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  • RUMORS/FACTS - New TB Dongle, E3 Announcement, New Team ?!?!

    When the PS3 scene heats up, boy does it heat up. The internet is filled with rumors in the air, and hard to find facts here and there. Let's start with the new TB dongle; rumor for now, or at least all speculations. Lightake had posted a comment on their website, saying there was going to be a new replacement dongle coming soon, and goes even farther to say that the dongle will have additional support features. Does this mean TB Dongle v2.0, or does this just mean they are simply revising their dongle once again (TB Dongle v1.4?)?

    True Blue JB2 was stopped producing but a newer replace DRM dongle with build-in ndw function will be released in July, please pay close attention to TB official site news update in recent days. Anyone who wants to talk about the upcoming dongle, just visit our forum via this link:
    Also, I have received some more information from vitarelis, where a moderator for Lightake said the following:

    I must say sorry to you guys because we suddenly received the notice, not only lightake but all shops have to stop selling TRUE BLUE JB2 Dongle. Now we got two choices: 1. keep waiting for ship the newest DRM dongle instead of the old one when it's released in July; 2. contact our customer service for a refund. BTW,We have pre-ordered hundreds of new dongle, lightake will get the first batch of goods in stock then.

    Perhaps this does meaning TB is gearing up for round 2 of the dongle wars. TB vs E3 coming soon to theater near you (hint: it's a drama . But competition can be good, so let's get on to E3. The scene's inside connection with the underground teams, GaryOPA, has stated the following:

    As I will be posting some great E3 news later this week. Also there been alot of work behind the scenes from three different groups in bringing finally some action to the ones that can't downgrade or are stuck on non-jailbreak-able market. -- The market for 3.55 is growing smaller everyday.
    He mentions a third team, and I do not think he is talking about Cobra. I wonder who it will be. And as for the news, we will just have to wait and see. Here is some more information on E3, and the future of the scene, that I have put together.

    E3, a team that has been in the scene since the late 3.41 JB era of the PS3, which has went on to develop methods to downgrades, and dual boot your consoles. We recently told you they were back, and better than ever before; meaning this time they brought gifts. And they also brought a list of goals which included bringing more EBOOT patches that anyone can, plus they have stated they are developing the next 4.20+ CFW themselves.

    For those of you who were late for show, this scene really began when a dongle called the PS Jailbreak was released (which luckily was reversed pretty quickly), which helped users exploit the PS3 farther by releasing the first CFWs. These CFWs for 3.55 were put together but team work and communication, and now to this day it is what users have on their PS3s.

    Now, it seems getting past the "4.11" hurdle has been everyone's attempt at their claim to fame, but with a team that works so closely with the PS3 consoles by offering multiple tools to the sceners.

    Now here is where the tricky part comes in. For those of you who where with me when Sony started the lawsuit frenzy against PS Jailbreak, you know the PS3-Scene was in no way drama related; it was not until the free CFW came out that the scene filled with anger and hate. If this team does break that 4.11 barrier, a lot of people are going to be running to the scene to see what is happening.

    I am predicting it, just look at my avatar, the year is PSX-SCENE a.d. v0.2!

    And then when people have everything once again... are they still going to complain? Why they f***ing hate?!?!? At the end of the day, Sony is just going to try to patch the exploit, and people will start to whine and leave.

    tthousand's tthoughts - I have been done with buying dongles for a long time now (last was Cobra), I would rather donate to the individuals helping make the scene dongle free. Devs likes CrashSerious, and oxt0xor. It is a shame with so many people using all the advances in the scene, these people who contribute absolute masterpieces do not get more credit(card) for their work. I think it is time we start thinking of better ways to promote our developers, that is the only way we can enhance the scene. Otherwise it is what it is, puzzled.

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    Comments 134 Comments
    1. Syafiq2357's Avatar
      Syafiq2357 -
      A sentence in the article interests me: it was not until the free CFW came out that the scene filled with anger and hate.

      Haters seem to forget the reason people buy the (current) TB dongle:
      Because there was absolutely no other way, up until recently, to play newer games other than by installing OFW or buying an Xbox 360 (not many PS3 exclusive TB games).
      So you hate DRM dongles, but you can't deny the fact. Like someone once said, you are not forced to buy DRM dongles, and idealistic devs like good guy oct0xor can benefit from them.

      Yes, most pirated their newer games, but some did not. Me, I'm not rich and I live in a country where pirated materials rule the market, but I'll buy a legal copy of a game whose quality deserve to be bought just to show support for the game devs. But I will not leave CFW and its many features, plus I don't like to play online anyway.

