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  • OPINION: Is There Any Redemption For True Blue?

    Everyone knows of True Blue's presence within the PS3 community. Who doesn't love an USB dongle that can give you the best of both worlds without having to shell out money for a second PS3? They have their own custom firmware to work hand in hand as well. While it may not be at the ideal price, it's still a solution nonetheless.


    As with everything else, there's alternatives that arise to build competition. With competition comes the pricing as well. With the rise of cheaper clones such as JB-King, True Blue seems to have not taken a liking and have clamped down with new security features.

    These features affect the operation of your PS3, if the dongle firmware detected it was being used on a cloned dongle. True Blue says that there are various side effects, the main one being the formatting of the PS3's internal hard drive. With stuff like this in place and True Blue not doing anything more about it, is there still room for redemption?

    If you've been following the PSP scene long enough to know about Dark_Alex and team M33, you know where I'm heading with this. Back when M33's custom firmware was released for firmware 3.51, PS3News has been editing the releases and redistributing them. To combat this, the team implemented a CRC check in the installer for 3.52 M33, which would brick the PSP if an untouched version wasn't been used. PS3News was warned of this check and was told to quit. However, they did not heed the warnings and as a result, several users were royally screwed. The response from M33 was to point fingers at the webmaster of PS3News, who condoned the activity and to go after him. At the same time, they promised that they would provide a solution which would reverse the bricks caused by the installer. A couple of months later, the Pandora Battery and Service Mode was born, which restored a working firmware to the PSP regardless of motherboard.

    Can you say that M33 was wrong for dong what they did? Yes, you can.

    Did they fix the problem that they were causing? Yes, they did.

    Is everything all honky dory now? It sure is.

    It's more or less the same story for True Blue. Honestly, I think that they are justified for doing what they did. However, the way in which they went about it was wrong. They did give a public warning about the securities in place but it's not really presented to all users when you come to think about it. For example, not everyone has 24/7 access to the Internet nor do they know of which sites to check out for the latest scene news. On top of that, there's nothing implemented in the firmware to display a visual warning that using it with a cloned dongle will format your hard drive and brick your console. While my PS3's hard drive remains rather empty, it doesn't take much to think of the negative repercussions. Tons of data ranging from game saves, account information, music and pictures are gone just like that. It's not the ideal business practice.

    The PS3 format issue was already defeated by the JB-King team and a new firmware has been pushed for their dongle. True Blue hasn't responded to this as of yet. Now the question is, will True Blue be able to make up for their actions and reestablish their position in the PS3 scene or is it too late for that?

    Another point can also be bought up here as well. If True Blue is taking such steps to establish themselves as the #1 guys out there, shouldn't they be reordering their priorities here? I forgot the last time when patches were released for games. I don't own a dongle myself but I haven't seen anything pop up as of late. Who knows what they have planned at this point...
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    1. badboyz80's Avatar
      badboyz80 -
      well a new update was released earlier to 2.6 so i would imagine there will be a few new patches released very soon or 1 would hope anyway
    1. Goku1992's Avatar
      Goku1992 -
      Well
      @DemonChild

      are you sure you want to make a front paged topic about TB we all know that leads to bashing and flames about how TB is bad and blah blah blah

      anyways on topic

      TB is doing fine. Security updates which is why there havent been any eboots. There are too many games to be played to worried about newer games.

      TOO MANY
    1. tthousand's Avatar
      tthousand -
      A lot of people could say that the clones are what is bad, and always have been. And that the clones are the ones that should be seeking redemption, not the originators.
    1. gonzule's Avatar
      gonzule -
      i think it was ok for the PSP scene to implement those security meassures, because all their firmware releases were FREE. They only wanted to be properly credited andnot have someone steal their job, that is all.

      For true blue, i dont think its ok for them to do this, as they are charging and they only care about making money. I bought a TrueBlue, i was desperate for playing newer games, but i sure hope as hell somebody can find a way to make open source TB or we have a new CFW so that everybody can enjoy this. If i were still a student, like 3 years agou, i would have never been able to buy it, and i could only rely on free workarounds for newer games
    1. jean945's Avatar
      jean945 -
      Is this article is seriously gonna be front paged? You have got to be kidding me. Obviously who wrote it most be a True Blue fan, trying to defend dongles. Listen, first of all, you can't compare the 2 situations for the following reason: True Blue are making money off of us, in my opinion in a dishonest way.

      I'm pretty sure Dark_Alex worked hard to give us a free CFW on our PSPs and to have this PS3news site say it's their work is totally disrespectful.
      They defended these acts by making sure PS3news wouldn't be able to modify the CFW and claim they were the ones to have worked on it.

