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  • Sony Takes a New Approach with Vita

      
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    The Central Scrutinizer
    Published on 07-15-2011 10:41 PM
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    With all the flames around how Sony handled the PS3 mess of the century, its no wonder they are rethinking their methods with the PS Vita. A big name in the industry has come out to say this time around they are going to embrace these "garage developers", instead of cutting them off like in all previous consoles (we all know how that usually goes - HINT PS3.) SCE chief Shuhei Yoshida, has come out saying

    Quote Originally Posted by Develop
    "As an industry, we have to support those smaller teams, and let them try out their ideas"


    Apparently there is a push for garage developers to use mainly the touch only functions, as this is the direction that mobile gaming is taking and will ensure success in today's market. But has their way of handling the PS3 bump scared all the would be devs away? And unless you're willing to fork out the unconfirmed $3,000 for a usage of the developer SDK (as said by PS3Crunch), this is a dream that will stay in the clouds.

    But this is not the only thing Sony is changing up in the mechanics of the company. There are going to be great changes to the gaming strategy, with a confirmed push to the Android market. It isn't confirmed if they will allow Android content to also spill back into the Vita, but right now they are optimistic about pushing the Playstation network and its availability to Android users (a first in cross company platform from Sony in 15 Years). Yoshida had this to say:

    Quote Originally Posted by Develop
    "Having the capability to sell their games on the network is key to giving those smaller teams an opportunity to come up with ideas, and sometimes invest their own money to come up with something special and have their projects meet with millions of users."
    Maybe it is too late for Sony and "garage Developers", but I'd say its a step in the right direction for a long and hard healing process with the homebrew community.

    Sources: PS3Crunch
    Develop-Online

    Thanks to PSX-SCENE moderator damanptyltd for the news article!
    Comments 48 Comments
    1. Jammol's Avatar
      Jammol - 07-15-2011, 11:52 PM
      Umm. Should just stick to PSP! You freakin retards don't know how to keep a franchise alive. You are royally ****ing your own company in the ass. Just like when Apple had gotten rid of Steve Jobs.
    1. dulal's Avatar
      dulal - 07-15-2011, 11:59 PM
      to the smarta-- complaining trolling and flaming maybe u should shut the ---- up and wait and see before making senseless comments my god all i see is damn trolls in this site specially squarepusher2 creep harassing others i know now he will bs my comment too and since he has no life it will make him think he does idiot
    1. damanptyltd's Avatar
      damanptyltd - 07-16-2011, 12:09 AM
      Dulal, Keep your posts on topic please.
    1. ahou's Avatar
      ahou - 07-16-2011, 12:16 AM
      And unless your willing to fork out the unconfirmed $3,000 for a usage of the developer SDK(as said by PS3Crunch), this is a dream that will stay in the clouds.
      lol. Nothing has changed.
    1. coreybob's Avatar
      coreybob - 07-16-2011, 12:24 AM
      yea cuz if your developing ( in the garage ) u totally have 3000 dollars laying around.
    1. damanptyltd's Avatar
      damanptyltd - 07-16-2011, 12:36 AM
      Quote Originally Posted by ahou View Post
      lol. Nothing has changed.
      I'd appreciate if you'd elaborate on that via PM, as I don't see what i have done wrong.
    1. ahou's Avatar
      ahou - 07-16-2011, 12:40 AM
      Quote Originally Posted by damanptyltd View Post
      I'd appreciate if you'd elaborate on that via PM, as I don't see what i have done wrong.
      What are you talking about?
    1. damanptyltd's Avatar
      damanptyltd - 07-16-2011, 12:47 AM
      Quote Originally Posted by ahou View Post
      What are you talking about?
      My apologise i assumed you were referencing something else
    1. ahou's Avatar
      ahou - 07-16-2011, 01:15 AM
      Quote Originally Posted by damanptyltd View Post
      My apologise i assumed you were referencing something else
      Guilty conscious?

      Nah, dulal's post, while it made sense for the post above it, it was silly to complain about "all the trolls", in a thread that had exactly one post in it.

