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  • RUMORS/FACTS - New TB Dongle, E3 Announcement, New Team ?!?!

    When the PS3 scene heats up, boy does it heat up. The internet is filled with rumors in the air, and hard to find facts here and there. Let's start with the new TB dongle; rumor for now, or at least all speculations. Lightake had posted a comment on their website, saying there was going to be a new replacement dongle coming soon, and goes even farther to say that the dongle will have additional support features. Does this mean TB Dongle v2.0, or does this just mean they are simply revising their dongle once again (TB Dongle v1.4?)?

    True Blue JB2 was stopped producing but a newer replace DRM dongle with build-in ndw function will be released in July, please pay close attention to TB official site news update in recent days. Anyone who wants to talk about the upcoming dongle, just visit our forum via this link:
    Also, I have received some more information from vitarelis, where a moderator for Lightake said the following:

    I must say sorry to you guys because we suddenly received the notice, not only lightake but all shops have to stop selling TRUE BLUE JB2 Dongle. Now we got two choices: 1. keep waiting for ship the newest DRM dongle instead of the old one when it's released in July; 2. contact our customer service for a refund. BTW,We have pre-ordered hundreds of new dongle, lightake will get the first batch of goods in stock then.

    Perhaps this does meaning TB is gearing up for round 2 of the dongle wars. TB vs E3 coming soon to theater near you (hint: it's a drama . But competition can be good, so let's get on to E3. The scene's inside connection with the underground teams, GaryOPA, has stated the following:

    As I will be posting some great E3 news later this week. Also there been alot of work behind the scenes from three different groups in bringing finally some action to the ones that can't downgrade or are stuck on non-jailbreak-able market. -- The market for 3.55 is growing smaller everyday.
    He mentions a third team, and I do not think he is talking about Cobra. I wonder who it will be. And as for the news, we will just have to wait and see. Here is some more information on E3, and the future of the scene, that I have put together.

    E3, a team that has been in the scene since the late 3.41 JB era of the PS3, which has went on to develop methods to downgrades, and dual boot your consoles. We recently told you they were back, and better than ever before; meaning this time they brought gifts. And they also brought a list of goals which included bringing more EBOOT patches that anyone can, plus they have stated they are developing the next 4.20+ CFW themselves.

    For those of you who were late for show, this scene really began when a dongle called the PS Jailbreak was released (which luckily was reversed pretty quickly), which helped users exploit the PS3 farther by releasing the first CFWs. These CFWs for 3.55 were put together but team work and communication, and now to this day it is what users have on their PS3s.

    Now, it seems getting past the "4.11" hurdle has been everyone's attempt at their claim to fame, but with a team that works so closely with the PS3 consoles by offering multiple tools to the sceners.

    Now here is where the tricky part comes in. For those of you who where with me when Sony started the lawsuit frenzy against PS Jailbreak, you know the PS3-Scene was in no way drama related; it was not until the free CFW came out that the scene filled with anger and hate. If this team does break that 4.11 barrier, a lot of people are going to be running to the scene to see what is happening.

    I am predicting it, just look at my avatar, the year is PSX-SCENE a.d. v0.2!

    And then when people have everything once again... are they still going to complain? Why they f***ing hate?!?!? At the end of the day, Sony is just going to try to patch the exploit, and people will start to whine and leave.

    tthousand's tthoughts - I have been done with buying dongles for a long time now (last was Cobra), I would rather donate to the individuals helping make the scene dongle free. Devs likes CrashSerious, and oxt0xor. It is a shame with so many people using all the advances in the scene, these people who contribute absolute masterpieces do not get more credit(card) for their work. I think it is time we start thinking of better ways to promote our developers, that is the only way we can enhance the scene. Otherwise it is what it is, puzzled.

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    Comments 134 Comments
    1. mad mike 96's Avatar
      mad mike 96 -
      Quote Originally Posted by bitsbubba View Post
      Hmm not all patches are just EBOOTs & PARAMs so I'm guessing that's not all there is to it
      What other form of true blue patch have you seen?
    1. ahou's Avatar
      ahou -
      Quote Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      Funny guy.

