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  • SCEA Files Motion To Dismiss OtherOS Lawsuit Again

    April 1st 2011 marked the one year anniversary since Sony had removed the OtherOS feature from their Sony Playstation 3 consoles. At one point this was a feature that Sony had promised to always support. Since breaking that promise, they have been engulfed in a legal firestorm from upset users who have filed a class action lawsuit against Sony. Today, we've been informed of the latest happenings in the case, which involve Sony's attempt to get the case dismissed once again.

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    There’s news from the class action litigation, In re Sony PS3 ‘Other OS’ Litigation, where the plaintiffs are suing Sony Computer Entertainment America for removing OtherOS from Playstation 3s. SCEA has filed another motion to dismiss [PDF] the class action case, once again saying that the plaintiffs’ newly filed First Amended Complaint is insufficient to state a claim. The original complaint’s claims, except for one, were dismissed, with the judge giving the plaintiffs a chance to refile. Now that they have, SCEA says this refiled complaint should be tossed out also. There will be a hearing on all this on May 12th.


    And the class action plaintiffs are asking the judge [PDF] to help them get discovery that SCEA is, they claim, reluctant to provide. Role reversal. In the SCEA v. Hotz litigation, SCEA is all about discovery, all they can get. Here, it’s the opposite.
    There is a transcript from a February 9th hearing in the Sony class action attached as an exhibit to the plaintiffs’ letter to the judge in the case, and I think you’ll be amazed. Would you like to know what SCEA’s lawyers think of customers who use Linux? We get to find out, because the hearing begins with SCEA asking the judge for access to the plaintiffs’ hard drives. Why would you want that, the judge asks? These are not defendants accused of anything, remember. Sony is the one in the hot seat, but here is the incredible answer: because, says their attorney, these plaintiffs say they used Linux, so SCEA suspects they were part of a hacking conspiracy, and they’d like to check. There’s more, and I’ll tell you all about it.


    And SCEA claims in the transcript that it wasn’t the entity that decided to drop OtherOS. It says in this courtroom that Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. is responsible for that decision. In Hotz, SCEA says it is responsible for pretty much everything to do with PS3s in the US, or at least I got that impression. SCEA also tells the judge at the hearing that there’s been a change in the corporate setup. SCEI isn’t the parent of SCEA any more. So I did a little research on that. Who are they then? And how how were they related? I have found some press releases that clarify very nicely.

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    Comments 32 Comments
    1. randyhelmut-PSG's Avatar
      randyhelmut-PSG -
      I want OtherOS back.
    1. One2thr456svn's Avatar
      One2thr456svn -
      Somebody should tell Sony to Kiss My Azz
    1. Captain Obvious's Avatar
      Captain Obvious -
      Sony has NO right to remove a feature that millions of people PAYED for when they purchased a fat PS3. Then Sony claims that it was a "optional" update. even though it limited the use of the PS3 for linux users even more.
    1. CrimsonSoul's Avatar
      CrimsonSoul -
      Did I read that paragraph correctly?? SCEA is NOW accusing those that have Linux on their PS3 as apart of the group that were hacking conspiracy and wants to check their hard drives? You've got to be freaking kidding me!
    1. Yden's Avatar
      Yden -
      How exactly will checking hdd work in a class action. Class actions encompass everyone who bought a ps3 fat (unless they opt out) so they want to check those I'm guessing tens out thousands hdd?
    1. merkinmaker's Avatar
      merkinmaker -
      What a clown show. I'm pretty sure the judge saw right through the red herring SCEA's lawyers threw at him. Perhaps their defense attournies should meet up with their prosecuting attournies so they can compare stories. I have linux on my computer...is HP going to ask me for my HDD?
    1. MadnessImport's Avatar
      MadnessImport -
      I Still think its a fair deal

      Want OOS? Don't update
      Want our Network? Then update
      Want your cake AND eat it to? Then get cfw but we will find you....

      Sony just temporarily reduced a way for piracy
    1. Kondor1-PSG's Avatar
      Kondor1-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by MadnessImport View Post
      I Still think its a fair deal

      Want OOS? Don't update
      Want our Network? Then update
      Want your cake AND eat it to? Then get cfw but we will find you....

