OFW v3.70 - IT'S ALIVE !!!

[NuclearAqua]

Actually, NO. When electronics is less and less electronics and replaced with chipsets boasting 700 millions transistors, it's getting more difficult every year to figure out the inner workings of a device, especially complex hardware like a PlayStation 3, without access to the manufacturer's implementation and design on paper. Sure with unlimited time and resources, both human and economic, technically everything could be, but that statement is theoretical not practical, and in practice some things haven't been done and probably won't be for a reason, it's non-practical. And by the way, if I'd knew you, I'd bet with you right now the Xbox3 and PS4 will never be hacked, all Microsoft has to do is model its disc reader on Sony's PS3 model, Sony will put a random number in its design when calling "m", and there you have it, un-hack-able, check and mate. Now you could hire a highly proficient firm to hack it, but at what price, or steal Sony's design from the inside, like the suspected USB dongle, but a small group of amateur hackers trying to remove or circumvent security measures in those console in their spare time for the fun, and maybe glory, of it, doubtful, the Xbox was almost there, Sony was there if it weren't for the "m=4" mistakes.

www[dot]youtube[dot]com/watch?v=4loZGYqaZ7I&t=36m (I cannot post link as of now, replace the dot with real ones)
Here's failoverflow explaining how they hacked the keys, without them you ain't got sh*t, no custom firmware, no homebrews, no nothing, we sure know a 3.60 firmware without 3.60 keys is impossible, 3.70 as well. Sony made a mistake they will not repeat my friend. And by the way, listen to what the doctorate says at 37.07: "the first equation we cannot solve, no one in the world can solve it", there you have it, we found something that cannot, in an intelligible practical world, be hacked...

Dude, you're only talking about keys because it is the most convenient way of hacking the PS3, but with hardware mods, for example, the possibilities are endless.

You only say that because you take the PS3 scene as reference, where the guys who know how to exploit 3.6x won't share, but in every other scene everything was hacked as soon as it was released.

I repeat, everything is hackable. If man did it, man can break it. When the PSP Go came along, everyone said "OMG TEH UNHACKABLE PSP!!!!!1!1!!". A few months later, bam.

And if you still wanna bet on that one, it's on!

[Darkman-PSG]

Dude, you're only talking about keys because it is the most convenient way of hacking the PS3, but with hardware mods, for example, the possibilities are endless.

You only say that because you take the PS3 scene as reference, where the guys who know how to exploit 3.6x won't share, but in every other scene everything was hacked as soon as it was released.

I repeat, everything is hackable. If man did it, man can break it. When the PSP Go came along, everyone said "OMG TEH UNHACKABLE PSP!!!!!1!1!!". A few months later, bam.

And if you still wanna bet on that one, it's on!

True but don't forget that Sony never cared about a console like this before sure if lawyers wasn't around. But this is Sony's product so hacking it will either land you in Jail or in a pile of debt. Did you NOT forget about Geohot and Graf??? This scene is dead and dry...all I see is redo's of 3.55 or 3.41 where people already did that...

[NuclearAqua]

True but don't forget that Sony never cared about a console like this before sure if lawyers wasn't around. But this is Sony's product so hacking it will either land you in Jail or in a pile of debt. Did you NOT forget about Geohot and Graf??? This scene is dead and dry...all I see is redo's of 3.55 or 3.41 where people already did that...

But we were only talking about the technical possibility of hacking a device, not if someone will actually do it.

And I don't think the scene is dead. I hope the hardware mods lead somewhere.

[K1LLER HORNET]

Is there any way to redownload a PSN game I purchased a while back & put it onto my Jailbroken 3.55 PS3?I just got a 3D display & would like to try out Super Stardust 3D

Edit: I found a download link from ******

[knowthyself]

Dude, you're only talking about keys because it is the most convenient way of hacking the PS3, but with hardware mods, for example, the possibilities are endless.

You only say that because you take the PS3 scene as reference, where the guys who know how to exploit 3.6x won't share, but in every other scene everything was hacked as soon as it was released.

I repeat, everything is hackable. If man did it, man can break it. When the PSP Go came along, everyone said "OMG TEH UNHACKABLE PSP!!!!!1!1!!". A few months later, bam.

And if you still wanna bet on that one, it's on!