      @ The Rest of The People Addressing Me

      I understand that there are methods for booting higher firmware eboots on lower firmware machines that do not require hardware, but that is not what I am addressing. I'm stating the way Paradox & TB boot games in still unknown and I'm talking about the whole process from A-Z. The Dongle might be used for something other then DRM (dare I speculate and look back at other Dongles that did serve a purpose other them DRM) or it may be not. This fellow that dumped the cheating dongle claims to have broken the TB security and if/when he releases it and it doesn't require some sort of DIY Dongle and it boots the existing eboots then I will have my answer. Until then you see with all these posts that speculating is pointlessly boring. I also agree that instead of wasting time getting TB eboots to boot that figuring out a way to sign your own would be best.

      The ham sandwich was made with a lot of fresh garden food that I didn't grow. It had plenty of mayo made by a local place that has an olive orchard so I had very, very fresh olive oil mayonnaise with a touch of freshly ground ginger. Damnit, now I'm hungry!
      Well sure, it's possible there are other things on the dongle. However, they could easily be done without it. Even if that is the case, the dongle is still useless. It would just be the software it contains that is useful. And that software could be moved to the ps3. Either way; the only useful purpose of the dongle is DRM.
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      *yawn* ... I've already stated what will change my mind.
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      Quote Originally Posted by mad mike 96 View Post
      What other form of true blue patch have you seen?
      I've seen alot of them, some actually have patched sprx files too
    1. Goku1992's Avatar
      Goku1992 -
      @Brakk3n
      I hate to say it but it's all just DRM. I used to think the same way too but E3 proved me wrong. But I seriously think that it's time just to release the source code and let Sony patch this up. Others wont agree with me here but it's the best solution. I could explain why but it's really self explanatory
    1. Warning's Avatar
      Warning -
      Quote Originally Posted by Goku1992 View Post
      But I seriously think that it's time just to release the source code and let Sony patch this up. Others wont agree with me here but it's the best solution. I could explain why but it's really self explanatory
      No it is not.
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      Quote Originally Posted by Goku1992 View Post
      I hate to say it but it's all just DRM. I used to think the same way too but E3 proved me wrong.
      actually no they (E3) said they have the keys & furter SPECULATED that they know how TB is doing it
    1. mad mike 96's Avatar
      mad mike 96 -
      Actually thats the point m8. once the files are decrypted they can be used by any PS3. It's what PARADOX does to these decrypted files that make them require the dongle to run. It's simple logic. the decrypted or raw eboot/sprx/elf/self is just sonys unmodified code which will run on any console as long as it's signed with the correct private keys. so why should these decrypted eboots and such be any difrent? they aren't they are still sony's code it's just been repackaged with a new DRM and the dongle is the device that allows your console the ability to read these files. without the dongle which has the key to decrypt these files the DRM that is on the files prevents them from being decrypted by the console and makes it unplayable. the only other function of this dongle is to enable the other changes made to core os in there firmware they made. which is why when the device isn't inserted the firmware acts as OFW. the dongles functions are no secret. the secret is how they have been decrypting the files so they can make these patches and changes. Sure some of the games require some slight patching to the code to run because of certain security checks and such but again these eboots once decrypted can be changed as we please meaning the patching can be done without a dongle so why again the only reason the dongle is required is because they want to make money! thats all it ever was about. I'm 100% serious if you can decrypt your games eboot or whatever file then you can patch it to run on CFW without a dongle. we cant decrypt them because no one that knows how is sharing with us because then they don't make money. As was proven with the news of the clones the dongle can be defeated but its useless to beat the damn dongle when we cant produce the eboots on our own. the only thing breaking the dongle would give us it all the current eboots that we have. we'd never see another that works without a dongle tile someone broke the new DRM method and so far everyone that has broken it hasn't shared that either. You people seriously need to quit letting your imaginations run wild. They figured out a way to decrypt the new games and instead of release it free they wanted to make money thus was born the true blue. It's not magic it's not anything special it's just money. If anyone out there can prove to me that true blue was after anything but money then please do. They are a company whos sole purpose in this scene was to make money. they found a way to do something they figured they could get people to pay for and they were right. people did pay for it and they paid good money I might add. It's simple ****ing business people.
    1. Goku1992's Avatar
      Goku1992 -
      @Bitsbubba
      That's what they say but nobody really would know until the source code gets out

