Sony Gearing Up To Issue The Ban Hammer - CFW Users Beware!

[indirect76]

I have some experience with TOS and actual laws. Sony can write that you agree the Sky is Purple and Rabbits have wings, but they are a company and do not make laws....

This all day long. In the US it is impossible to sign your rights away. This is simply a tactic to convince you otherwise. It's like at the end of a football game when the announcere says:

"Any other use of this telecast or any pictures, descriptions, or accounts of the game without the NFL's consent is prohibited"


Yeah, it's 'prohibited' by the NFL, but they aren't taking away your first ammentment right to talk about it, though I'm sure that's what they would like you to understand it as.

[brakk3n]

let me ask you this. do you really think all these video games are worth $59.99 each when they come out? and then a couple months later they are $29.99. how is that fair if you bought it when it first came out and paid more. i say screw SONY and any other other greedy company that tries to take advantage of it's customers. if they want to stop piracy hears an idea make the DAMN games affordable so we could buy all of them. and when we buy the game and get it home and it sux and ain't like the promos we see give us our money back. that aint gonna happen so i say screw em. hack away, pirate away, yo! ho! yo! ho!

Simple; wait until the game is cheaper.

[jalaneme]

I have some experience with TOS and actual laws. Sony can write that you agree the Sky is Purple and Rabbits have wings, but they are a company and do not make laws. The part about agreeing to not suing them invalid due to the fact it's right you have that cannot be taken away even if you agree to it. You can still sue Sony and presenting an electronically signed binding contract stating you won't would not even be permissible in court as a way for Sony to stop the lawsuit before it got started. Sony cannot make, change or enforce actual US laws - period. You have a right in the USA to sue whomever you please. I know this because I had signed a lease for an apartment that said I would not sue, but after months of nothing, but violations of the law on there part I brought the matter to court and the lease (contract) I signed did not forgo my right to sue the bastards. It's a bluff that can't be enforced.

Of course your chances of winning a lawsuit against Sony is about -50%

yeah i know they don't have a leg to stand on, also because they have so much money you wouldn't be able to forward it to a court of law anyway unless you have a lot of money.

Running custom firmware is not only illegal in many countries including the USA, but it breaks the TOS for PSN therefor Sony has every right to ban your ass. It's common knowledge that by installing CFW you are in most cases breaking the law and in 100% of the time you're breaking the TOS. I have no problem with Sony enforcing this and if you're upset the only person you have to blame is yourself.

if the courts rule iPhone jailbreaking as legal, then why can't the ps3 be treated in the same way? also if you are ripping your discs to the hard drive for convenience how is that illegal? i don't think a user should get banned for something like that.
on top of that you stated in a previous post that their TOS doesn't mean sheet and it doesn't even stand in a court of law, sony haven't got a leg to stand on and they are not above the law, just because they can hide behind a load of money does not mean they are gods, when you remotely disable a users ps3 and render it useless (damage of property) and disable a users psn account (and stopping them having access to their content that they paid for) that is classed as illegal and wrong, and they should be tried in the courts for misconduct and damage loss, sony are hypocrites, they say what we are doing is illegal but what they are doing is also illegal too.

[ebob]

I happily pay for PSN games. If I'm unable to access PSN, I'll find them somewhere else. Really smart piracy prevention.

[jalaneme]

double post.

[mayid25]

So what i will stay on CFW 4.30. **** sony.

[indirect76]

let me ask you this. do you really think all these video games are worth $59.99 each when they come out? and then a couple months later they are $29.99. how is that fair if you bought it when it first came out and paid more. i say screw SONY and any other other greedy company that tries to take advantage of it's customers. if they want to stop piracy hears an idea make the DAMN games affordable so we could buy all of them. and when we buy the game and get it home and it sux and ain't like the promos we see give us our money back. that aint gonna happen so i say screw em. hack away, pirate away, yo! ho! yo! ho!

Stop being ridiculous. You say games are too expensive, but before that you say they drop in price a few weeks after launch. You even have the option to buy used games. Mostly of all, you act like they are selling oxygen or air. The fact is video games are a luxury. If you can't afford them, that's not an excuse to steal them.

