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  • OPINION: Is There Any Redemption For True Blue?

    Everyone knows of True Blue's presence within the PS3 community. Who doesn't love an USB dongle that can give you the best of both worlds without having to shell out money for a second PS3? They have their own custom firmware to work hand in hand as well. While it may not be at the ideal price, it's still a solution nonetheless.


    As with everything else, there's alternatives that arise to build competition. With competition comes the pricing as well. With the rise of cheaper clones such as JB-King, True Blue seems to have not taken a liking and have clamped down with new security features.

    These features affect the operation of your PS3, if the dongle firmware detected it was being used on a cloned dongle. True Blue says that there are various side effects, the main one being the formatting of the PS3's internal hard drive. With stuff like this in place and True Blue not doing anything more about it, is there still room for redemption?

    If you've been following the PSP scene long enough to know about Dark_Alex and team M33, you know where I'm heading with this. Back when M33's custom firmware was released for firmware 3.51, PS3News has been editing the releases and redistributing them. To combat this, the team implemented a CRC check in the installer for 3.52 M33, which would brick the PSP if an untouched version wasn't been used. PS3News was warned of this check and was told to quit. However, they did not heed the warnings and as a result, several users were royally screwed. The response from M33 was to point fingers at the webmaster of PS3News, who condoned the activity and to go after him. At the same time, they promised that they would provide a solution which would reverse the bricks caused by the installer. A couple of months later, the Pandora Battery and Service Mode was born, which restored a working firmware to the PSP regardless of motherboard.

    Can you say that M33 was wrong for dong what they did? Yes, you can.

    Did they fix the problem that they were causing? Yes, they did.

    Is everything all honky dory now? It sure is.

    It's more or less the same story for True Blue. Honestly, I think that they are justified for doing what they did. However, the way in which they went about it was wrong. They did give a public warning about the securities in place but it's not really presented to all users when you come to think about it. For example, not everyone has 24/7 access to the Internet nor do they know of which sites to check out for the latest scene news. On top of that, there's nothing implemented in the firmware to display a visual warning that using it with a cloned dongle will format your hard drive and brick your console. While my PS3's hard drive remains rather empty, it doesn't take much to think of the negative repercussions. Tons of data ranging from game saves, account information, music and pictures are gone just like that. It's not the ideal business practice.

    The PS3 format issue was already defeated by the JB-King team and a new firmware has been pushed for their dongle. True Blue hasn't responded to this as of yet. Now the question is, will True Blue be able to make up for their actions and reestablish their position in the PS3 scene or is it too late for that?

    Another point can also be bought up here as well. If True Blue is taking such steps to establish themselves as the #1 guys out there, shouldn't they be reordering their priorities here? I forgot the last time when patches were released for games. I don't own a dongle myself but I haven't seen anything pop up as of late. Who knows what they have planned at this point...
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    1. DeathByGrogg's Avatar
      DeathByGrogg -
      TB can't even be remotely compared to M33, mostly because A. M33 was an actual custom firmware with all the goodness that that brings, whereas TB is just a s**tty drm system protecting cracked higher-firmware games, and because B. M33 never held their things hostage until you paid up.

      I honestly don't see how anyone could defend True Blue.
    1. rob_1980's Avatar
      rob_1980 -
      Welll..
      After getting YLOD on my CFW 60Gb ps3 (now sat in the loft still on 3.55 doing nothing.........Bin it?)

      I moved my OFW ps3 to the living room, I have to admit, Im wondering why I didnt go back to OFW long ago..

      pre owned games are very cheap now, the likes of portal 2 is very old, and lots here wont be able to play it yet!!!

      £15 to buy lol..

      not a PS3 fanboy, love the hacking scene of all sorts, but the ps3 scene is full of people working against each other, instead of together..

      I'll continue to follow,. if the ps3 gets fully opened up, Ie any cfw in the future, with online, Id be back on it.
    1. Nemes's Avatar
      Nemes -
      Quote Originally Posted by bitsbubba View Post
      Free?? have you been in the Scene since the start? PSJailbreak was over a $100 (free??) Clones, dev boards (free??) Sorry to tell you but no the Scene HAS NOT always been free.
      It's probably important to first make a distinction between hardware and software. On the hardware side, where devices need to be manufactured, obviously the necessary hardware has never been free. Flash carts, mod chips, and the like cost money to produce, so of course that cannot be free.