      Sony just temporarily reduced a way for piracy
      Um, technically thier FW update 3.21 said that it was only removing OtherOS, nothing else. If you wish to continue with newer games and blueray playback along with PSN, update, otherwise these features may stop. Well the thing is they DID NOT SAY THIS IN ANY FIRMWARE THEREAFTER. which leads a user to believe IF YOU SKIP 3.21 AND GO TO NEWER (aka 3.30,3.45,3.55...3.60..etc) IT DOES NOT SAY IT WILL BE REMOVED. it does say that any and all features may quit during an update. including psn,blueray, and gaming...etc. Yes, this means Offline and online ...if you dont update, you cannot play newer games. To get around the non-connectivity issue for updates, they are included on game discs, which require you to update in order to play. Well these update discs do not specify that feature will be removed. Nor does Sony have any firmware listings on boxes or website.(yes i asked in the email form, from www.playstation.com's website.) so unless you update directly with 3.21, you have no clue its going to be removed and you cannot access OTHEROS.
    1. Kondor1-PSG's Avatar
      Kondor1-PSG -
      yeah, i will gripe about this too. Since OTHER OS is removed, i think Sony should now classify the PS3 Computer system as a CONSOLE, and have to pay console taxes on it now. After all Nintendo and Microsoft have to.
    1. satanrules666-PSG's Avatar
      satanrules666-PSG -
      what an evil thing sony is doing

      so apparently if you use linux then sony call you a hacker and then want your hard drive.

      so apparently we could all be hackers if we use linux on our ps3 then we could all be taken to court.
    1. ISOHaven-PSG's Avatar
      ISOHaven-PSG -
      Ugh, get over it. Nothing but spoiled rotten children.
    1. Juggernaut6980's Avatar
      Juggernaut6980 -
      Quote Originally Posted by ISOHaven View Post
      Ugh, get over it. Nothing but spoiled rotten children.
      Are you talking about sony or the comments above?

      Because if it were the latter then I would have to dispute your claim and tell you that I purchased my PS3 console and 23 games with the money I had earned from going to work everyday 6 days a week. Not all of us are children even if we sometimes like to think we are. (Says this while thinking about making sandcastles).
    1. ISOHaven-PSG's Avatar
      ISOHaven-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut6980 View Post
      Are you talking about sony or the comments above?

      Because if it were the latter then I would have to dispute your claim and tell you that I purchased my PS3 console and 23 games with the money I had earned from going to work everyday 6 days a week. Not all of us are children even if we sometimes like to think we are. (Says this while thinking about making sandcastles).
      A spoiled rotten child that has lived long enough to reach 18+ is still a spoiled rotten child when crying and whining about an f-ing TOY game console.
    1. jelle2503's Avatar
      jelle2503 -
      ISOhaven why don't you do this website a favor, and piss off.. these kind of careless assumptions prove you're the whining *****
      You also obviously have no idea why they're sueing to begin with.

      In other words, shut your mouth, get in line or piss off. Thanks. Your posts are useless and don't contribute anything, except to show you're the ignorant child.
    1. ISOHaven-PSG's Avatar
      ISOHaven-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by jelle2503 View Post
      ISOhaven why don't you do this website a favor, and piss off.. these kind of careless assumptions prove you're the whining *****
      You also obviously have no idea why they're sueing to begin with.

      In other words, shut your mouth, get in line or piss off. Thanks. Your posts are useless and don't contribute anything, except to show you're the ignorant child.
      Awww, poor baby got her feelings hurt. Oh well, you'll live.

      Anyone who bought a PS3 only for Linux is an idiot. Could have spent much less on alternative hardware. PS3 is a game console first, linux box last and not even that anymore.

      Deal with it.
    1. Pipo-PSG's Avatar
      Pipo-PSG -
      I got a PS3 because it had the ability to ALSO install linux on it.
      They had no right to cripple my console just because I use linux.
      Now it seems we can use linux again, but no thanks to $ony.
      I hope they go bankrupt over this.
    1. KilluminatiStyle's Avatar
      KilluminatiStyle -
      Quote Originally Posted by ISOHaven View Post
      Awww, poor baby got her feelings hurt. Oh well, you'll live.

      Anyone who bought a PS3 only for Linux is an idiot. Could have spent much less on alternative hardware. PS3 is a game console first, linux box last and not even that anymore.

      Deal with it.