This is way off topic anyway.

[mgrimmenator]

btw, on topic. i have a couple of ps3's. the one with official fw i logged in to day and updated from 4.25 to 4.31. when my account first try to auto-login i got one of those errors. i click back and tried to log in immediately after and was all good. so i'm not sure how they are detecting stuff cuz that console has never has cfw on it ever. if it gets banned for some reason can we sue SONY, nope don't think so.

[brakk3n]

yeah i know they don't have a leg to stand on, also because they have so much money you wouldn't be able to forward it to a court of law anyway unless you have a lot of money.

if the courts rule iPhone jailbreaking as legal, then why can't the ps3 be treated in the same way? also if you are ripping your discs to the hard drive for convenience how is that illegal? i don't think a user should get banned for something like that.
on top of that you stated in a previous post that their TOS doesn't mean sheet and it doesn't even stand in a court of law, sony haven't got a leg to stand on and they are not above the law, just because they can hide behind a load of money does not mean they are gods, when you remotely disable a users ps3 and render it useless (damage of property) and disable a users psn account (and stopping them having aces to their content that they paid for) that is classed as illegal and wrong, and they should be tried in the courts for misconduct and damage loss.

In a court of Law Sony doesn't have a leg to stand on regarding the agreement of not suing them. Mind you this is Civil Court. Of course Sony's TOS (for the most part) is not actual laws, but something you've agreed to adhere to. If you break the contract then you are exposed to what happens if you do. Don't try to twist my words with the suing and the CFW issue. It's Sony's network, you agree to the TOS then you break it and the result is what they reserved them to be - banning you and also voiding your warranty which you already did on your own when you flashed CFW.

Sure, if you're upset you could go try to sue Sony over losing PSN due to your illegal modification which circumvents copyright protections which is illegal per the DMCA and specifically addressed in the 2012 revision. Good luck with that.

[jalaneme]

I happily pay for PSN games. If I'm unable to access PSN, I'll find them somewhere else. Really smart piracy prevention.

yep, smart move from sony, if they disable a account what do you think the person is going to do? they are going to get back the content they have paid for illegally anyway so it's going to hurt sony more than it's going to hurt them.

[indirect76]

Oops, double post.

[brakk3n]

If they make the games cheap oke. But some games are to expensive man.

Some games are around 60 dollars are you ****ing nuts?

Some people cant afford that much money. So what if my PS3 is hacked screw you sony.

I dont like some people who are bitching about YES I LIKE IT WHEN THEY BAN SOME PEOPLE. I think that people who say that are also the ones that have a hacked PS3 console. Because if they didnt why are they on PSX-SCENE?

Only why they are bitching is because they have much money to spend because DADDY is rich. So they definitly have 2 ps3 consoles one hacked and nother normal. So they are here to claim that they are THE GOOD ONES.

No all the people in the world have the possibility to buy expensive games and not everyone can afford those riddicullisly high prices. It is normal that you will hack your console for sure.

If you can't afford it then go without. That's if you're using your CFW PS3 for 'backups' otherwise just shut up and pirate the shit and stop this moral highground. You don't make the game, you don't setup the distribution platform so until you do go whine about the prices all day long. I'm waiting for you to change them.

[Mentalist]

Anyone is breaking any "laws" using a modified user friendly FW!Sony is not the president.A person wich uses a CFW is not a criminal not even the devs. I have genuine games sealed! I like to be in CFW so I can buy ONLY my favorite game franchises and let them sealed! I also keep my PS3 temps low not using the BD drive incresing its life! I have all Sony consoles except VITA!I even recently expend more than $100 bucks on a Sony Wireless Stereo Headset 7.1 to use with my illegal criminaly pirated devilsh cfw console. So $ony profit by selling consoles and games to both OFW and CFW Users. With this Ban Hammer Storm $ony will only loose more money. Actually they must be spending more money increasing security and banning customers wich bought their hardware at a high price! Use the money to increase Team ICO and provide better programmers in order Fumito Ueda finish the only and one game and reason I bought the PS3. Last Guardian. Miss the old times of psone era.

