PS3 Official Firmware v4.10

[Darkman-PSG]

@BahumatLord
Once again its not that serious I doubt u gunna buy a PS4 anyway. Anyways yes Sony are assholes but we love them -.- I dont care for them as a company but I <3 their products. Furthermore nobody hated Sony until the hacking scene began. All of this "freedom" but plz you own a PS3 and you can do what you want to it as long as u keep it to yourself and don't tell anyone. Anyhoo Sony can be a dick at times but you cant deny they are still the best console out of the three and still king of the handhelds. Just deal w. it like seriously its a regular TOS/Agreement that nobody "including me" read anyway

[yes159]

EULAs are not above the law, so if you see something in an EULA that isnt legal, then you dont have to worry about it. EULAs like this is also very common, it has been like this for years, so it is nothing new really.

[RandQalan]

I hate to say this but this all began with the PSx

Like for example

Bleem was a promising commercial Playstation emulator which first appeared in 1999. It was a relatively small emulator which could run many games pretty fast. Two versions of Bleem were available, a demo version (available below) and the full version which required a CD key to function.

David vs. Goliath
Because Bleem tried to commercially exploit it's Playstation emulator, it was a prime target for Sony (the creators of the Playstation) to sue. After all in Bleem's case there was an actual entity to sue (the company) whereas the authors of freeware emulators are much harder to sue because it's not always clear who "owns" freeware emulators.

Bleemcast
One of the last products Bleem released was Bleemcast, an emulator for the Dreamcast which allowed owners of Sega's Dreamcast to play a few popular Playstation games on it. Unfortunately the Dreamcast was abandoned by it's creator, Sega, which left Bleemcast without a system to run on.

Gone the way of the Dodo
Although Bleem won most of the lawsuits launched against it by Sony, Bleem lost a lot of time and money in court due to these lawsuits. Combined with the lack of succes of their Bleemcast product and the fact that many gamers were moving on to newer, better systems eventually lead to Bleem's demise. As of November 2001, Bleem is no more.

What's left
Below you can find the Bleem demo, to see what Bleem once was. If you want the full version you might be able find it discounted in some shops or as abandonware on some websites. Additionally if you are one of the owners of a Bleem CD key, you might be able to find the last beta versions and use them (version 1.6a, 1.6b).

[Darkman-PSG]

Still...there are thousands of EULAS worse than this and really it wouldnt effect people at all that is on a CFW so why hate on something that you cant agree to anyway?

[RandQalan]

I don't hate S hardware in the slightest but their business with public relations is getting out of hand and like I posted on the other post of mine giving my personal information without consent is going to far to me

[BahumatLord]

Why wouldn't I buy a PS4? I've owned every game console since the atari 2600 at some point or another - even the 3DO, NeoGeo Gold, CD-I and TurboDuo. Yes, I like Sony products. You're right that it's not gonna effect me because I'm not on PSN and have no intention of ever going back (as I mentioned earlier). Yes, there are worse EULAS out there and yes, people are going to blindly accept them time and time again. That's where I have a problem with it. There is going to come a tipping point where the consumer has no rights whatsoever because people have the mindset that "oh, it's only a small change, I guess it's ok" or like you said don't bother to read it at all and just hit accept. That's fine to do once or twice, but these "minor changes" will continue to add up to something bigger than what we're looking at right now. I probably put a little too much exaggeration on it to make my point, but the point is still a valid one

[yes159]

I hate to say this but this all began with the PSx

What are you referring to with "this all began"? You have earlier cases before this, like Sega VS Accolade for example:

Sega v. Accolade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bleemcast
One of the last products Bleem released was Bleemcast, an emulator for the Dreamcast which allowed owners of Sega's Dreamcast to play a few popular Playstation games on it. Unfortunately the Dreamcast was abandoned by it's creator, Sega, which left Bleemcast without a system to run on.

I dont think the death of the Dreamcast had much effect on Bleemcast. Bleemcast still worked on all the already sold Dreamcast consoles.

[RandQalan]

All your said is true but I was pointing out S move to nullify the right of the consumer

and DC Bleemcast could have been better if S wouldn't have drained the company but it is history now

[Darkman-PSG]

@BahumatLord
Oh I see so you are buying 1. Anyways I do see your point and yeah its pretty bad some parts I'm even horrified that they can do that legally but at the end of the day its kinda their servers their rules the only way it would change if 80% of the player base don't accept their EULA and complain about it then Sony wouldnt do it but the problem here is mostly people that deal with the PS3 scene would be aware of it and the typical gamer wouldn't care and just click accept. I admit most video game EULAS I don't read but anyways the truth on why they do this is because of the hackers I never had to worry about any of this shit and constant updating only because of the hackers.

