PS4: No CD & SACD Support - Who Cares?

[Gradius]

FLAC forever!

[amp2006]

yea even my car has a cd i dont even use it .lol so who cares about the CD

[diegsmoran]

I think that sure even though for ps3 and in general from all your replies that it wasn't really used for its CD support but it's still used and having another size besides 4.7gb is always useful and enjoyable. I do think this was a Flop on Sony's end. Why so many disputes when it would be a simple fix to put it in?

[cyberwolves]

audio cd playback is actually quite useful, in my case it was, i had a album that when you put in a cd drive will not rip the audio files to the hard drive no matter what, i put the same cd into my ps3 and it bypassed the copy protection completly i was then able to put the mp3s on my ipod, so a cd feature is still useful to bypass drm on cds, i wouldn't say "who cares?" in any case.

dUde ya caN easily rip ur audio cd in windows media player ..

[Connery]

There are lots of ignorant folks out there as I see...
As for me, I'm happy enough to own a CECHC04 model which is the only PS3 PAL model (there are two other NTSC PS3s which can do that) and maybe the only consumer device available which can rip SACDs.

[BahumatLord]

You might as well ask why doesn't it play 8 tracks or cassettes. Outdated formats

[l_oliveira]

There are lots of ignorant folks out there as I see...
As for me, I'm happy enough to own a CECHC04 model which is the only PS3 PAL model (there are two other NTSC PS3s which can do that) and maybe the only consumer device available which can rip SACDs.

CECHC = CECHE

Only difference is harddrive size. 60GB vs 80GB...

Also about corporate greed, PS2 back compat being removed only to be re-added later with a full software emulator, encrypted memory cards/ ISO data and isolation, just to cage the emulation up and make people forget that it could be playing the games from REAL DISCS if SONY wanted it to ...

Now, that's corporate greed. Of course, they want to make up in money for the time they spent developing the emulator ....

[rommy667]

I agree cds are well gone,in fact in the 3 yrs ive had ps3 ive never even put a blueray film in it and i never will.

[STLcardsWS]

You might as well ask why doesn't it play 8 tracks or cassettes. Outdated formats

I disagree there you will have a hard time finding " 8 tracks or cassettes" in a new vehicle . As strange as it may sound to some there are New cars that have CD players installed. So with that said there may be more premium formats but its not dead..

Also artist still sell CDs in stores. you dont find many "8 tracks" for sale so IMO its not the same thing.

Also one must think about the world as well and not just your region some places CD audio is the premium even over digital content.

No one is going to put 80 minutes worth of music on a Blu-Ray disc. So if your not selling digital your still selling CDs as that is the best format still for a normal album of your favorite artist. Yes overall CDs sales are WAY down then they were years ago but its still a viable format that still has it use even in todays market. .

Just like anything books/games/music some people want/prefer the hard copy and not a digital copy.

CECHC = CECHE
Now, that's corporate greed. Of course, they want to make up in money for the time they spent developing the emulator ....

Look at PC emulators done by people. They didnt have to spend million or even thousands of dollars to create. For multi-billion dollar company they don't need to make up much there. like i said previously in this thread they spend more on a corporate lunch.. Thats why they prefer emulation verus hardware because is a FAR CHEAPER solution.

[l_oliveira]

Look at PC emulators done by people. They didnt have to spend million or even thousands of dollars to create. For multi-billion dollar company they don't need to make up much there. like i said previously in this thread they spend more on a corporate lunch.. Thats why they prefer emulation verus hardware because is a FAR CHEAPER solution.

Well I don't know how you understand what I mentioned here, but I should tell you I don't agree with their instance of not giving the PS2 functionality for everyone.
They did the exact same thing in 2003 when they released the PS2 SCPH-5000x series. They added progressive scan as one of the features for the new DVD player 3.xx but put code to detect the type of PS2 hardware that is executing it. Should it detect that the console is older than SCPH-5000x the progressive scan feature is removed from the options list.

Corporate greed at it's best.

[Connery]

CECHC = CECHE
Only difference is harddrive size. 60GB vs 80GB...

Well, you're almost right.
Yes, the hard drive size is different and they can both play SACDs but as far as I know the CECHE model was not released in Europe/Middle East/Africa (Region suffix 04) but only in regions 01, 05, 06, 11 and 12.
The CECHC on the other hand was released in regions 02, 03, 04 and 08.
I also think that they have a different number of heatpipes in their cooling systems, the C having 5 and the E having 2 heatpipes. That, of course, has no relevance to the SACD issue.

[yes159]

Look at PC emulators done by people. They didnt have to spend million or even thousands of dollars to create. For multi-billion dollar company they don't need to make up much there. like i said previously in this thread they spend more on a corporate lunch.. Thats why they prefer emulation verus hardware because is a FAR CHEAPER solution.

This is a different situation though. The reason why it didnt cost those guys millions of dollars is because they did it as a hobby in their spare time. I think it will be very hard to find some people who are willing to write a closed source emulator for Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony (no way that they publically release their own emulators as open source), using maybe several of years doing that and not getting payed for it at all. If someone is going to do that kind of work for a company, i'm sure that they would want a full salary for it.

Making an emulator also variates a lot from which system thats going to be emulated. It takes a lot more work to write an emulator for some system than others. Sega Saturn and Dreamcast are still not 100% properly emulated just to take two examples. And it can take years to complete these things. I think it took about 10 years to get PCSX2 (a PS2 emulator) up to release version 1.0.

If there is going to be an official emulator released for PS4 (or whatever console for that matter), they also have to make sure that it works fine. They cant release some very early alpha/beta version of it. Sony cant say "the PS4 will play PS3 games", and at launch maybe 3-4 PS3 games will work because the emulator isnt ready developed. That would probably piss a lot of people off, thinking that pretty much all PS3 will work.

Personally i would not call this for corporate greed. I think it is understandable reasons why they wouldnt used a lot of time and money on something and then give it away for free. All companies are trying to make money afterall, so it would only make sense for them to do something like this if they could profit on it in the long run. I could see it being corporate greed if there was an already made solution for it that cost them nothing extra, but then they charged a lot of money for it afterall, but that is not the case in this specific case.


EDIT: Another thing to concider when the companies should make an emulator of an older system, is that this could take valuable resources away from other stuff. Lets say that they take 10 people to make a PS3 software emulator for the PS4 (if it is possible), then it means that there are 10 less people who can work on other stuff for the PS4. Otherwise they would have to hire in 10 new people, and that cost extra money.

I think that we will at least see a digitally downloaded PS1 backward compability at least. We saw that on PSP, PS3 and Vita at least, so i'm guessing it might be available for the PS4 as well

[l_oliveira]

Well, you're almost right.
Yes, the hard drive size is different and they can both play SACDs but as far as I know the CECHE model was not released in Europe/Middle East/Africa (Region suffix 04) but only in regions 01, 05, 06, 11 and 12.
The CECHC on the other hand was released in regions 02, 03, 04 and 08.
I also think that they have a different number of heatpipes in their cooling systems, the C having 5 and the E having 2 heatpipes. That, of course, has no relevance to the SACD issue.

Neither matters on the fact that both versions use the same motherboard and only slight difference is that they will have different hardware IDs on the flash, due to the different "CECH" code.

And no, I've seen CECHE units with both types of heatpipes. It has only to do with when they were built. There's no NTSC CECHC units and for that I should indeed agree with you. But CECHE and CECHC were manufactured almost at the same time.