[Pharaohdk]

ohman, I only use that shitty PSN since its needed to be logged in or I cant use my netflix on the ps3 really shitty.
I agree with everyone that say ppl should not be playing pirated online, and *Ive seen some games reguire an online pass. guess all future ones will by now.

[brakk3n]

Anyone is breaking any "laws" using a modified user friendly FW!Sony is not the president.A person wich uses a CFW is not a criminal not even the devs. I have genuine games sealed! I like to be in CFW so I can buy ONLY my favorite game franchises and let them sealed! I also keep my PS3 temps low not using the BD drive incresing its life! I have all Sony consoles except VITA!I even recently expend more than $100 bucks on a Sony Wireless Stereo Headset 7.1 to use with my illegal criminaly pirated devilsh cfw console. So $ony profit by selling consoles and games to both OFW and CFW Users. With this Ban Hammer Storm $ony will only loose more money. Actually they must be spending more money increasing security and banning customers wich bought their hardware at a high price! Use the money to increase Team ICO and provide better programmers in order Fumito Ueda finish the only and one game and reason I bought the PS3. Last Guardian. Miss the old times of psone era.

Is it legal in Brazil to have CFW then? If so then you're lucky! In the USA CFW is illegal due to the fact it violates various sections of a law we have called the DMCA which prohibits circumventing security in electronic devices such as video game consoles. If a PS3 DEV lives in the USA he's breaking the law.

Of course, this law sucks, but it's a law and it's indeed illegal to flash CFW.

All of the CFW users especially ones with backups/copies when online can be probed by Sony meaning there could be a database of every console that used PSN with CFW and/or copied games. I hope the FBI doesn't get sent this database. Could mean trouble for major pirates. Just like you shouldn't do business using website forums (PM) as due to the DMCA they can demand your logs from this site or any site and see what you've been up to. Of course, you already knew that.

[megatoto]

GG Sony, please kick all these PSN cheaters, abusers and stealers...Massive BAN their IP, MAC, PS3 SERIAL ! Do your job to save your PSN for those who are fair and don't want to be bother with CFW cheaters

[mayid25]

@brakk3n dont get me wrong. I dont need PSN and dont use it only if sometimes i see a game and realy want it i will buy it online.

The ones that are playing games online with there hacked PS3 are realy crazy. It is normal that you will get a permanent ban from sony.

I dont like online games and never have played them.

[Mentalist]

Is it legal in Brazil to have CFW then? If so then you're lucky! In the USA CFW is illegal due to the fact it violates various sections of a law we have called the DMCA which prohibits circumventing security in electronic devices such as video game consoles.

Call $ony and send me to jail! I deserve that. I am just a 28 years old customer that sold my left kidney to buy a PS3. Yeah. I am really a bad an mean psycho just because I cannot afford to buy ALL the PS3 games library and use some workaround to play it! No I am not lucky and sorry about my sarcasm. Indeed is Illegal but people here are overeacting a little by call us CRIMINALS! We didnt steal from sony! I actually love sony consoles! I just think is unfair to claim that we are criminals or law breakers!

[DiMotas]

oh crap, PEs 2013 now needs code pass... any solution?

[brakk3n]

@brakk3n dont get me wrong. I dont need PSN and dont use it only if sometimes i see a game and realy want it i will buy it online.

The ones that are playing games online with there hacked PS3 are realy crazy. It is normal that you will get a permanent ban from sony.

I dont like online games and never have played them.

A lot of people including the majority of CFW users who do not use PSN to cheat in games have grown accustomed to not having PSN access or taking advantage of it's features with their CFW PS3. Most know that singing into PSN allows Sony to detect copied games and CFW so they have a second PS3 just for OFW and PSN. However, some people also do not care for online games, but this generation of "kids" are hooked to multiplayer online games and some do have CFW and do cheat in them. Online gaming is big business and when you have a huge game come out and it's being ruined by cheaters I think it's only fair to finally lay down the ban-hammer and get rid of anyone breaking the TOS regarding PSN. Selectively banning only the cheaters would probably take too much time and effort and why should Sony only get rid of the cheaters when you're breaking the TOS by using CFW which is used 99% of the time to pirate games anyway. So yes, I understand you do not like online games, but others do.