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  • OtherOS Removal Case: Just for the Money?

    Recently, an amendment was filed in the OtherOS removal case. The new amendment clearly suggests that Sony's removal for OtherOS was not due to security concerns, which were previously pointed out by Geohot. Instead the issue at hand, was a financial issue the company supposedly did not want to bear.


    Quoted below :

    The Amended Complaint claims that Sony Computer Entertainment America didn’t remove OtherOS functionality due to security concerns. It had other options, if security had been the real issue. It was done, they claim, for financial reasons, and that Sony’s justification for the removal of Linux functionality was “false”, chosen so Sony could rely on the wording of various terms. They also point a finger at IBM, claiming that possibly IBM was not happy about the military using PS3s for clustering, instead of buying IBM Blades servers:


    159. SCEA suggested initially that the removal of the “Other OS” function from the “fat” models in April 2010 was for security and intellectual property reasons.

    160. On its website, SCEA wrote: Why did you delete the “Other OS” feature?

    A. To protect the intellectual property of the content offered on the PS3 system as well as to provide a more secure system for those users who are enjoying games and other entertainment content on the PS3 system, we have decided to delete the feature to address security vulnerabilities of the system.

    161. This statement is a fabrication. SCEA gave these reasons as a pretext so that it could attempt to argue that the Warranty, SSLA, and/or TOS allowed for the removal of the “Other OS” feature. In reality, SCEI and SCEA removed this feature because it was expensive to maintain (as they previously admitted when the feature was removed from the “slim” models – but which they conveniently removed from SCEA’s website); they were losing money on every PS3 unit sold (due to poor decisions in the planning and design of the Cell chip as noted above and given the PS3’s extra features); SCEA needed to promote and sell games to make their money back on the loss-leading PS3 consoles (and there was no profit in users utilizing the computer functions of the PS3); and IBM wanted to sell its expensive servers utilizing the Cell processor (users could cluster PS3s for the same purposes much less expensively).
    Full Excerpt Below :

    SCEA’s purported Justifications for Removal were False

    159. SCEA suggested initially that the removal of the “Other OS” function from the “fat” models in April 2010 was for security and intellectual property reasons.

    160. On its website, SCEA wrote: Why did you delete the “Other OS” feature?

    A. To protect the intellectual property of the content offered on the PS3 system as well as to provide a more secure system for those users who are enjoying games and other entertainment content on the PS3 system, we have decided to delete the feature to address security vulnerabilities of the system.

    161. This statement is a fabrication. SCEA gave these reasons as a pretext so that it could attempt to argue that the Warranty, SSLA, and/or TOS allowed for the removal of the “Other OS” feature. In reality, SCEI and SCEA removed this feature because it was expensive to maintain (as they previously admitted when the feature was removed from the “slim” models – but which they conveniently removed from SCEA’s website); they were losing money on every PS3 unit sold (due to poor decisions in the planning and design of the Cell chip as noted above and given the PS3’s extra features); SCEA needed to promote and sell games to make their money back on the loss-leading PS3 consoles (and there was no profit in users utilizing the computer functions of the PS3); and IBM wanted to sell its expensive servers utilizing the Cell processor (users could cluster PS3s for the same purposes much less expensively).

    162. SCEA has never revealed how its “intellectual property” would be unprotected through the use of Linux on the PS3. Moreover, the utilization of Linux did not make the PS3 less “secure.”

    163. It is virtually impossible to use the “Other OS” for piracy because the PS3 is specifically designed to avoid allowing piracy through using the “Other OS” feature. When the “Other OS” feature is enabled, the software prevents the proper operation of the gaming feature to avoid allowing the features to interplay. In order for a hacker to pirate a game, it is necessary to perfectly emulate the operating system for which the game is designed, including the API, which is the interface for the game OS that supports all of the features of a game. However, when the Other OS is in use, the API and other hardware features are blocked, including the graphics chip in the PS3, which makes it impossible to run a pirated game on the Other OS. As of January 2011, Sony had yet to identify a single instance in which someone used the Other OS to pirate protected content.

    164. Blu-Ray piracy using the Other OS was not a unique threat. In order to pirate a Blu-Ray disc, a hacker requires a secret code or key; with that key, a hacker can pirate a Blu-Ray using a PC or a PS3 or any other computer – there is nothing unique about the PS3 in this regard.

