Sony Soon to Force Gamers into Using HDMI

[ahou]

The fact that slaves often would be forced back into slavery has nothing to do with giant corporations trying to take advantage.

It is a reason why they could not just simply free their slaves. Freeing their own slaves would solve absolutely nothing, unless they first fight to make slavery illegal. It is a situation where doing what they think is right, can actually be worse than compromising their morals. And so they keep their slaves, even though they think it is wrong, while supporting the abolishion of slavery.

This is why I see analogies as poor arguments. Analogies are by definitions different situations.

Different, but similar. Analogies are not meant to be conclusive proof of anything. They are meant to demonstrate the result or reasoning of a similar situation.

There have been pages of other reasons beside the one presented that you are arguing against yourself. That's just the one you've decided to try to dismantle.

There have been pages full of reasons why this is a shitty move by the aacs. One of which was that people are arguing against their self interests. Which was entirely unsupported. I chose to dismantle this one because it is the one that without further explanation than what was given, is entirely meaningless.

[GhostOfMork]

The "arguing against our own self-interests" argument is bunk anyway. Do not confuse YOUR self-interest with everyone elses. Let me clarify;

- Your self-interest is to save a few dollars on the next online PS3 game you buy secondhand. You have no interest in the original creators seeing money from that sale because in your minds they have already been compensated for their work with the original sale. This simplistic view ignores the fact that the potential market for said game is larger than the return that the producer sees, so the producers returns are being cannibalized by a market they cannot currently compete with due to price. Profits from this secondary market are going to the shareholders of a different company, one that doesn't actually create anything.

- My self interest is to play fun and well produced games, ones with interesting online features and decent production values. I am aware that it costs a lot of money and takes the efforts of a large group of people working for months or years to create a modern game. I prefer to buy my games new, though I have bought a few second hand. I realize that money that goes to a non-producer like EB Games or one of the various other industrialized second hand retailers does not show any returns to the producer of the products and software that I enjoy. Through this understanding, I don't see the problem with charging someone who did not buy something off of you a small pittance to access your private infrastructure i.e. the game servers. People seem to think running a data center is free, or that their unique accounts that are stored on these servers automatically delete or overwrite the accounts of the previous user. And even if you think the amount is more than the cost, it's $10! Thats the cost of a McDonalds meal in my country.

Different people have different points of view, and QQing on a forum about how anyone who disagrees with your point of view is some sort of lesser human does not make that so. It's called an ad hominem argument and if you look up logical fallacies, it's listed under red herrings.

I enjoy reading this forum, the opinions are robust and interesting for the most part. And I can handle people saying things I don't agree with. Argument and debate is one of the more interesting human interactions. I would just like to see more actual debate instead of rampant mudslinging. Just a tip for those that haven't worked it out, screaming at someone rarely influences them positively.

[ahou]

it's $10! Thats the cost of a McDonalds meal in my country.

Ehhh? I think i average about $2.50 for a meal from mcdonalds, and i doubt i could eat more than maybe $5 worth if i tried.

[GhostOfMork]

Ehhh? I think i average about $2.50 for a meal from mcdonalds, and i doubt i could eat more than maybe $5 worth if i tried.

Illustrating once again that not everything is the same everywhere, and people should be allowed to have different viewpoints. Big Macs cost $5 here. Maybe this leads to a completely different appreciation of the value of your money. And it's a typical bad argument to say that "there are too many to list" without even bothering to list one. As I've repeated so many times, your side of the argument doesn't actually present any logical reason that I can see, you just repeat the same "Corporations are pure evil and anyone who doesn't conform to my viewpoint is as well" bs that we see so much. It's rhetoric and completely unconvincing to anyone except the true believers that follow that line of thinking already. Your totally entitled to your opinion, and I am not pretending that I am somehow invalidating your beliefs through pointing out the fallacies in your argumentative style, but at the same time, I think my opinion is the correct one.

[GhostOfMork]

What a dumb illiterate schmuck you are, and how very ironic that you say to me 'you have no interest in the original creators seeing money from that sale' because your dumb schmuck self HAS NO INTEREST IN THAT as well - or else you wouldnt' support totally dumb initiatives like this.

Let me repeat this for you since your brain can't compute this -

NONE OF THAT MONEY EVER REACHES THE PATHETIC SLAVE CODER/PROGRAMMER/ARTIST whom comprises the vast majority of these development houses.

LET ME REPEAT THAT SHIT TO YOU AGAIN: NONE OF IT EVER REACHES THEM. AND CERTAINLY NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF RRP UNITS SHIFTED - that gets to managers, PR execs, CEOs.

Wrong mate, it goes to the parent company. Then next time someone is saying "Lets make generic fps shooter XII" managers look at how well the last product from that particular developer group did and try to work out if they will make any money. Programmers in general are not movie stars, except in a few very rare cases of exceptional talent, they get payed a fixed wage that they negotiate with their employer when they take a job. You know, like most of the work force does.