      You really are a narrow minded smack tard with minimal capacity for logical thought.


      Where in ANY of these comments does someone claim that they had purchased a PS3 just for Linux?

      I was thinking, gee, it would be nice to have a PC in the living room but that's more space that I frankly just don't have. Then comes the PS3, a kick *** gaming console that also has the ability to be a fully functional Linux computer! To quote Charlie Sheen, "Winning." This solved the PC issue in the living room without taking up more space and since it was a launch console with backwards compatibility I was able to get rid of the PS2 and PSOne which were still there for the kids to use.

      Then that big effin' angry crab comes along and says, "Hey, now that you've gotten to use your PS3 for so long and we know you like the ability to do all this neat stuff we're going to give you a choice. Keep online play or keep the PC. Have a nice day."

      I sell and repair personal computers for a living and if I were to tell a customer they could buy a PC that will double as a DVD/Blu-Ray player only to come to their home and give them an ultimatum some years later to keep Blu-Ray playback or loose your online PC functionality, how the hell do you think they would react? They'd be pretty pissed off.

      It's not about being a spoiled kid as you say. It's called being an educated shopper and purchasing the product that best suits your needs. I honestly at the time didn't really even want the gaming side of the beast, just the PC. After having it for a couple years the gaming side became JUST as important as the PC side and I was forced to choose what I wanted to keep. A choice that I didn't have to make when I made the purchase and if I did have to make that choice then NO PURCHASE WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE.
    1. ISOHaven-PSG's Avatar
      ISOHaven-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by KilluminatiStyle View Post
      You really are a narrow minded smack tard with minimal capacity for logical thought.
      That is hilarious, especially having this come right after:

      Quote Originally Posted by KilluminatiStyle View Post
      that also has the ability to be a fully functional Linux computer!
      WRONG!!!!

      It is a piece of crap, slimmed down, hardly usable linux machine. You can build a REAL fully functional Linux box for less then $200. As for not having space to have all these TOYS...yeah, right back to the spoiled rotten child.

      And then right back to this...

      Quote Originally Posted by KilluminatiStyle View Post
      It's called being an educated shopper....
      LOL!!!!!!! There is NOTHING educated about you. You clearly don't know anything about the capabilities of Linux on a stock PS3.

      Also, If you are so educated then why did you update and lose your Linux? You kids never grow up.
    1. Thorn's Avatar
      Thorn -

      By arcaninja at 2011-04-04

      just so you know
    1. KilluminatiStyle's Avatar
      KilluminatiStyle -
      Quote Originally Posted by ISOHaven View Post
      That is hilarious, especially having this come right after:



      WRONG!!!!

      It is a piece of crap, slimmed down, hardly usable linux machine. You can build a REAL fully functional Linux box for less then $200. As for not having space to have all these TOYS...yeah, right back to the spoiled rotten child.

      And then right back to this...



      LOL!!!!!!! There is NOTHING educated about you. You clearly don't know anything about the capabilities of Linux on a stock PS3.

      Also, If you are so educated then why did you update and lose your Linux? You kids never grow up.

      Right, calling it fully functional is wrong, I agree. Fully functional for what I wanted to use it for is more like it.

      If you had read through the post I made you would've seen that I said the GAMING side of the console has become just as important as the PC side. As this was the case I made an EDUCATED DECISION to keep my PS3's ability to stay online while reluctantly losing my PC ability.

      The bottom line is that this is NOT a choice that I nor anyone else who made the purchase with the intentions of it being a dual purpose machine should have had to make.

      I'm not entirely sure how anyone with half a brain could say that ANY company has a right to remove a feature from a product AFTER the sale was made. It's absurd and down right criminal.

      You sir seem to be here trolling and I for one will no longer entertain your childish endeavors and I apologize to those here who have already had to endure your half-witted comments. Obviously you've spent a little too much time huffing paint which has had a severely negative impact on your thought process. I can only hope that you have a loving family member or significant other that can guide you through the remainder of what will undoubtedly be a horrifically slow and drool covered existence.

      FYI -

      I never had much growing up and I work VERY hard to buy the "toys" I do have now for both me and my children. Seems to me that you're a little salty about people who "have". Here's a hint.

      GET OFF YOUR *** AND GET A JOB.

      Then you too can be a "child" with lots of "toys".
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