No Linux? Blame Geohot
Crazy EULAS? Blame Hackers
Constant Firmware updates? Blame hackers

Its the hackers fault lol its like saying I own a computer but I have the right to hack into the Pentagon servers because I can do "what I want" with it. See my point? All of this madness came after PS Jailbreak in 2010.

[RandQalan]

I like your last point Darkman but giving permission on our info is pushing it to far way to far I say
But you are right most people follow the leader and will not read what they are giving away
That is sad but we are animals too

[Darkman-PSG]

@RandQalan
Thanks but yeah some parts on the EULA is unnecessary but hence reason why they get away with this because most people don't complain about it. Remember Linux as I recall only 5 people was in the Lawsuit but if 80% of the player base was upset Linux would be back. But the real reason is because of the PS Jailbreak if memory served me well back in the day you can go on PSN regardless on what firmware you are on. Hackers helped and destroyed the scene at the same time think about what I just said.

[RandQalan]

Yea hacker may cause this change but without those same hackers we would not have CFW what a conundrum

[BahumatLord]

you can't compare running custom firmware to hacking the pentagon. Now who's exaggerating? And no, this updated EULA has nothing to do with hackers. They are saying either we can give out your personal info to anyone we care to, and by the way, we won't tell you who we're giving the info to or you can't play on our servers and we will no longer provide support via game updates, system updates, etc. It's a power play - simple as that

[RandQalan]

Who knows maybe in a few years the S will go the way if Atari but not if everyone follows the leader
The power play seams to be S game for awhile now but put up or get out is the only 2 ways to proceed
and that sucks a lot in my opinion but everything has an end just like a beginning

[yes159]

All your said is true but I was pointing out S move to nullify the right of the consumer

and DC Bleemcast could have been better if S wouldn't have drained the company but it is history now

I understand. But i dont think that the Bleemcast trial has much to do with the rights of the consumers though. If i'm not mistaken, the reason why Sony sued the guys behind Bleemcast was because Sony ment that Bleemcast was using PS1 code. I guess it is somewhat similar to the Sega VS Accolade case.

[Darkman-PSG]

@RandQalan
Reasons why hackers killed the scene
1. Ps Jailbreak was before its time they could have waited
2. Hackers ran thier mouth too much on what they did and how they did it
3. Hackers had to be known for what they are working on
4. They released things way too soon
5. They dont know how to stay anonymous

This is why Dark Alex was king he just released whatever it was without explaining what he done

@BahumatLord

Yeah bad example but basically its like saying just because you own a ps3 doesn't really give you the right to try to pirate games off of it. But Sony is wrong but eh nobody is really complaining they are too busy playing games online See my point on my last part? But all of this came after PS Jailbreak though.

[RandQalan]

Yea the bios code was used I think and that is what got them in for it by S
but to bad what could have be is sad DC full PSX would have been nice but dream on huh

[RandQalan]

@RandQalan
Reasons why hackers killed the scene
1. Ps Jailbreak was before its time they could have waited
2. Hackers ran thier mouth too much on what they did and how they did it
3. Hackers had to be known for what they are working on
4. They released things way too soon
5. They dont know how to stay anonymous

This is why Dark Alex was king he just released whatever it was without explaining what he done

@BahumatLord

Yeah bad example but basically its like saying just because you own a ps3 doesn't really give you the right to try to pirate games off of it. But Sony is wrong but eh nobody is really complaining they are too busy playing games online See my point on my last part? But all of this came after PS Jailbreak though.

Yea but look how it is now everyone want this update to work now and complete with all games so when is the right time when PS3 is forgotten by S or mid or beginning?
Well now is not the debate it is too late

[BahumatLord]

I'm not talking about custom firmware vs official firmware. Take custom firmware and hackers out of the equation and look at it as Sony vs the everyday, completely legit user. Even if you look at it like they say I can't use 3rd party hardware (hard drives, controllers, memory cards, etc) and that you no longer have any kind of privacy or recourse if your account is stolen. This isn't directed at hackers or people on custom firmware. This is directed at everyone. So what you're saying is you have no problem giving up your rights so you can play a game online? Personally, I don't think my privacy or my right to choose which peripherals I use is up for trade for any reason. do you see my point?

[Darkman-PSG]

@RandQalan
Lol yeah but that why this scene was short lived. Imagine that you just had a system of winning the Lottery and only you knew it once you reveal the system everybody gunna be doing it and now the Lottery officials are going to change it. Now your system isnt worth a damn. Thats what happened hackers ran their mouth too much on what they did. Hence Sony knew what to patch. If Failoverflow never said they found the keys Sony would of never fixed that error but NO what do they do. Well everyone knows hecne is why there will never be a CFW over 3.56 Failoverflow and Geohots ego are the main reason why this scene was short lived. Atleast True Blue know how to secure their dongle and keep their mouths shut. I like their style anyways

On topic: Sony only do this because of the events of what happened August 2010 and the events that occured after