      Here, things are different.
      True Blue are making money off of us in the first place. For True Blue to threaten their competition's customers (JB-King users) of erasing their PS3's HDD because they're not using their product is them trying to monopolize the dongle business so they can have the most profit; that's just dishonest.
      That's like McDonald's telling Burger King customers they're gonna burn down their houses if they eat at their place and not McDonald's. Dishonest competition.
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      Free or not implementing security measures to combat what the creators/authors of programs and devices is common practice and I personally support it. However, there is a difference when Mr. Serafin (PS2NFO now known as PS3NEWS - they've changed their name 3 times now due to being "kicked in the ass by the scene") was editing the M33 firmware text to credit PS2NFO and combating a clone. Now, to my knowledge, no one has reported that their cloned JB has wiped their HDD so I'm more inclined to believe it was more of a PR/Scare Tactic then anything. A simple Red Screen with the words "CLONES DON'T WORK" would of sufficed. So say even if running on a JB KING does indeed format your HDD you can recover wheras the M33 bricking you couldn't.

      Also, it was more then a couple of people who bricked their PSP's due to Mr. Serafin HEX editing the text in the eboot - it was more like a few hundred. Editing homebrew and exploits by PS3NEWS back then was common practice just as now you will notice they do not like to the source of any article unless it's a major news site when they post their bullshit non-scene news. I myself was responsible for throwing the wolves at PS2NFO with the help of Math and DA. Those were some good times.

      Wiping a HDD maybe extreme, but you must remember you're dealing with an illegal device backed up by one of the oldest warez release groups. Did you expect them to bake you cookies?
    1. Deeked's Avatar
      Deeked -
      Quote Originally Posted by jean945 View Post
      Is this article is seriously gonna be front paged? You have got to be kidding me. Obviously who wrote it most be a True Blue fan, trying to defend dongles. Listen, first of all, you can't compare the 2 situations for the following reason: True Blue are making money off of us, in my opinion in a dishonest way.

      I'm pretty sure Dark_Alex worked hard to give us a free CFW on our PSPs and to have this PS3news site say it's their work is totally disrespectful.
      They defended these acts by making sure PS3news wouldn't be able to modify the CFW and claim they were the ones to have worked on it.

      Here, things are different.
      True Blue are making money off of us in the first place. For True Blue to threaten their competition's customers (JB-King users) of erasing their PS3's HDD because they're not using their product is them trying to monopolize the dongle business so they can have the most profit; that's just dishonest.
      That's like McDonald's telling Burger King customers they're gonna burn down their houses if they eat at their place and not McDonald's. Dishonest competition.
      Really??

      It's more Like Burger King making a burger exactly like the Big Mac and selling it for half the price under a different name. Did Burger King do that? No they didn't! They made a burger called to Whopper to compete with McDonalds Big Mac, which created competition which drove prices down for the consumer. Why does today's generation insist on tearing down the successful individuals and companies? Insanity!

      Kids these days. I tell ya.
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      Quote Originally Posted by jean945 View Post
      True Blue are making money off of us in the first place. For True Blue to threaten their competition's customers (JB-King users) of erasing their PS3's HDD because they're not using their product is them trying to monopolize the dongle business so they can have the most profit; that's just dishonest.That's like McDonald's telling Burger King customers they're gonna burn down their houses if they eat at their place and not McDonald's. Dishonest competition.
      Dishonest? Pirates making money from selling an illegal device and copies of games is honest? Using a free backup manager to play copied games is honest? I think you need to check yourself.
    1. Goku1992's Avatar
      Goku1992 -
      Quote Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      Dishonest? Pirates making money from selling an illegal device and copies of games is honest? Using a free backup manager to play copied games is honest? I think you need to check yourself.
      this.

      60 bucks is not alot to be complaining about IMO (cough cost of a retail ps3 game)
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      One last thing. I don't know why there are all these new kids around that think the "scene" should be free. Nothing is free. All scenes, from the Atari to now have had products you could purchase to copy games or aid in the process. It's like the assholes from PS3SUX are infesting their agenda into these kids who saw "wow, I can has flash firmware on my ps3 for free and download for free". Now it comes time when they need to spend some money and they are simply cheap ass holes. The Trueblue drama comes down to this "free" vs "money" and guess what - currently, money gets you running and free ain't delivering. Personally I think free stuff, but I would have no problem paying for a mod-device like I have for the better part of my life - that is if I still played lots of games. I'm old now so I upgraded to 4.11 and am really happy with having PSN back and being able to play FFXIII-2 when I feel like it. So bitch and moan, bitch and moan - it's not going to change a damn thing other then giving other people headaches.
    1. GhostOfMork's Avatar
      GhostOfMork -
      Oh. My. God. The steaming hypocrisy of this entire post is mind numbing. Sony uses DRM to protect their legal products and this whole scene screams blue murder. Pirate company True Blue uses DRM to protect its method to circumvent Sonys DRM and charges suckers for the privilege. Another company copies their DRM, then True Blue commits even more crimes by intentionally destroying data on competitors customers machines. How can you on one hand hold True Blue up as shining capitalists, then damn Sony for protecting their lawfully owned products?