To somehow think that people should get royalties from a project they work on for EA or whoever is just pie in the sky and a complete disconnect from reality. The mainstream games industry does not run on some sort of indie market model. PR Execs don't get royalties from games, I almost spat my drink in laughter when I read that. CEOs get payed a lot of money for a lot of different things, but its not a cut of game sales, it is more in the form of large bonuses when they guide a company to certain performance targets though this is all dependent on the contract they negotiated.

At the end of the day my point was this. in the equation used to green light a new entertainment product, the absolute number one highest weighted factor in that decision is how much money it will make. You seriously cannot argue that point can you?

One last thing is that I don't really care if they do online passes or not, because I usually buy games I like when they come out. And if I knew a game had an online pass feature, and was looking to buy it second hand, I would factor in the cost of the pass into my decision to purchase, just like most people do when they buy anything. I think what is likely is that you've taken some sort of moral decision to only buy games second hand because you hate sony. Which is totally your right. But these are their products that they create, so what makes you think you have some sort of say over their business decisions besides your choice whether or not to buy it?

[ahou]

Illustrating once again that not everything is the same everywhere, and people should be allowed to have different viewpoints. Big Macs cost $5 here. Maybe this leads to a completely different appreciation of the value of your money. And it's a typical bad argument to say that "there are too many to list" without even bothering to list one. As I've repeated so many times, your side of the argument doesn't actually present any logical reason that I can see, you just repeat the same "Corporations are pure evil and anyone who doesn't conform to my viewpoint is as well" bs that we see so much. It's rhetoric and completely unconvincing to anyone except the true believers that follow that line of thinking already. Your totally entitled to your opinion, and I am not pretending that I am somehow invalidating your beliefs through pointing out the fallacies in your argumentative style, but at the same time, I think my opinion is the correct one.

Wait, what? Was that meant for someone else? I more or less agree with you, and have been arguing a similar position.

[GhostOfMork]

Wait, what? Was that meant for someone else? I more or less agree with you, and have been arguing a similar position.

LOL sorry I misconstrued your comment, it is directed to the other side of the discussion.

[gDrive]

What a dumb illiterate schmuck you are, and how very ironic that you say to me 'you have no interest in the original creators seeing money from that sale' because your dumb schmuck self HAS NO INTEREST IN THAT as well - or else you wouldnt' support totally dumb initiatives like this.

Let me repeat this for you since your brain can't compute this -

NONE OF THAT MONEY EVER REACHES THE PATHETIC SLAVE CODER/PROGRAMMER/ARTIST whom comprises the vast majority of these development houses.

LET ME REPEAT THAT SHIT TO YOU AGAIN: NONE OF IT EVER REACHES THEM. AND CERTAINLY NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF RRP UNITS SHIFTED - that gets to managers, PR execs, CEOs.

Well, duhhhh, that's obvious Squarepusher2 (excuse the immature reply)...............oh, wait a minute............

Some retards are just too dumb to compute even the simplist of commands!

Speaking of how finances are "distributed" to staff and what-not, the Hollywood c*nts like to screw over their staff too, with lameass techniques like "The Hollywood Accountancy Tricks" - here's one example 'Hollywood Accounting' Losing In The Courts | Techdirt

Also, here's a well-known phrase from the Irish-American atheistic comedian named George Denis Patrick Carlin that pretty much describes more or less EVERYTHING in the 21st Century!

"It's all bullsh!t folks, and it's bad for ya!"

[steveo1978]

it's a typical bad argument to say that "there are too many to list" without even bothering to list one.

Shhhh dont feed the troll and maybe he will go away.

[BUBER]

It has been a frustration for people using SD. I remember the whole Banjo & Kazooie Nuts and Bolts fiasco. The text wasn't readable on SD televisions and it took them a couple months to release a patch that made text readable. By that time I had already sold the game. I found a very nice HD TV for cheap since then but there are some games like Red Dead (I don't remember if it's zombies or not) that refuse to even load on SD TV's. I just wanted to show the game to my friend.

Red Dead Redemption and some other games won't load on a SDTV... unless you change the PARAM.SFO and tick off 480 compatability! It is an easy fix with PS3SFOEdit

[NuclearAqua]

Red Dead Redemption and some other games won't load on a SDTV... unless you change the PARAM.SFO and tick off 480 compatability! It is an easy fix with PS3SFOEdit

Not true. I played red dead on a SDTV before. The subtitles are barely readable, and so are the dialog boxes, but it can be played.

[Deeked]

I guess the THE PATHETIC SLAVE CODER/PROGRAMMER/ARTIST, should open their own company so they can get all their profits for themselves then. Like the Rich Liberal Lady Gaggag. Earnings $90 M From May 2010 - May 2011.

Those EVIL rich people. Lady Gaga - Forbes