      Now IF, and only IF there would be no other way to play ripped/backed up future PS3 exclusives like The Last of Us and The Last Guardian except with the new TB/E3 dongle, then I'll buy it. Simple as that. But I hope the situation's not like what it used to be.
    1. chibiwings's Avatar
      chibiwings -
      Perhaps every devs and ps3 forums knows that there is a complete solution on this PS3 CFW. don't you get it?.. every devs are just shutting their mouth about it... perhaps the risks or all about the "MONEY" they can make out of it.... its just this peeps fueling the "PS3 DRAMA". now tell me its not true?... if they really care about the Ps3 Scene or if they have this old school hacker morals..it should have been released for ages ago.. these people are smart and intelligent and they know that there is someone who's willing to shell out a penny for a quick fix that's why this petty solutions are coming out. Now if no one is buying their petty solutions and their scripts that's fueling their soap opera on this scene, Ps3 have been cracked open publicly..
      just what i think ..
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      Quote Originally Posted by ahou View Post
      Have you just not bothered to read anything about the TB before? It's pure drm. They decrypt the eboots, and reencrypt them with their own key. If they did not reencrypt them, you could use them just fine on any cfw. This isn't speculation, it's been known since day one.
      Yes, I've read plenty and there is no evidence to backup these claims. A few articles by envious or completely full of crap groups have claimed to explain the process, but all I read was a bunch of text - no code; no binaries. Just text. When I see a Paradox TB eboot booting a game without the TB dongle then I will consider the matter closed. Until then what you mentioned is pure speculation no matter how much it seems to make sense.
    1. ahou's Avatar
      ahou -
      Quote Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      Yes, I've read plenty and there is no evidence to backup these claims.
      Apparently not enough.
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      Quote Originally Posted by ahou View Post
      Apparently not enough.
      I'm sorry that I don't buy into speculation and theories that come from people whose agenda is to bash a product they dislike.

      If they know how it works then where is the proof? Where is a working POC? Surely if you know how something works you could duplicate it.

      I have an open mind; point me to this proof you speak about.
    1. ahou's Avatar
      ahou -
      Where is a working POC? Surely if you know how something works you could duplicate it.
      No, that's not how it works. We have no idea how they decrypted the eboots, simply that they did.

      There is nothing a dongle can do that cannot be done purely with software.
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      Quote Originally Posted by ahou View Post
      No, that's not how it works. We have no idea how they decrypted the eboots, simply that they did.

      There is nothing a dongle can do that cannot be done purely with software.
      Sure they decrypted them, but what happens after that and does what happens next require hardware?

      Until you show me proof that the hardware is not needed I will keep my stance on the matter which is "it may or may not be required".

      Your speak is too generalized and has no subsistence to back it up with which is a prime example of the logic TB haters utilize.

      I got you number and don't bother replying until you have proof.
    1. mad mike 96's Avatar
      mad mike 96 -
      So you wanna see a paradox eboot load without a true blue get a JBKing! there you have it brakk3n

      Dude you sit here acting like you know what you are talking about but the moment you open your mouth you prove otherwise. so I advice you just keep it closed. The device is nothing more than a DRM device to decrypt and enable the reading of the eboots. If you look at the dumped payloads it's clear that the damn thing is simply a Decryption device riddled with tons of security features....

      and FYI a decrypted EBOOT is a raw piece of sony code that can be resigned using the available private keys. this means that once resigned it is a fully functional 3.55 eboot the only reason these resigned eboots wont work without a DRM dongle is that they have been encrypted by a 3rd party with a key known only to them and the dongle is used to decrypt them. learn how the damn console works before you sit here spewing shit out the mouth. If you want proof of this it's in the fact that true blue and all others that have released a recent game patch have had to decrypt them first!!!!! the eboots are signed for 3.6 it isn't some special magic that decrypts them It's PARADOX and the method the have. PARADOX and true blue then resign these decrypted eboots with there own unknown private key. these eboots then are decrypted in run time by the true blue dongle. Simple simple simple. as for the methods used to decrypt there eboots thats the real puzzle.
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      lol now you have 2
    1. mad mike 96's Avatar
      mad mike 96 -
      I hope that that will put to rest this crap about the true blue. as you said they decrypted the eboots. once it's decrypted it's raw sony code that can be modified as the person who decrypts it sees fit. this raw code can be read and executed by any ps3 once signed for the firmware version it's being run on. so the people who say they know how it works aren't all a bunch of jealous liars m8. Some of them are actually just brilliant minds. Like I said it's not how the dongle works that need figuring out but rather how they are decrypting these eboots to modify because by being able to decrypt our own eboots we can get away from the true blue completely.
    1. ahou's Avatar
      ahou -
      Quote Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      Sure they decrypted them, but what happens after that and does what happens next require hardware?
      After that, nothing. You load up the game. The same way you can run any game with a decrypted eboot.

      If you want proof that nothing is required to run a game with a decrypted eboot, go run ff13-2.
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      Hmm not all patches are just EBOOTs & PARAMs so I'm guessing that's not all there is to it
    1. krytonic's Avatar
      krytonic -
      Guys, if they have not decrypted the eboots WHY encrypt them with their own key? Like I said, denial. It is common knowlege that any PS3 can play any decrypted eboot. Again, denial.