    165. In the AV Watch article discussed supra, Takase-San also commented on security not being an issue by saying: “That with respect to the Other OS security becomes the hole, but with the PS3 very firm security measures are being done, presently there is no such problem. If anything, support power is lightened.”

    166. In short, SCEA has offered no valid security justifications for removing the Other OS feature. The PS3 became subject to hacking after SCEA removed the “Other OS” feature and angry users sought ways to have their advertised and paid for features turned back on.

    167. Further, in February 2011, well after the Other OS feature was removed, it was a Sony employee who “tweeted” (sent a message via Twitter) the code that allowed users to get around the protections that prevent the PS3 from playing pirated games.

    168. It was only on February 16, 2011, that SCEA announced that “[u]nauthorized circumvention devices for the PlayStation 3 system have been recently released by hackers.” Notably, this was only after SCEA had removed the “Other OS” feature and then tweeted the PS3’s anti-circumvention codes to the world.

    169. SCEA could have taken other steps that were less intrusive than removing an advertised function of the device if security truly were a concern. Indeed, SCEA revealed that it had the capacity to monitor PS3 systems using “hacking” software and would remove those consoles from its PSN if they violated the TOS. In its February announcement, SCEA stated: “Consumers using circumvention devices or running unauthorized or pirated software will have access to the PlayStation Network and access to Qriocity services through PlayStation 3 system terminated permanently.”

    170. Thus, if any security concerns truly did exist at the time that justified SCEA’s removal of the “Other OS” feature, it could have taken alternative steps at that time and barred “hackers” or “jailbroken” consoles from the PSN as opposed to removing the “Other OS” feature for all users. 171. Instead, the true reason SCEI, SCEA and Sony removed the “Other OS” feature was because of financial concerns.

    172. Initially priced at $599 (much more than its competitors), SCEA was losing money on every PS3 console sold. In 2006, isuppli.com estimated that it cost Sony $806 to produce each PS3. That meant that each console sold resulted in a net loss to SCEI and SCEA of over $200.

    173. SCEA priced the PS3 with the expectation that it would make back the money lost on the console through the sale of games and accessories. The problem for SCEA arose from consumers and researchers who used the PS3 for its value as a computer through the other operating system. Such users bought few or no games or accessories, giving SCEA no way to recoup its losses on the console.

    174. As one article noted, Sony “isn’t pleased with the handful of private research labs, companies, and individuals using racks of PS3s as a relatively inexpensive Cell cluster node or workstation. Because Sony sells the PS3 at a loss, any customer who doesn’t buy games for the console is bad for the bottom line.” Further, on the Air Force cluster alone, SCEA likely lost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    175. SCEA and the other Sony entities were constantly looking for ways to cut costs and lower prices. For example, IBMs Cell chips originally went from 90-nanometers to 65-nanometers and eventually to 45-nanometers in 2009. The 65-nanometer Cell cost Sony $46.46 per unit, and the 45-nanometer Cell was $37.73. This reduction did not substantially alter performance, but was less expensive to manufacture, and reduced the power usage of the PS3, reducing the need for cooling mechanisms. 176. Instead of maintaining the original price in an attempt to profit from these types of lower costs, Sony cut the price of PS3 from $599 to $399 and then to $299 to increase market share and as a result of increasing competition. Isuppli estimates that Sony was still losing money on consoles with a sale price of $299, however, as production costs, while lower, were still estimated at $348 per unit. 177. As SCEA admitted when it removed the “Other OS” feature from the “slim” models, maintaining the hypervisor which allowed for multiple operating systems was very expensive. The tremendous financial pressure to cut costs further led to the removal of this feature – not “security” concerns.

    178. On the Fixstars message board forums, Kai Staats (former CEO of Terra Soft Solutions and later of Fixstars) explained how the hypervisor became increasingly difficult and expensive to maintain for Sony:

    Sony was quite diligent about testing, and with each new rev of the GameOS (which acts as the hypervisor for Linux) there was a battery of tests. Often the GameOS had to be modified to support things which otherwise broke in Linux, so it is not a one-way street. GameOS affects Linux, and Linux affects GameOS. If a component on the mobo changed, the hypervisor code would change to support the new component, and then the testing starts again. While I am not aware of a time when the GameOS was modified to correct something we discovered to be broken in Linux, I can state that with nearly every third release of updated GameOS versions, something broke in Linux for which we compensated on our end, often with the assistance of Geoff [Levand] (who was great to work with, BTW).