      @Warning
      The Scene has just been leveled down to just marketing/advertising for a new dongle and that's all the news has been about for couple of months. No new development nothing just dongles or TB firmware update got cracked. This is what happened to the Ps3 Scene. It's embarrassing, it's distasteful, it's just plain old sad. Which is why so many people talk so negatively about the Ps3 Scene is because it's true. Piracy is it's main focus and nothing else. Nobody is working on anything else. It's like the whole PS3 Scene revolves around what TB is doing. I rather see Sony just kill this off once and for all because it would be for the best.

      EDIT:
      @Mike
      I totally agree with you all the way. I used to think that TB was using the dongle to make the games work but in reality they are just making the games work on (Their Dongle). But games can be played since E3 proved that. Also that Chinese hacker proved that. It's just right now that is the main cash cow and DRM companies are trying to squeeze every penny off of them. Kinda will be entertaining to see TB stop making eboots for the current dongle and make them for the newer one. Then people are forced to buy yet another dongle. (Which they will) Since the old TB would be obsolete. Which is why I said all of this need to end. Problem is them money is way too good right now to let the secret out.
    1. mad mike 96's Avatar
      mad mike 96 -
      Well the only other secret bout this dongle is the signing key they are using tor resign these files
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      what proof??


      everybody is throwing the word proof around, the only thing E3 proved and tried to prove is they have the keys
    1. mad mike 96's Avatar
      mad mike 96 -
      The only thing E3 proved is they too can decrypt newer games. which in it's self proves my point that in no way is this dongle required to patch these games to run. is this really that hard to grasp? In fact that right there is my entire argument. debunk it and ill by that this dongle has some special purpose in playing these files.
    1. Goku1992's Avatar
      Goku1992 -
      Here is the thing, the dongles are not needed since E3 proved that with their (generous) 2 Free eboots. Which they shot themselves in the foot by doing that.

      Food for thought what makes any other eboots different from the other ones that they released if they needed anything special... wouldn't they need a dongle to run or that Final Fantasy XIII-2 eboot. Sorry to say but it's pure DRM. I mean sure they have the keys and such but they don't need a dongle to make the games work they just choose to make the eboots run on that dongle forcing you to buy it.
    1. ChillyCat's Avatar
      ChillyCat -
      Quote Originally Posted by Warning View Post
      No it is not.


      We know. There's always gonna be the "one" stump that just don't get it.
    1. mad mike 96's Avatar
      mad mike 96 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Goku1992 View Post
      Here is the thing, the dongles are not needed since E3 proved that with their (generous) 2 Free eboots. Which they shot themselves in the foot by doing that.

      Food for thought what makes any other eboots different from the other ones that they released if they needed anything special... wouldn't they need a dongle to run or that Final Fantasy XIII-2 eboot. Sorry to say but it's pure DRM. I mean sure they have the keys and such but they don't need a dongle to make the games work they just choose to make the eboots run on that dongle forcing you to buy it.
      Exactly! simple to the point!

      Though here is a small fact thats kind of counter to my point. The dongle isn't just for decrypting the eboots too. it also does all kinds of security checks to make sure you are on there firmware and not one such as the modified rebug.
    1. krytonic's Avatar
      krytonic -
      Quote Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      *yawn* ... I've already stated what will change my mind.
      What is wrong with some people? Whatever the dongle "processes", the PS3 can process. Is this really that hard for you guys to understand? Or are you just unable to admit you were wrong this whole time? Or do you think the dongles have a magical processor which is the only type of processor in the world that can process the code? Or are you just damn delusional?