Wait, you think there is a modchip solution for the PS3? It's been 5 and 6 years respectively and we haven't seen one for the PS3 or the 360. The xbox1 and PS2 (i'm excluding nintendo since I never had to hack one) were the last hardware based hacks we saw, you cannot solder a chip on the PS3 or Xbox360 and expect to bypass copy protection and/or run unsigned code, we haven't seen a hardware hack on those consoles. I'm excluding the 360 jtag on purpose; the hole has been fixed and I doubt they will use the same motherboard for consumer and developer consoles in the future, big mistake on Microsoft part. You flash a custom firmware on a 360's drive, you flash the PS3 with a modified firmware which needs to be signed, there had been no hardware hack, that's the reality, be realistic for one second. And that whole saying of "If man did it, man can break it" isn't always true, when things get very complex there is a point at which the owner alone knows the way, if I compress a file with a gigabyte key you cannot hack it, never will, without my key it's impossible, even with all the computers in the world and plan on living for eternity along a star that will burn forever in a galaxy that isn't collapsing on its center black hole. This gen was almost too complex to hack, the next-gen is a definite negative, mark my word.

[NuclearAqua]

Wait, you think there is a modchip solution for the PS3? It's been 5 and 6 years respectively and we haven't seen one for the PS3 or the 360. The xbox1 and PS2 (i'm excluding nintendo since I never had to hack one) were the last hardware based hacks we saw, you cannot solder a chip on the PS3 or Xbox360 and expect to bypass copy protection and/or run unsigned code, we haven't seen a hardware hack on those consoles. I'm excluding the 360 jtag on purpose; the hole has been fixed and I doubt they will use the same motherboard for consumer and developer consoles in the future, big mistake on Microsoft part. You flash a custom firmware on a 360's drive, you flash the PS3 with a modified firmware which needs to be signed, there had been no hardware hack, that's the reality, be realistic for one second. And that whole saying of "If man did it, man can break it" isn't always true, when things get very complex there is a point at which the owner alone knows the way, if I compress a file with a gigabyte key you cannot hack it, never will, without my key it's impossible, even with all the computers in the world and plan on living for eternity along a star that will burn forever in a galaxy that isn't collapsing on its center black hole. This gen was almost too complex to hack, the next-gen is a definite negative, mark my word.

I don't count brute forcing as a hack, since it was never used to hack anything.

Last time I checked, to mod the Xbox you need to hack the DVD drive, which for me counts as a hardware hack.
And no, this gen wasn't too complex to hack. Drive chips for the Wii came along in late 2006; the Xbox's King Kong exploit came in 2007, and the first drive hacks even before that, in mid 2006. The PS3 was designed with the worst security scheme ever, it was just a matter of having the right people studying it.
All this without mentioning the PSP, which also has hardware dedicated to cryptography. The latest PSP fw was cracked in a single day.

Realise this for a second: every piece of hardware released to this day has been hacked/opened, so it's logically safe to assume everything is hackable.

Stating that the next gen consoles will be unhackable without even knowing so much as the hardware specs is plain ludicrous. There is no such thing as a hack proof piece of hardware. That's is a risky bet you're willing to take.

[knowthyself]

I don't count brute forcing as a hack, since it was never used to hack anything.

Last time I checked, to mod the Xbox you need to hack the DVD drive, which for me counts as a hardware hack.
And no, this gen wasn't too complex to hack. Drive chips for the Wii came along in late 2006; the Xbox's King Kong exploit came in 2007, and the first drive hacks even before that, in mid 2006. The PS3 was designed with the worst security scheme ever, it was just a matter of having the right people studying it.
All this without mentioning the PSP, which also has hardware dedicated to cryptography. The latest PSP fw was cracked in a single day.

Realise this for a second: every piece of hardware released to this day has been hacked/opened, so it's logically safe to assume everything is hackable.

Stating that the next gen consoles will be unhackable without even knowing so much as the hardware specs is plain ludicrous. There is no such thing as a hack proof piece of hardware. That's is a risky bet you're willing to take.

To me, hacking consoles is like console emulation, each generation is exponentially difficult, to a point where it is unfeasible. Emulation stopped with the PlayStation 2, Xbox emulation has not been done and it's a directX x86 PC, hence X-box, it should be "easy", it's not. Even at 1 frame per minute, it has not happened yet, and without the code behind its electronics, it probably will never be done. You could easily have a Xbox emulator on PC, but it would have to come from Microsoft itself.