    179. As the sonyinsider.com website notes, based on this evidence, the decision to remove the “Other OS” feature appears to be “100% cost-based.”

    180. Other sources have speculated that, IBM, SCEI’s partner in STI, also applied pressure to convince SCEI to remove the “Other OS” feature as it was losing sales of its expensive servers to those who were clustering PS3s (which had the same Cell processor) for much less money.

    181. Although they contained lower performance per unit, PS3s were an inexpensive alternative to IBM’s Cell Blade servers which cost approximately $18,000. When the US military purchased thousands of PS3 for a super-computing cluster, the purchasing report noted that SCEA was the only company capable of manufacturing the required hardware at an economical price.

    182. When an article in The Economist1 noted that the military was making a substantial saving by creating the PS3 network compared to building a traditional super computer, users speculated: “Do you think that other investors in Cell technology. Such as IBM [sic] might be a little pissed at Sony selling devices that are near equivalent to their own more expensive products? One could speculate the pressure to remove PS3 linux came from external sources.”2

    183. Financial pressures were what led SCEI and SCEA to remove the “Other OS” feature. SCEA had no valid basis to remove an advertised feature from its PS3, for which users had paid significant sums, merely because it no longer wanted to pay to support that feature or it was losing money on sales of games and accessories. SCEA’s pretextual “security” or “intellectual property” concerns were not the true reason for the removal of the feature. 184. SCEA relies on wording from its Warranty, SSLA, and TOS to argue that “security” concerns allow it to remove the Other OS feature. Even if security were a concern, the language in these documents does not support SCEA’s interpretation. 185. The Warranty states that “[s]ome [warranty] services may . . . cause some loss of functionality.”

    186. Update 3.21 was not a “warranty service.” Nor did Update 3.21 cause “some loss of functionality.” Users who downloaded Update 3.21 had a core advertised feature removed from their system. Users who did not download Update 3.21 lost other core advertised features. SCEA’s Warranty does not authorize the removal of Other OS or those other features.

    187. The SSLA states “SCE may provide updates, upgrades, or services to your PS3TM to ensure it is functioning properly in accordance with SCE guidelines or provide you with new new offerings. . . . Some services may . . . cause a loss of functionality.”

    188. Update 3.21 was not a “service” as intended in the meaning of the SSLA. It was an optional “update.” SCEA’s SSLA does not claim that an “update” will cause a loss of functionality – only “services” are mentioned as possibly doing so. Nor did Update 3.21 cause “a loss of functionality.” Users who downloaded Update 3.21 had a core advertised feature removed from their system. Users who did not download Update 3.21 lost other core advertised features. SCEA’s SSLA does not authorize the removal of Other OS or those other features.

    189. SCEA’s TOS states “[f]rom time to time, it may become necessary for SCEA to provide certain content to you to ensure that Sony Online Services and content offered through Sony Online Services, your PlayStation3TN computer entertainment system . . . is functioning properly. . . . Such content may include automatic updates or upgrades which may . . . cause a loss of functionalities or utilities.”

    190. Update 3.21 was not an “automatic update or upgrade” as intended in the meaning of the SSLA. It was an “optional” update, meaning that the user selected whether to download the update, and lose a critical feature, or not download the update, and lose a different critical feature.

    191. None of the agreements which SCEA claims apply state that an optional Firmware Update will cause a user to lose core advertised features of the PS3, nor do they alert users that the “Other OS” feature might be disabled, particularly in light of Defendant’s representations that the “Other OS” is a central feature of the PS3 and that Defendant would support it for the ten year lifespan of the PS3. The “Other OS” feature and the ability of the PS3 to operate as a computer (or the elimination of access to the PSN network and play games online, as well as other features) were not “functionalities” – they were core advertised features of the PS3 along the lines of its ability to play games or play Blu-Ray DVDs.