      The fact that some people are still behind TB is just sad.
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      Quote Originally Posted by krytonic View Post
      What is wrong with some people? Whatever the dongle "processes", the PS3 can process. Is this really that hard for you guys to understand? Or are you just unable to admit you were wrong this whole time? Or do you think the dongles have a magical processor which is the only type of processor in the world that can process the code? Or are you just damn delusional?

      The fact that some people are still behind TB is just sad.
      What's wrong with me is that I do not know if the Dongle is required for anything other then DRM and until I see proof of Paradox Eboots booting without the Dongle I will not make a foolish assumption. Sure, E3 released some eboots, but we do not know if they are using the exact method TB uses or if they used their reverse engineering to create their own patching methods. These eboots have nothing to do with nor show no evidence that the TB booting/playback process requires the Dongle for anything other then DRM. I also don't own a TB nor plan on obtaining one ever. I do not support their company or product, but what I do have is a critical thinking approach to issues such as this where everything produced by both sides of the issue is mere speculation no matter how much "sense" it makes or how "logical" it seems to be. This doesn't qualify as proof. Oh, I also don't really give a shit if the Dongle is used for pure DRM as it can be compared to many other modification products that contained some form of DRM (there's lots of them). It's just another mod device I've added to my software database, you know, beside the original NeoFlash for the NDS, Doctor V64, SuperMagicom, etc ... (hint: these all have something in common with the TB) ^^
    1. ahou's Avatar
      ahou -
      Quote Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      *yawn* ... I've already stated what will change my mind.
      Would playing a game that normally requires 3.6+ on 3.55 using a decrypted eboot, and no dongle change your mind? Because you can do that right now for more than one game.

      These eboots have nothing to do with nor show no evidence that the TB booting/playback process requires the Dongle for anything other then DRM.
      It probably does. But that's irrelevant. Storing a few kilobytes of data is not a useful feature when every ps3 comes with a minimum of a 20 gb hdd. The only reason the dongle exists is for DRM. It may do other things, but only because they were already selling it for the DRM anyway.
    1. mad mike 96's Avatar
      mad mike 96 -
      Ok brakk3n last time I'm going to point this out without just flaming you for it.

      IF you wish to see a PARADOX EBOOT run without a true blue then go get your hands on a JBKing or the PB2. either device will run paradox eboots just fine. As I said the dongle is nothing but DRM. A decrypted eboot is a decrypted eboot. this code can be patched in any way we wish including to add this layer of DRM to there eboots to prevent us from running them without there stuff. The True Blue may very easily have a few other things that it does but as was stated there is nothing the device is doing that the ps3 it's self cant do with a properly patched eboot. such as the ones released by E3. I'm not saying e3 will release more dongle free eboots in fact I can almost guarentee that wont happen. My point is that these files once decrypted are patched such that they require the dongle to run. this is done so the team can make money. I assure you anything this device does at startup can be done to the system with a simple coreOS mod. As I stated the only reason we can't duplicate the function of the dongle is wae are unable to actually decrypt the eboots once signed with the PARADOX key. If we were able to determine the key paradox uses to resign these eboots we would be able to decrypt them our selves and resign them with the 3.55 keys and they would run. This isn't an assumption it's fact. to patch the eboot it must be decrypted. ok so PARADOX is decrypting them clearly. Since they have been decrypted they can be patched to run on CFW just as the Anon hacker that released those two eboots. ok so they patch the files but wait. these patched files can be run on any 3.55 machine. I want something for my work. True blue dongle is created to serve as a DRM on these patched eboots money made.

      and that isn't speculation. Fact of the matter is a decrypted eboot can be freely patched to run on 3.55 and True Blue claims out right that they are DECRYPTING these eboots! Do I really need to say more?


      As for weather you care or not thats not what I'm getting at. I frankly don't own a true blue either I purchased a second PS3 to play my new games.
    1. krytonic's Avatar
      krytonic -
      brakk3n seriously... You're beyond hope. As said above TB said THEMSELF they are decrypting the eboots. Any console can play decrypted eboots which are then then resigned for 3.55 this is fact not speculation.

      Also I don't ever remember saying that TB was the first DRM device for a console to play pirated games?