Tyranny of the Scene - tthousand's tthoughts

Published on 04-25-2012 12:08 AM

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Many great things can happen when people come together. When you are talking about the PS3 scene, you will notice that major advancements always seem to come from teams of individuals. Through the hard work of these indivduals, we have seen the reversing of the original JB dongle and even the introduction of 3.55 CFW. More recently we have seen the great efforts of CrashSerious (in our contest here at PSX-SCENE), and their tools that will hopefully one day bring forth more advancements and understanding to the PS3. You also need to look no further then our forums to see the incredible progress being made by the official MK9 and GTA IV mod teams.

PSX-SCENE is on a mission to make this the best possible environment for developers. We are leading the way in promoting uncensored developer opinions and projects on our front pages. We continue to set the bar by introducing a no-bashing policy, with zero tolerance on developer bashing. We promote scene development with our monthly contest, and provide developers with their own private subsection to further explore.

Right now, we moderators are a team of few, who represent us all. We want to bring you the best, because we all want the best for ourselves and our friends. We are always listening to you, and trying to give you nothing but the best feedback. We all consider it an honor to be a part of something as major as the PS3-Scene, and what it will inevitably become. We are here to enforce the peace, as well as promote a healthy and stimulating community.

But there are those that would rather add fuel to fires, and fans to flames. Since the birth(3.41) and re-birth(3.55) of the PS3 Scene, many people have traveled trough either looking for help and support, or looking to cause trouble for others. People have no right to make other people unhappy, just to satisfy their own corruptions. It is almost as if everyone feels entitled to call themselves elites, and actually believe that they have any room to speak on behalf of others. It can all become a viscous cycle of lies, where the better trickster remains ever in the lead. We have already seen it before in this still infantile scene; once more, and it will be shame on us.

This is where we must take our stand. We must put down our fingers, and say enough is enough. This is a support forum, and there is no need for bickering among ourselves. So we have different views; well, welcome to the future and the Internet. Since the beginning of free CFW, millions of questions have been asked about what is the next free thing. Not only that, but others even feel the need to go father and slander good peoples names because they are not helping them get more free stuff. People need to just slow down and be thankful for what they have. It is no ones' responsibility to take care of you, except yourself.

We are all free to feel what we want, and as our moderators it is our duty to make sure that everyone feels comfortable discussing their thoughts. Yes, disagreements can happen; and occasionally constructive criticism that helps others can occur, too. As long as the conversation remains open and constructive, then there is a chance for progression; if however the opposite where to happen, progress would come to a halt in any situation. For this scene to grow, we need to offer room for growth and change.

Basically, if we feel you are bad for the scene (a hindrance of progress), we are going to let you know. If you got a problem with the site, let us know in our Site/Suggestion subsection. We are here because of you, and we are representing all of you here at PSX-SCENE. We want nothing more than to make this the most productive environment it can possibly be.

Bottom line... do not bash developers/others/noobs/unknown. Sony on the other hand; say what you want to say, and seek support or seek the door. The chaos ends!

We are not trying to take your voice away, and PSX-SCENE member/developer Jay-Jay(and, I) has put together some simple examples to follow.

Originally Posted by Jay-Jay

I think anyone can tell right away between constructive criticism vs. bashing. If not, let me show you a correct and incorrect way:

Incorrect way:
Your design sucks! I hate it!!! Stop releasing shitty apps!!

Correct way:
I think the GUI needs a slight improvement. There are some functions that are not working for me... (then you list them). Hopefully you can solve this. I look forward to the next revision.

And some more examples for when you are talking about a device team, such as a dongle producer...

Incorrect way:
- #$%&@ are losers, and so is anyone that supports them. I hate you stupid idiots!!!
- #$%&@ is better than anything else on the scene, everyone can just kiss it's ass.

Correct way:
- I do not support #$%&@, and I do not understand why other do... it makes me mad!!!
- I think #$%&@ is good and at least keeps people interested in the scene.

I would like the end this article with an insight from a friend and fellow collector of homebrew.

Originally Posted by STLcardsWS

Great things can come when we work together instead of against each other, rather than posting negative aspects of the scene. The scene needs to be a more inviting place. To do that, it starts at the smallest members in the scene. Members should respect others and help out fellow members. There is a real sour attitude over a piracy device. To progress the scene we need to think about homebrew. More homebrew, more developers, more developers looking at the ps3 more things will be known, more exploits found. The key to the ps3 is not the Keys for the scenes sake rather it is Homebrew Development. That is the KEY to unlocking the ps3 and making this a more inviting scene, everything else follows.