      Personally, I think True Blue are thieves in the first place, so for them to be concerned with their stolen goods being stolen by others is pretty rich. I'll stick to my hardware flasher and have access to OFW and CFW without having to worry about a bunch of criminals messing up my hardware.
    1. Goku1992's Avatar
      Goku1992 -
      @GhostOfMork

      Dude please cry me a river I think you have things a little confused. Brakk3n said it better money gets you running. And free has done nothing.

      What have the devs done for a free scene = NOTHING

      and if you have 1 pirate game on your CFW ps3 you have NO ROOM to talk about being a criminal

      pirates trying to justify other pirates by buying a peice of hardware to further their pirating experience

      IT'S MADNESS

      PS3

      here you go buddy nice and (criminal free for ya)
    1. GhostOfMork's Avatar
      GhostOfMork -
      @Goku1992
      Sorry mate I didn't realise the trolls on this forum had such poor reading comprehension. Unless your aim is pure piracy, there is no good reason to be using a True Blue over a hardware flasher. A hardware flasher lets you use all the best CFW such as Rebug 3.55.2 or even set up linux on your PS3. All you need to do is swap hard drives and flash back OFW and you have PSN and all the latest games.

      Hardware flashers cost only a little more than a True Blue and require minimal grey matter to install, even you should be able to manage it Goku1992!
    1. robo989's Avatar
      robo989 -
      Quote Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      One last thing. I don't know why there are all these new kids around that think the "scene" should be free. Nothing is free. All scenes, from the Atari to now have had products you could purchase to copy games or aid in the process. It's like the assholes from PS3SUX are infesting their agenda into these kids who saw "wow, I can has flash firmware on my ps3 for free and download for free". Now it comes time when they need to spend some money and they are simply cheap ass holes. The Trueblue drama comes down to this "free" vs "money" and guess what - currently, money gets you running and free ain't delivering. Personally I think free stuff, but I would have no problem paying for a mod-device like I have for the better part of my life - that is if I still played lots of games. I'm old now so I upgraded to 4.11 and am really happy with having PSN back and being able to play FFXIII-2 when I feel like it. So bitch and moan, bitch and moan - it's not going to change a damn thing other then giving other people headaches.
      You're the kid mate.

      The scene always was free until now, not the other way round. Talk about absolutely ignorant.
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      Quote Originally Posted by robo989 View Post
      You're the kid mate.

      The scene always was free until now, not the other way round. Talk about absolutely ignorant.
      Free?? have you been in the Scene since the start? PSJailbreak was over a $100 (free??) Clones, dev boards (free??) Sorry to tell you but no the Scene HAS NOT always been free.

      Edit: I alsoo think you missed something if your calling brakk3n a kid (next time read the whole post
      Quote Originally Posted by brakk3n View Post
      I'm old now so I upgraded to 4.11 and am really happy with having PSN back and being able to play FFXIII-2 when I feel like it.
    1. modrobert's Avatar
      modrobert -
      Quote Originally Posted by robo989 View Post
      You're the kid mate.

      The scene always was free until now, not the other way round. Talk about absolutely ignorant.
      No, you are the kid. Just check the forum "Join Date" to confirm.

      I can vouch for brakk3n, he is a stand-up guy telling the truth, so just bow in awe while reading every word he writes.
    1. Menace's Avatar
      Menace -
      Quote Originally Posted by Deeked View Post
      It's more Like Burger King making a burger exactly like the Big Mac and selling it for half the price under a different name. Did Burger King do that? No they didn't! They made a burger called to Whopper to compete with McDonalds Big Mac, which created competition which drove prices down for the consumer. Why does today's generation insist on tearing down the successful individuals and companies? Insanity!

      Kids these days. I tell ya.

      damn i could go for a whopper...way better than big mac.

      mcdeez can't f with bk flame broiled taste really...not say it's bad but yup...i eat both but prefer bk.

      lol..



      anyway i don't think anyone condones TB's actions regarding hd wiping ect....it's just despicable.
    1. tthousand's Avatar
      tthousand -
      Wiping the HDD is bad. Wiping the game trying to be played would have been a cool trick. But no, mistakes were made. We can only hope they target there real opponents next time.
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      Quote Originally Posted by Menace View Post
      damn i could go for a whopper...way better than big mac.

      mcdeez can't f with bk flame broiled taste really...not say it's bad but yup...i eat both but prefer bk.

      lol..
      actually rather have a Jumbo Jack (Jack in the Box FTW), but yea BK over Micky D's anyday



      Quote Originally Posted by Menace View Post
      anyway i don't think anyone condones TB's actions regarding hd wiping ect....it's just despicable.
      truly a wrong decision but I'm not going to destroy my TB dongle because of it
    1. tthousand's Avatar
      tthousand -
      I am going to trump you all and say famous star. Ah yeah

      I wonder if JBK will have an answer for the new fw/apps/patches (more likely months instead of days)
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