      Also, your ham sandwich cost half the price of TB? So you pay $30 for a ham sandwich? Seriously?
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      must have been a damn good sandwich
    1. krytonic's Avatar
      krytonic -
      Quote Originally Posted by bitsbubba View Post
      must have been a damn good sandwich
      Yeah he better of gotten mayo with it.
    1. gDrive's Avatar
      gDrive -
      Quote Originally Posted by jalaneme View Post
      I hope trueblue stick thier dongle up thier ASS (i couldn't play sonic generations the other day because of thier stupid dongle and i was MAD) and screw xbox 360 i'm getting a pc and thats way better than any console, you don't have to wait for anything and there are tons of emulators on the pc plus loads of gaming mods too, so i can't wait.
      Haha I'm enjoying my gaming PC as well - good luck jumping onto the PC gaming bandwagon!
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      Quote Originally Posted by mad mike 96 View Post
      So you wanna see a paradox eboot load without a true blue get a JBKing!
      Funny guy.

      @ The Rest of The People Addressing Me

      I understand that there are methods for booting higher firmware eboots on lower firmware machines that do not require hardware, but that is not what I am addressing. I'm stating the way Paradox & TB boot games in still unknown and I'm talking about the whole process from A-Z. The Dongle might be used for something other then DRM (dare I speculate and look back at other Dongles that did serve a purpose other them DRM) or it may be not. This fellow that dumped the cheating dongle claims to have broken the TB security and if/when he releases it and it doesn't require some sort of DIY Dongle and it boots the existing eboots then I will have my answer. Until then you see with all these posts that speculating is pointlessly boring. I also agree that instead of wasting time getting TB eboots to boot that figuring out a way to sign your own would be best.

      The ham sandwich was made with a lot of fresh garden food that I didn't grow. It had plenty of mayo made by a local place that has an olive orchard so I had very, very fresh olive oil mayonnaise with a touch of freshly ground ginger. Damnit, now I'm hungry!
    1. gDrive's Avatar
      gDrive -
      Quote Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      Funny guy.

      @ The Rest of The People Addressing Me

      I understand that there are methods for booting higher firmware eboots on lower firmware machines that do not require hardware, but that is not what I am addressing. I'm stating the way Paradox & TB boot games in still unknown and I'm talking about the whole process from A-Z. The Dongle might be used for something other then DRM (dare I speculate and look back at other Dongles that did serve a purpose other them DRM) or it may be not. This fellow that dumped the cheating dongle claims to have broken the TB security and if/when he releases it and it doesn't require some sort of DIY Dongle and it boots the existing eboots then I will have my answer. Until then you see with all these posts that speculating is pointlessly boring. I also agree that instead of wasting time getting TB eboots to boot that figuring out a way to sign your own would be best.

      The ham sandwich was made with a lot of fresh garden food that I didn't grow. It had plenty of mayo made by a local place that has an olive orchard so I had very, very fresh olive oil mayonnaise with a touch of freshly ground ginger. Damnit, now I'm hungry!
      Damn you and your foodgasms!
    1. krytonic's Avatar
      krytonic -
      Quote Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      Funny guy.

      @ The Rest of The People Addressing Me

      I understand that there are methods for booting higher firmware eboots on lower firmware machines that do not require hardware, but that is not what I am addressing. I'm stating the way Paradox & TB boot games in still unknown and I'm talking about the whole process from A-Z. The Dongle might be used for something other then DRM (dare I speculate and look back at other Dongles that did serve a purpose other them DRM) or it may be not. This fellow that dumped the cheating dongle claims to have broken the TB security and if/when he releases it and it doesn't require some sort of DIY Dongle and it boots the existing eboots then I will have my answer. Until then you see with all these posts that speculating is pointlessly boring. I also agree that instead of wasting time getting TB eboots to boot that figuring out a way to sign your own would be best.

      The ham sandwich was made with a lot of fresh garden food that I didn't grow. It had plenty of mayo made by a local place that has an olive orchard so I had very, very fresh olive oil mayonnaise with a touch of freshly ground ginger. Damnit, now I'm hungry!
      If it was another method, TB wouldn't have to encrypt the eboots with their own key. Even if the eboot needs to be processed before booted, the PS3's processor is more than capable of processing whatever code before booting the game. See? Dongle not needed. It isn't just speculation.

      That does sound like a damn good sandwich! I have a friend who is a farmer, who has pigs so I get the BEST sausages... Seriously... I always loved sausages from a shop/butchers, but then found out how horrid they really are ones I had my mates sausages! Not only that, but his sausages are also huge and juicy Is so tempting to buy half a pig off him, if only I had the room...

      Quote Originally Posted by gDrive View Post
      Damn you and your foodgasms!
      yeah the saliva glands in my mouth came.
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      Quote Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      The ham sandwich was made with a lot of fresh garden food that I didn't grow. It had plenty of mayo made by a local place that has an olive orchard so I had very, very fresh olive oil mayonnaise with a touch of freshly ground ginger. Damnit, now I'm hungry!
      Damn it now so am I :€
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