I would say we encourage a truthful and respectful debate, but we have a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to childish behavior. If you can conduct yourself like a respectful adult or well-mannered child. We will remove such. But we encourage open discussion and disagreements. As long as stays with in the rules and guidelines of the site... Its not hard just stay postive and less negativity.

We just want to say thank you to all of the wonderful members here; we are a proud TEAM of moderators, and we hope to support you in the future! ENJOY YOUR STAY!

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34 Comments

djluiluv - 04-25-2012, 12:45 AM
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*NOW THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!*

bitsbubba - 04-25-2012, 12:59 AM
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I'm upset you didn't use my favorite saying.

STLcardsWS - 04-25-2012, 01:05 AM
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I didn't expect to see that here, nice article...

LilGrim - 04-25-2012, 01:06 AM
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This is 100% Cool on all levels

bitsbubba - 04-25-2012, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by STLcardsWS

I didn't expect to see that here. Nice article !!

a great statement deserves recognition

tthousand - 04-25-2012, 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bitsbubba

I'm upset you didn't use my favorite saying.

It's been so long, the only one I can remember is, "I'm late..."

Originally Posted by STLcardsWS

I didn't expect to see that here, nice article...

Thanks again for your help. Communication via the Internet can be hard to tame

bitsbubba - 04-25-2012, 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tthousand

It's been so long, the only one I can remember is, "I'm late..."

actually it might fit better in the other thread "Opinion are like..."

tthousand - 04-25-2012, 03:01 AM
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Opinionated stinkers, those are the worst! Whatever happened to compromise and comparison? The two C's of Commune-eCation(TM). hmm, I wonder if I just thought of my million dollar idea

EDIT: Thought of what type of business C-eC would be. Could only picture scenarios where SkyNet wins. My bad guys

EDIT2: I have great plans for PSX-SCENE. I care about the developers and the scene, and want them to have a place they can feel comfortable.

If any of you guys think you want to be part of the PSX-SCENE process, just let me know. We got all types of operations we are running here... while everyone else wants to just wait around for something good to come. This ain't the field of dreams, but if we build a better place... they will come!

Shrek - 04-25-2012, 08:31 AM
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These speeches are becoming a little boring now.

Must be slow news day.

Mcleod - 04-25-2012, 08:34 AM
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Unfortunately there is always going to be some that think they are better and will say whatever, no matter how great the development has been. Even with this new vHBL for the vita, they did a great job keeping the game a secret, but there were still some /crying/spamming/bashing/farting/pukeing/eating/drinking this is fun. back to the subject, tthousand and many others like him have always kept us all informed on anything that’s new. So from the one's that do care we thank you! :-D

solo0891 - 04-25-2012, 09:07 AM
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Incorrect way:
Your design sucks! I hate it!!! Stop releasing shitty apps!!

Really , people dont have an idea what's behind a GUI . I have a degree in Information Systems and i know what's hidden behind a window of a program (lots of lines of code) . People think because it looks ugly its useless and thats not the case , however making a PS3 app to begin deserve my respect , because people that doesn't have the need to live coding for the PS3 make it as a hobby and they spend a lot of time learning to develop on the PS3 and become creatives to make those apps . I'm not a PS3 developer , I'm a mere mortal that code like normal people , then there are the gods like Deank , Waninkoko , Kakarotto that are mere Gods . My respects to all the people developing for the PS3 and for the staff of PSX-SCENE , Regards

P.D. Sorry for my English

josh1095 - 04-25-2012, 09:36 AM
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Bravo! Well stated. Buuuuuuuut, the scene is dead. Thats why theres all the infighting going on. quite obvious. I havent visited the forums in awhile but i couldnt imagine anything new(besides TB). It sucks, but oh well, i applaud those who continue to atleast try. In the meantime, i have a rgh slim thats getting some playtime

futuretime23 - 04-25-2012, 09:57 AM
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folks the scene aint dead,if the scene was dead,there would be no game mods,no multiman,no 3.55 cfw,not having 75% of the ps3 game playable,and not being able to use jb 3.41,if you count the scene as cfw side,then its stagnant,but if you count it as a whole,it still has some life,but just not what it used to be.

Goku1992 - 04-25-2012, 10:13 AM
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@ Josh1095

Well it depends the scene is dead in some ways without TB many people would of gave up by now. But that isnt the case newer games can be played but I really do seen your point.