    192. Thus, even if security issues were a valid concern, SCEA was not authorized by any of the purported agreements it has cited to issue Firmware Update 3.21 and remove the “Other OS” feature for millions of users.

    193. In February 2011, SCEA released Firmware Update 3.56. This Update contained a security patch preventing “jailbroken” consoles (such as those that had been “hacked” to actually allow the “Other OS” feature back on to the consoles) from accessing the PSN. Thus, if SCEA truly wanted to prevent “unauthorized” consoles that may have been “hacked,” it had other methods available to it, such as barring access to the PSN (to the extent allowed under its purported agreements), as opposed to removing a feature that it no longer wanted to pay to support, that was causing it to lose money on game sales, and/or that IBM was upset about because of a loss in sales of Blades servers.
    This being said any claims due to security issues look pretty bleak. What do you guys think?

    Sources: PS3Hax and Groklaw

    Copy of court document : http://www.groklaw.net/pdf2/SonyPS3O...dComplaint.pdf
    Comments 44 Comments
    1. betrayed olive's Avatar
      betrayed olive -
      Yeah...financial reasons as in not losing money from pirates for other OS exploits LOL
    1. Dash_2's Avatar
      Dash_2 -
      Quote Originally Posted by betrayed olive View Post
      Yeah...financial reasons as in not losing money from pirates for other OS exploits LOL
      wow who would have known

      all for the money. im thinking about putting linux back on my ps3 though i used to use it back then in the day figure i might as well do it again.

      during what update did they remove the other os i was never aware of that but it could be cause i never got on the ps3 news sites and well i rarely updated my ps3 my ex usually updated for me
    1. caf's Avatar
      caf -
      Quote Originally Posted by Dash_2 View Post
      wow who would have known

      all for the money. im thinking about putting linux back on my ps3 though i used to use it back then in the day figure i might as well do it again.

      during what update did they remove the other os i was never aware of that but it could be cause i never got on the ps3 news sites and well i rarely updated my ps3 my ex usually updated for me
      I think update 3.21 is when the OtherOS was removed.
    1. CrimsonSoul's Avatar
      CrimsonSoul -
      Guess my post while this was in the member section doesn't carry over. *shrugs*

      ...soooo, in other words, to "circumvent" their own TOS, they lied and said it was a "security issue" in order to remove OtherOS, so they could protect their pockets?

      They admit, they took OtherOS way to protect their "intellectual property" because they were losing out on money as far as the value of the PS3. Then openly admit that people were blindly given a choice...keep OtherOS and lose PSN function or keep PSN function and lose OtherOS (which most of us already knew). Then admit that they found out there was a back-door that allowed putting OtherOS back onto the system, so they released another update to remove all that completely...AGAIN!

      WTF!! LMFAO!!!

      Please please please, someone bust the hell out of Sony for that!!

      I'm curious where's the original information? Not the site it was found on, but like the documents from the courts providing this evidence?
    1. Rage-PSG's Avatar
      Rage-PSG -
      3.15 was actually the firmware that forced you

      I think
    1. cboushell-PSG's Avatar
      cboushell-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rage View Post
      3.15 was actually the firmware that forced you

      I think

      3.15 was the last OFW that had OtherOS.

      I think
    1. Amadou Baah's Avatar
      Amadou Baah -
      Sony, you fail, that's why your **** getting hacked now you selfish *****es -_-
    1. Turkish-PSG's Avatar
      Turkish-PSG -
      OtherOS was removed because geohot claimed he found an exploit in OtherOS to do things that weren't supposed to, thats why Sony removed that functionality.


      Nobody cares for a ****** Linux port on the PS3, if you really wanted OtherOS then you wouldve stayed on 3.15, there was no need to hack the PS3 to bring back OtherOS since you had 2 options: update and lose Linux, or stay and keep Linux. The same is happening now, update and lose or stay and keep. So where does all this hypocrism come from?

      Only like 5% of the people around here actually care for Linux, the rest acts like they care for Linux but only use it to justify their piracy.

      Stop sucking geohots meatstick, its getting boring.
    1. caf's Avatar
      caf -
      Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
      OtherOS was removed because geohot claimed he found an exploit in OtherOS to do things that weren't supposed to, thats why Sony removed that functionality.