      The software on the other hand has always been free; it's never been practical to charge for software. TB may be a dongle, but we know how it actually works - it's just implementing a secondary DRM system to protect and decrypt the encrypted cracked games that PARADOX & co release. The crux of the matter being that decryption is purely a software process, and the TB dongle exists solely to establish that secondary DRM system. The games could just as well be released decrypted and work on any 3.55 CFW PS3 just as well. So the fact that the TB team is charging for software - and in the past charging for the individual games via the "special BD-R discs - is something that is quite new.
      Quote Originally Posted by DeathByGrogg View Post
      I honestly don't see how anyone could defend True Blue.
      Realistically, right now TB is the only way to play new releases. You will see people defend it because they fear that if TB is attacked and shut down that piracy of new games will not be possible, which of course would be undesirable for them.
    1. krytonic's Avatar
      krytonic -
      Quote Originally Posted by tthousand View Post
      A lot of people could say that the clones are what is bad, and always have been. And that the clones are the ones that should be seeking redemption, not the originators.
      Are you bloody kidding me? The clones didn't put the kill switch and formatting code into TB's devices. It was TB's decision and they did it them self.

      HOW can you still defend them? What the hell is wrong with some people here?
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      Quote Originally Posted by krytonic View Post
      Are you bloody kidding me? The clones didn't put the kill switch and formatting code into TB's devices. It was TB's decision and they did it them self.

      HOW can you still defend them? What the hell is wrong with some people here?
      you must have misread, he's not defending them it's called optimism
    1. krytonic's Avatar
      krytonic -
      Quote Originally Posted by bitsbubba View Post
      you must have misread, he's not defending them it's called optimism
      It was definitely defending their actions.

      There is no excuse for a company who makes profit from their products, to brick people's devices if they use their competitions even if they are a complete rip off. I don't agree with JB-King totally ripping them off but I also don't blame them for TB's actions.
    1. Goku1992's Avatar
      Goku1992 -
      @GhostOfMark
      My aim is pure piracy you really think that I jailbroke my ps3 for some 3rd party applications and some emulators from the early to mid 90's? Dont be so silly my psp can do that.

      @ Everyone else

      I really still dont get the problem is. If you guys hate TB so much why wont all of you get together and make a solution of your own and not rely on developers to bail you out. That's the problem you want someone else to fight your battles for you. You guys are not sceners you guys just want to play some games. (New Games)

      Bitsbubba is right the whole scene came together by someone CHARGING. It doesnt really matter how they make the games work DRM dongle. The fact of the matter is THEY WORKED ON IT NOT YOU. THEY FOUND THE SOLUTION NOT YOU. All I see is moaning on principles but really if you cant make your own dongle or find your own solution then really.... Why are you here? The last update was when to play the last game like November 2011 (Uncharted 3/ Sonic Generations 3.55 Kmeaw)? We are heading into May.

      I do not defend TB. TB gave me what I wanted I wanted to play newer games and for 60 bucks really? I buy games all the time and 60 bucks is not alot IMO. Anyways whether it's a money problem or the fact of it is a DRM dongle. Who are you to tell them that they are wrong for charging? Free service and paid service is soooooo much different

      You hate TB so bad then prove me wrong and come up with that free/open sourced solution for Sony to patch it. If not you really have no room to talk since TB made alot of progress. But hey Im a pirate who just in it for the games. Well atleast I am getting what I want whatever my ps3 cant do because of the lack of games my xbox can handle it and the dualboot function well it's really sweet so I have the best of both worlds anyway.
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      We don't have enough TB bitch threads "Hey Mods can we start 3, 4 or 5 more?"
      Quote Originally Posted by krytonic View Post
      It was definitely defending their actions.

      There is no excuse for a company who makes profit from their products, to brick people's devices if they use their competitions even if they are a complete rip off. I don't agree with JB-King totally ripping them off but I also don't blame them for TB's actions.
      furthermore why would he/ should he defend them, he doesn't own a TB dongle
    1. Warning's Avatar
      Warning -
      I think it is funny when people think they have moral authority over others

      TB haters drown in your lame hate.
      I will be playing free new games and keeping my ps3 the way I want it.

      TB sets the line. They do not need redemption.
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      Quote Originally Posted by tthousand View Post
      I am going to trump you all and say famous star. Ah yeah
      In&Out Burger
    1. DJisGOD's Avatar
      DJisGOD -
      i actually honestly think the staff of this site are working with tb,the amount of press they give them is crazy,none of this is news.
    1. ridesideways's Avatar
      ridesideways -
      I don't care about threats of erasing hard drive or other security measures-- they can protect their work if they want. The biggest problem I have with TB is that it doesn't work with the same CFW that the cobra dongle works with. I'd buy a genuine TB dongle straight away if I could use it with my existing cobra CFW.
    1. Goku1992's Avatar
      Goku1992 -
      @ridesideways

      you can there is something like a dual firmware thingy idk ask bitsbubba he have it on his ps3 I think. I am not talking about the dualboot e3 there is something doing with q/a he is an expert ask him.
    1. ridesideways's Avatar
      ridesideways -
      Quote Originally Posted by Goku1992 View Post
      you can there is something like a dual firmware thingy idk ask bitsbubba he have it on his ps3 I think. I am not talking about the dualboot e3 there is something doing with q/a he is an expert ask him.
      i'd love to hear about it. i'm not interested in switching back and forth between firmwares-- too much hassle. one CFW firmware for both cobra and TB dongles, and i'd buy a TB today.
    1. tthousand's Avatar
      tthousand -
      @ridesideways, if you take a look at this guide, you can find an easy way to swap between FWs without the need of an extra dongle. Also, it only takes about 3 minutes to switch between FWs once it is setup.