2 years ago we had MANY people working on applications and things were booming in Sept 2010 but now things has fell off dramatically you do have the same old update but nothing new but for the majority of the people their main point was to play games so if you mean by you cant leech anymore without buying something to play newer games then yes the scene would be dead for you. I also have a flashed xbox360 so yes for gaming I am well just like you are BUT like Sherk said

it isnt @tthousands fault but there really isnt news how it was in 2010 anymore. Some people say that the scene is dead since TB isnt apart of the scene but ever since Sony started their suing spree, many devs have pulled out. But at the same time we already have what we need really. (Most) emulators can be played. We have alot of decent homebrew.

The problem with most people they only care about games. (Myself Included) But for homebrew, homebrew can never die because people can always make it work on 3.55 but the fact of the matter is that nobody is really interested in developing hombrew anymore. For like others stated many criticize their work like saying it sucks and blah blah blah. But people dont know alot of code is made to make the most weirdest looking homebrew.

But here are the RAW FACTS nobody would of cared if 2 years ago developers found a way to crack the ps3 just for homebrew many would of stayed on OFW the minute Sony patched it up. The FACT many people rushed to get the free games. At the end of the day

Games > Homebrew

I really hate to say that but those are the facts you really have those who are interested in 3rd party applications on the ps3 but the ps3 sole purpose is to play games which 9/10 times people are playing games on it than homebrew. PSP scene is a perfect example. Many people didnt hack their psp just to play homebrew and emulators dont be silly. Many did it for the free games just like why people jailbreak iphones not for homebrew but free apps

When you cant get the free games or the free apps anymore you will say that the scene is dead because you cant no longer leech off of the free game wagon anymore.

But TB exists so the PS3 can still play newer games. SOME devs still work on the ps3 but MOST devs left/got sued/ or game up.

darkshin0b1 - 04-25-2012, 12:16 PM
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Well said. Glad to see the voice of the unspoken few. Kudos to all. Long Live Innovation.

-Shin0b1

nativesith - 04-25-2012, 01:55 PM
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Well stated brother I agree with you one hundred percent.
I have seen progress in GTA IV modding. C++ script modders (like JDMAlex and 3socks)have made our forum one of the best and most innovative. Also notice my friends the MK9 mod team doing some mad mods( big up !). Even though we still here comments like "this scene is dead", these teams continue their addictions. Really believe Psx scene is has grown and encourages advancement. We have to advance past all the kiddie ISH like hatin and fighting. How could anyone with any type of CFW complain? I believe what we have is a amazing gift which should not be bashed. To all bashers/haters I ask... can you do any better(mods,CFW,Dongle patches etc.)? If so then please share with us at Psx scene where you will not be bashed or hated on.

BahumatLord - 04-25-2012, 02:00 PM
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Here's an update INCORRECT WAY

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STLcardsWS - 04-25-2012, 02:48 PM
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Homebrew is the "KEY". Weather you have a direct interest or not. Really doesn't matter. The average user it doesn't matter WHY you are in the scene. Its how you treat the scene, and if you don't respect homebrew or see the value of it, then that is the issue in the scene, along with the horrible attitudes.

The developers are the real people who can progress a scene. However members have the power to derail the progress off the tracks and in fact turn developers away, because of the attitudes/environment they present. That why we need to change the attitude. Members have the power to make this a more inviting place for developers and development

Weather or not you love homebrew or think you dont use it.. Its important.

To the people who thinks its all about the games you dont play backups without HOMEBREW..

What is a backup manager? Homebrew.
What is React PSN? Homebrew
GameData Tool? Homebrew

I could go on and on. A tool like CrashSerious Service mode tool. Heck who knows that may help lead to some finding down the road.. The average user needs to wake up and SEE THE IMPORTANCES TO HOMEBREW.

NO SCENE CAN GROW WITHOUT HOMEBREW.. We will never know the keys. they wont be needed. No other jailbreak has keys, That is like opening a door with your house key saying you cracked the lock. No you opened the door.

"More homebrew, more developers, more developers looking at the ps3 more things will be known, more exploits found. The key to the ps3 is not the Keys for the scenes sake rather it is Homebrew Development. That is the KEY to unlocking the ps3 and making this a more inviting scene, everything else follows."

Turkish-PSG - 04-25-2012, 03:33 PM
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I love Sony

PS3 scene dissapointed me, I was one of the first to follow the news daily, but on the emulator and homebrew front nothing exciting has happened. I was waiting for a DC and N64 emulators for 1.5 years! Not trying to be offensive here, but the PS3 scene community only cared about pirating games and getting on PSN wich never shouldve been the primary point.

brakk3n - 04-25-2012, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Shrek

These speeches are becoming a little boring now.

Must be slow news day.

They are called Editorials and no one is forcing you to read them. I always love a good Editorial.