      Nobody cares for a ****** Linux port on the PS3, if you really wanted OtherOS then you wouldve stayed on 3.15, there was no need to hack the PS3 to bring back OtherOS since you had 2 options: update and lose Linux, or stay and keep Linux. The same is happening now, update and lose or stay and keep. So where does all this hypocrism come from?

      Only like 5% of the people around here actually care for Linux, the rest acts like they care for Linux but only use it to justify their piracy.

      Stop sucking geohots meatstick, its getting boring.
      Actually the US Military loved OtherOS because it saved money for the Govt, and was an awesome clustering server and how is linux justifying piracy? Linux users arent pirates. i dont know if you realize linux is freeware. Open source. by the way sony has been caught violating GPL/GNU licenses already
    1. BlueMario's Avatar
      BlueMario -
      Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
      OtherOS was removed because geohot claimed he found an exploit in OtherOS to do things that weren't supposed to, thats why Sony removed that functionality.


      Nobody cares for a ****** Linux port on the PS3, if you really wanted OtherOS then you wouldve stayed on 3.15, there was no need to hack the PS3 to bring back OtherOS since you had 2 options: update and lose Linux, or stay and keep Linux. The same is happening now, update and lose or stay and keep. So where does all this hypocrism come from?

      Only like 5% of the people around here actually care for Linux, the rest acts like they care for Linux but only use it to justify their piracy.

      Stop sucking geohots meatstick, its getting boring.
      Is the trolling still fun? After all this time? Do you really have nothing better to do? =/
    1. matt902-PSG's Avatar
      matt902-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
      OtherOS was removed because geohot claimed he found an exploit in OtherOS to do things that weren't supposed to, thats why Sony removed that functionality.


      Nobody cares for a ****** Linux port on the PS3, if you really wanted OtherOS then you wouldve stayed on 3.15, there was no need to hack the PS3 to bring back OtherOS since you had 2 options: update and lose Linux, or stay and keep Linux. The same is happening now, update and lose or stay and keep. So where does all this hypocrism come from?

      Only like 5% of the people around here actually care for Linux, the rest acts like they care for Linux but only use it to justify their piracy.

      Stop sucking geohots meatstick, its getting boring.
      I am on 3.15.Not only did I lose PSN,also I can't play the newer games
    1. richguas1970's Avatar
      richguas1970 -
      there was no need to hack the PS3 to bring back OtherOS since you had 2 options: update and lose Linux, or stay and keep Linux.
      TURKISH --> Some people cannot afford a PC and so rely on PS3 OtherOS.. Lets be honest, CrimsonSoul was totally on the mark.. SONY bluntly admit that they removed the OtherOS in order to protect their "intellectual property".. Releasing updates for personal control was bearable enough, but now a rootkit in recent OFW.. Wt-fk is SONY crazy.. Rage pointed out that OFW 3.15 was actually the firmware that forced you to think, and i agree..

      When it comes to morals, SONY is at the bottom of the barrel.. They lie redundanty, allowing deception and corruption to become their trademark.. Lets just face it, SONY is one fukin bull-boy whome CEOs sniff too much Ajax..

      Stop sucking geohots meatstick, its getting boring... Damn TURKISH, if you did not have 2 PS3s then you would be one of the hive.. You talk so much about geohots meatstick, as if you had personal experience.. SONY don't love you.. Sony doesn't pay for your services.. lol :o
    1. Darkman-PSG's Avatar
      Darkman-PSG -
      But people TURKISH isnt being a troll he is right
      When you bought a ps3 did you seriously buy it for linux... get out of here! it didnt even have the full acess of the ps3 ram which is pretty useless but anyways he is right... people had a CHOICE to stay on the firmware... and if people didnt read before you updated SONY CLEARLY SAYS THAT IT IS GETTING RID IF LINUX.....

      but over all 95% of people care more for pirating and games... and I am in that 95% like now... whats more important to me... free games or psn... im sorry but i could care less for online gaming and atleast I have the balls to say it... but I will be buying a 2nd ps3 because in the long run sony will keep updating and updating... and I'll just buy the new games... but seriously... nobody care about homebrew... for example on this very site... when a linux whatever is released there is only like 18 comments... but when the new cfw with backup managers is involved you have over 200 comments... overall what i am trying 2 say is for those who have CFW for (HOMEBREW) please quit lying.. whether or not you are playing an emulator or not... it is still the same thing

      also if you do your history in the psp scene when DA left... cfw got really ****** so sony is trying to take out the best hackers... until you have ****** cfw... I for one still have 3.41 since most of the games work.. but seriously people kill me talking about backing up their disks (cough) for what?? I have PLENTY ps3 games... so why on earth would I back one up for that really makes no sense the game runs just as good...