      Link:-> http://psx-scene.com/forums/content/...hout-usb-1888/

      Quote Originally Posted by bitsbubba View Post
      In&Out Burger
      Five... Guys... Burgers... and... Fries !!!

      Quote Originally Posted by DJisGOD View Post
      i actually honestly think the staff of this site are working with tb,the amount of press they give them is crazy,none of this is news.
      The article clearly states OPINION, so yeah, we know it is not news. This article is meant to promote communication with our members, and for them to share their views and ideas.

      As for this site, or any of it's staff, being related to TB, well that is just ridiculous. We are the only site that allows our developers to speak openly against them. We are the only site that shares these opinion views, which share both sides of the TB argument. Plus, we are one of the websites NOT listed as one of the unofficial help and support forums. As you can see, clearly no affiliation.
    1. Turkish-PSG's Avatar
      Turkish-PSG -
      Sorry pal, I have the best of both worlds!

      I have a OFW PS3 playing games online and I have a second PS3 with CFW for emulators and other games I pirate.
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      Quote Originally Posted by modrobert View Post
      No, you are the kid. Just check the forum "Join Date" to confirm.

      I can vouch for brakk3n, he is a stand-up guy telling the truth, so just bow in awe while reading every word he writes.
      Aye, but that join date is a bit off - I was here a year or maybe two earlier, but due to some friction between xainiax and I my original account got shitcanned. Nice to see you're keeping up on your gossip. HEH
    1. jean945's Avatar
      jean945 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Deeked View Post
      Really??

      It's more Like Burger King making a burger exactly like the Big Mac and selling it for half the price under a different name. Did Burger King do that? No they didn't! They made a burger called to Whopper to compete with McDonalds Big Mac, which created competition which drove prices down for the consumer. Why does today's generation insist on tearing down the successful individuals and companies? Insanity!

      Kids these days. I tell ya.
      OK, I do have to admit that what I said was drove by me wanting a free way of playing backups of newer games, and that's pretty much the reason why I hate True Blue, cause it costs money, and that's probably the reason why a lot of people do too.
      Now, from a neutral point of view, I can't blame True Blue for trying to defend their work, and the source of their money income. If that would've been the case, I couldn't blame Sony either for trying to protect their consoles from homebrew capabilities that could very well, in the end, alter their money income. That's why people that want homebrew can't get into PSN; same thing with True Blue, that's why people that use TB clones could get their HDDs swipe. And that's really the only difference between these 2 situations, the lack of certainty about the preventive measures that TB are warning us about, we don't really know if our HDDs are gonna get swiped, and all this is just nitpicking. Both measures are methods, from entrepreneurs, to prevent losing money. Whether we give a shit about the consequences they might bring is a whole different story that don't have to do with analyzing these actions.

      People hate True Blue for the reason that they are profiting off of something that people think they deserve for free, and from a butthurt homebrewer, that's the truth.
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      Quote Originally Posted by jean945 View Post
      People hate True Blue for the reason that they are profiting off of something that people think they deserve for free, and from a butthurt homebrewer, that's the truth.
      The people you mention do belong to that idiots site and you must remember that they are all mostly teenagers (Mr. Butthurt is just over the legal age in the USA) and are cheap, poor little pirates that need a "free" bottle warmed up in their mouth all of the time. That bottle and Mr. Butthurts you know what keep their mouths full of misguided rage and are hurting the scene, it's members and it's developers all of the time. Funny thing is Mr. Butthurt has a little side business that includes "helping" out people with obtaining TB's..... Oops, did I let something out of the bag.

      Edit: I call it "HIS" site because the owner is a pushover; he always has been; and is letting this teenager ruin it due to lack of having any gonads. He can't see past the HITS the site gets (now) and doesn't realize the direction it's headed toward (a brick wall).
    1. ps3ftw4's Avatar
      ps3ftw4 -
      I Find it funny on all the TB haters. Glad they wiped hard drives teaches you a lesson you get what you pay for and if your pirating games yet you to big of a cheap ass and cant pay the extra $10 dollars for an original. Maybe jbk should make their own product instead of copying tb and saying its there own.
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