older versions dead problem: Also Entity + Temrinator said they had broken V7 PS2s with this type of problem. I had 4 back in 2003. I ALWAYS offered them for anyone who was willing to try to reapir them. Up till now, only ONE people tried to do it. With NO luck. The BA swap did not help. Neither the change of the laser. By the way the lasers work fine in another machine.
Claims from mod developers: as said million times before I have never checked these facts by myself. I have never been able to do so. I simply MARK a fact that there are some roumors here and there. I don't wanna fight for something that is useless...
pS: anyway my experience is also based on my own ones and on those peoples' who did a lot in the PS2 repair bussiness (and not in the chip selling/reselling bussines. You know, to sell a chip and installing it is one thing, but when something goes wrong and you have to repair it, that's something totally different). I rather belive in people like Entity/Charlie/Terminator and many more than in commercial MOD sellers/resellers AND in Sony's own tales.
I do not belive that modchip developer have access to such devices to enable them to control and check every aspect of the functioning of a PS2.
I am still convinced that this is a problem coming from sony design or low quality of components.
Anyhow, some guys on a Spanish board is posting some suggestions about a condenser being the cause for some of teh dead V9, maybe it is worth trying it:
Unfortunatelly I don't speak Spanish. But reports on several (especially German) boards stated that changing that component does not help. Anyway, we agree on that the quality of the M2 and others are MUCH complicated than we could discuss it in 2, or even 2000 lines. Anyway, if the developers don't have access to those devices (I am sure they have anyway) why don't they invest in any to prove their products are safe. Jump to the Hypper web page and read what they think about 5V chips for example. Remember, nobody said how dangerous a M3 can be, and now suddenly this page starts talking about it. Why do developers claim then, if half of these things were NOT true. (I don't say that Hypper web site is totally correct, but why do they write things like that then ???) Aren't they intented to clear these things ? Why isn't there a page, where the other side could prove that it's NOT true, and V5 chips are safe. (it's just an example of course...) I am sure as it's a dirty bussines, unfortunatelly end users are in trouble in the end, as WE have to select what sounds OK and what sounds bullshit. I repeat, may you be right, I'd be happy with the LA problem and bad quality components. That would end as V10 spreading, but as I read quite a lot here and reports about dead V10s started popping up... I am not sure.