      but people really need to get their priories straight
    1. Rayn-PSG's Avatar
      Rayn-PSG -
      So all this started because of sony's bad planning, marketing and design of the PS3. They essentially made a cheap supercomputer and gave it linux so any facility in need of cheap CPU farms actually bought them by the truckload. And sony lost money per ps3 sold, expecting profit from games nobody bought and IBM lost money as they couldn't sell their overpriced servers/PCs.

      I almost feel sorry for Sony now.
    1. caf's Avatar
      caf -
      Quote Originally Posted by Darkman View Post
      But people TURKISH isnt being a troll he is right
      When you bought a ps3 did you seriously buy it for linux... get out of here! it didnt even have the full acess of the ps3 ram which is pretty useless but anyways he is right... people had a CHOICE to stay on the firmware... and if people didnt read before you updated SONY CLEARLY SAYS THAT IT IS GETTING RID IF LINUX.....

      but over all 95% of people care more for pirating and games... and I am in that 95% like now... whats more important to me... free games or psn... im sorry but i could care less for online gaming and atleast I have the balls to say it... but I will be buying a 2nd ps3 because in the long run sony will keep updating and updating... and I'll just buy the new games... but seriously... nobody care about homebrew... for example on this very site... when a linux whatever is released there is only like 18 comments... but when the new cfw with backup managers is involved you have over 200 comments... overall what i am trying 2 say is for those who have CFW for (HOMEBREW) please quit lying.. whether or not you are playing an emulator or not... it is still the same thing

      also if you do your history in the psp scene when DA left... cfw got really ****** so sony is trying to take out the best hackers... until you have ****** cfw... I for one still have 3.41 since most of the games work.. but seriously people kill me talking about backing up their disks (cough) for what?? I have PLENTY ps3 games... so why on earth would I back one up for that really makes no sense the game runs just as good...

      but people really need to get their priories straight
      People like me buy things that are linux compatible. I love Linux and yes I use linux on a daily basis. I would love to use Linux on my TV through the PS3 and save myself from buying items to convert the signal from the computer to the TV.

      I bought an android phone because its based on the linux kernel.
      I bought several original xbox's when a linux came out for the xbox.
      I have a version of linux on every computer I own.
      I have a GPS that uses a watered down linux kernel.

      I love Linux. Backtrack, and linux mint are my fav distros. I prefer gnome or kde over ms windows any day
    1. CrimsonSoul's Avatar
      CrimsonSoul -
      Quote Originally Posted by Darkman View Post
      But people TURKISH isnt being a troll he is right
      When you bought a ps3 did you seriously buy it for linux... get out of here! it didnt even have the full acess of the ps3 ram which is pretty useless but anyways he is right... people had a CHOICE to stay on the firmware... and if people didnt read before you updated SONY CLEARLY SAYS THAT IT IS GETTING RID IF LINUX.....

      but over all 95% of people care more for pirating and games... and I am in that 95% like now... whats more important to me... free games or psn... im sorry but i could care less for online gaming and atleast I have the balls to say it... but I will be buying a 2nd ps3 because in the long run sony will keep updating and updating... and I'll just buy the new games... but seriously... nobody care about homebrew... for example on this very site... when a linux whatever is released there is only like 18 comments... but when the new cfw with backup managers is involved you have over 200 comments... overall what i am trying 2 say is for those who have CFW for (HOMEBREW) please quit lying.. whether or not you are playing an emulator or not... it is still the same thing
      Most people don't even know what Linux is capable of, so of course they're not going to say much of anything about it. I for one don't know much about Linux, but I didn't go and post on something I know nothing about. Why install something you have no clue how to use or isn't a 100% sure fire way of installing?