      Keep it up.
    1. ch13696's Avatar
      ch13696 - 07-16-2011, 01:19 AM
      Scumbag Sony:

      Say the platform is open to all developers
      Charge them an arm and a leg for the SDK
    1. spy4561's Avatar
      spy4561 - 07-16-2011, 02:04 AM
      Quote Originally Posted by ch13696 View Post
      Scumbag Sony:

      Say the platform is open to all developers
      Charge them an arm and a leg for the SDK
      LOL yes! And if people are comparing this new Portable to Smartphones ( iOS, Android ) then it has almost no chance with the price of the SDK Model! Right?!
      Apple charges $100 a year, and Android SDK is free and open to ANYONE! So why would Sony charge SOOoO much!? Their insane.
    1. ahou's Avatar
      ahou - 07-16-2011, 02:07 AM
      Quote Originally Posted by spy4561 View Post
      So why would Sony charge SOOoO much!? Their insane.
      Because they don't actually want just anyone releasing content on their console. They just like to pretend they do.
    1. sithlord's Avatar
      sithlord - 07-16-2011, 07:09 AM
      Hmm...I prefer the term "bedroom coder".
    1. GhostOfMork's Avatar
      GhostOfMork - 07-16-2011, 07:30 AM
      Is 3 grand a lot of money for a console SDK? Is anyone aware of what professional software actually costs? MS Visual Studio Ultimate is around 10K last I checked. 3D Studio or Maya? The hardware to create decent assets for a modern 3d game? I've read the PS3 SDK is 10K. For someone who is going to release commercial quality software on a next gen portable console to sell, this is cheap as. I would be more interested in what cut Sony takes of your sales, that's where the real cost will be. When they talk about garage developers, its a figure of speech describing a small autonomous developer team. if you had 6 people working on it, that's $500 each.

      The PsP market failed a long time ago, the only people buying games on it are the honest ones. It was hacked almost as soon as it came out, and is hacked so badly now that you can get on PSN with CFW. It is no surprise that Sony want to move on, only time will tell how long it stays secure. I am betting they will put a lot of effort into DRM this time.
    1. Greg0u812's Avatar
      Greg0u812 - 07-16-2011, 08:47 AM
      I really could not have said it better GhostOfMork!
      I would have expected between $4k and $6k for something of this nature.
      The price surprised me some.

      While I will not be buying the SDK, I will wait for the lines to slow down to normal (ie.......I will not sit in a parking lot for days, waiting to buy it! ) and will buy the 3G retail version pretty quick. Will be a nice addition to the gaming "stable".
    1. bobbintb's Avatar
      bobbintb - 07-16-2011, 11:51 AM
      too late still hate you.
    1. masr1979's Avatar
      masr1979 - 07-16-2011, 01:01 PM
      LOL! right. Let me guess the moment somebody does something that sony perceives, might possibly the start, of the initiation, of what could possibly be, a remote threat sony will yank everything out and hide behind their excuse of protecting their security. Thanks, but no thanks sony.If I ever feel the remotely inclined to purchase sony hardware it will be after the scene rapes it, and even then I highly doubt I would actually buy it.
    1. Ex-Cyber's Avatar
      Ex-Cyber - 07-16-2011, 03:53 PM
      @GhostOfMork: In a roundabout way, you've explained exactly why Sony seems to be missing the point. Their main problem isn't with developers that can't afford the SDK, it's with developers that don't want to be the kind of company or make the kind of game that Sony would approve in the first place. Unless that price tag comes with a raft of licensing/approval process reforms, it's not going to buy them much.

      @squarepusher2: Sony owns SN Systems, they did develop tools for PS3, and they are developing tools for PS Vita. I don't think SN Systems ever did full-blown compiler development, though. They've generally been oriented toward lower-level processes like assembly, linking, debugging, and profiling. AFAIK the Saturn, PS1, Dreamcast, and PS2 SDKs all used forks of GCC, so that's been normal for a long time. If you wanted a third-party compiler, Metrowerks (now part of Freescale and their stuff for non-Freescale architectures seems to all be discontinued) was the go-to company.

      As for the GPL issue, I agree with the conclusion but not the reasoning you've used to get there. Companies have always been free to develop their own special versions of GPL-covered programs and distribute them solely via selling them for kilobucks. What's not allowed is to then wrap that transaction in another agreement (such as an NDA or EULA) that nullifies the privileges granted to the customer by the GPL.
    1. Retroact1ve's Avatar
      Retroact1ve - 07-16-2011, 06:33 PM
      Quote Originally Posted by Jammol View Post
      Umm. Should just stick to PSP! You freakin retards don't know how to keep a franchise alive. You are royally ****ing your own company in the ass. Just like when Apple had gotten rid of Steve Jobs.
      Sources have confirmed that in fact the vita will allow for open android development, and that a year or so down the road it will be taken away via an update. That is all for now.
    1. damanptyltd's Avatar
      damanptyltd - 07-16-2011, 08:31 PM
      Quote Originally Posted by Retroact1ve View Post
      Sources have confirmed that in fact the vita will allow for open android development, and that a year or so down the road it will be taken away via an update. That is all for now.
      AHAHA i lol'ed.
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