      Honestly when I purchased my PS3 I was looking forward to OtherOS...only to see it wasn't there (I was a day late and a dollar short because I'm frugal with my money....$600.00 USD for a game system, no thanks!)

      No offense, but most people are drawn to pretty shiny things...so titles and words like "NEW CFW!" or "NEW BM!"....so of course people are going to be drawn to it like a moth to the flame. Sadly, from reading, more people have issues with these updates than anything (which falls back onto the philosophy, "If it isn't broken, don't try and fix it!")

      Hey, people justify what's moral by creating a purpose....Sony did it, so why can't the general public?

      Quote Originally Posted by Rayn View Post
      So all this started because of sony's bad planning, marketing and design of the PS3. They essentially made a cheap supercomputer and gave it linux so any facility in need of cheap CPU farms actually bought them by the truckload. And sony lost money per ps3 sold, expecting profit from games nobody bought and IBM lost money as they couldn't sell their overpriced servers/PCs.

      I almost feel sorry for Sony now.
      "180. Other sources have speculated that, IBM, SCEI’s partner in STI, also applied pressure to convince SCEI to remove the “Other OS” feature as it was losing sales of its expensive servers to those who were clustering PS3s (which had the same Cell processor) for much less money.

      181. Although they contained lower performance per unit, PS3s were an inexpensive alternative to IBM’s Cell Blade servers which cost approximately $18,000. When the US military purchased thousands of PS3 for a super-computing cluster, the purchasing report noted that SCEA was the only company capable of manufacturing the required hardware at an economical price.

      182. When an article in The Economist1 noted that the military was making a substantial saving by creating the PS3 network compared to building a traditional super computer, users speculated: “Do you think that other investors in Cell technology. Such as IBM [sic] might be a little pissed at Sony selling devices that are near equivalent to their own more expensive products? One could speculate the pressure to remove PS3 linux came from external sources.”2"

      Enough is said right there....give someone an inch, they'll take a mile...and to be honest, why shouldn't they? It all comes back to money, doesn't matter who making/saving it...its the seed of everything!
    1. BillyG's Avatar
      BillyG -
      I think where they went wrong was taking the advertised feature away from ps3's where customers already entered an implied contract with Sony for a machine which also has 'other os' capabilities. Now if they done the same as they done with ps2 compatibility and left it on machines that already had it but took it away from all newly retail ps3's I don't think everyone would have reacted as bad.
      Still they shouldn't have taken it away at all! if you make a mistake live with it and learn from it don't go pushing your luck by corruptly removing features and that's exactly what Sony have done thinking there a huge corporation what could possible backfire at them. I'm assuming the reasoning behind other os is very similar to ps2 compatibility. I still can't understand why they would remove ps2 compatibility do they really expect people to buy both a ps3 and then a ps2 after to play older games. That;s insane! I only want one console on my TV stand that 'Only does everything'

      I no longer have any respect for sony .... or, for turkish with his b*****t!
    1. L4w3s's Avatar
      L4w3s -
      What Turkish said is evidence for him not being a Sony bumlick, Sony has admitted to doing something and Turkish still thinks thats not it, In a way I guess you could say he believes he is the God of Sony and says they are wrong?
      All I know is Turkish talks a load of bull.
    1. reloaded231-PSG's Avatar
      reloaded231-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
      OtherOS was removed because geohot claimed he found an exploit in OtherOS to do things that weren't supposed to, thats why Sony removed that functionality.


      Nobody cares for a ****** Linux port on the PS3, if you really wanted OtherOS then you wouldve stayed on 3.15, there was no need to hack the PS3 to bring back OtherOS since you had 2 options: update and lose Linux, or stay and keep Linux. The same is happening now, update and lose or stay and keep. So where does all this hypocrism come from?

      Only like 5% of the people around here actually care for Linux, the rest acts like they care for Linux but only use it to justify their piracy.

      Stop sucking geohots meatstick, its getting boring.
      no you dumb **** it was update to lose linux or stay and lose PSN but now i have linux and i have PSN so you can go **** yourself up a tree i used and loved the linux port but at the time i was also into psn but now i could give to ***** and a **** about psn just like i could about your mom the best part of you is still in your moms *** crack
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      Meok -
      We should hide our kids, hide our wifes and hide our husbands, because sony´s raping everybody out here.
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