Contrary to what you believe, there is hardware that cannot be hacked, failoverflow said in an early interview that if Sony had implemented its cell architecture like IBM's design, the way it was meant to be, they would never had been able to get in and find the keys. Hell, if it wasn't for "m" reporting the same number everytime, PS3 hacking would resume itself to the PSGroove. Yesterday's 10 000$ hardware is today's 1000$ hardware is tomorrow's 100$ hardware, eventually every console will be non-hackable, even a handheld device. Maybe this decade, maybe the next, depending on their complexity, but eventually it will happen, for the same reason emulation stopped at Xbox, complexity. This is why I believe the next xbox and playstation will be hackproof. I could be right, I could be wrong, but this is the impression I get from the 360 slim taking almost as much time to hack as the 360 originally did and the PS3 standing strong against hackers with revision 3.56+. We are far from the days when mankind used to put a stethoscope to a lock to get in, they are bank vaults that can absolutely not be opened without the key.

[NuclearAqua]

To me, hacking consoles is like console emulation, each generation is exponentially difficult, to a point where it is unfeasible. Emulation stopped with the PlayStation 2, Xbox emulation has not been done and it's a directX x86 PC, hence X-box, it should be "easy", it's not. Even at 1 frame per minute, it has not happened yet, and without the code behind its electronics, it probably will never be done. You could easily have a Xbox emulator on PC, but it would have to come from Microsoft itself.

Contrary to what you believe, there is hardware that cannot be hacked, failoverflow said in an early interview that if Sony had implemented its cell architecture like IBM's design, the way it was meant to be, they would never had been able to get in and find the keys. Hell, if it wasn't for "m" reporting the same number everytime, PS3 hacking would resume itself to the PSGroove. Yesterday's 10 000$ hardware is today's 1000$ hardware is tomorrow's 100$ hardware, eventually every console will be non-hackable, even a handheld device. Maybe this decade, maybe the next, depending on their complexity, but eventually it will happen, for the same reason emulation stopped at Xbox, complexity. This is why I believe the next xbox and playstation will be hackproof. I could be right, I could be wrong, but this is the impression I get from the 360 slim taking almost as much time to hack as the 360 originally did and the PS3 standing strong against hackers with revision 3.56+. We are far from the days when mankind used to put a stethoscope to a lock to get in, they are bank vaults that can absolutely not be opened without the key.

Xbox/PS2 emulation isn't possible because today's PCs aren't powerful enough. The PC hardware hasn't evolved as fast as the consoled did, so emulation is much more difficult.

Nothing has been hack proof so far, and it will never be.

[knowthyself]

Xbox/PS2 emulation isn't possible because today's PCs aren't powerful enough. The PC hardware hasn't evolved as fast as the consoled did, so emulation is much more difficult.

You are wrong twice. PC are powerful enough to play PS2 games on a PC emulator, not all of them work but most. I personally need something more powerful than a 2.6ghz dual-core to run GT4 at 60fps per example, but there are computer that manages it. But even if it ran at 1fps, it is a working emulation, it's possible, and the game that do not work crash while booting, loading, etc., if you lack power the process doesn't stop it slows down, instructions per seconds are not at fault here. Now Xbox emulation hasn't been done at all, there is one "emulator" that runs Halo, but it's not a proper xbox emulation, it only plays one specific game, it's an Halo emulator more than anything else. Again, it has nothing to do with computer performance, but the complexity of the Xbox itself making it impossible to translate it's hardware architecture to software, hardware and software are exactly the same thing and going from one to the other is pretty straightforward, if they can't achieve translation means they don't know how the hardware operates, no one but Microsoft knows.

Also PC and console hardware evolves at the same rate since they share the same technology, console are simply cheap computer, the Cell processor of the PS3 is somewhat an exception, cheap yet very powerful. The gap between the two is relatively the same throughout the years when you account that consoles had to keep an affordable price while computers followed technology all along, consoles went up with inflation, computers went down with cheaper technology.

Nothing has been hack proof so far, and it will never be.

3.56 is hack proof "so far". 3.60 also. The PS3 as a whole is not, you are right.

Will the newer firmwares ever be? We'll have to see, but they are still holding hackers back, that is the reality.

Now if we look at electronics in general, there are cars and motorcycles using electronic keys that can't be replicated, in other words can't be hacked. I can encrypt a text file with a key so long there would be as much possibilities as the amount of seconds that have passed since the estimated birth of the Universe, can't be hacked as the Sun won't last. If man builds a one-die PS3, everything on one die (at what cost?, you'd ask, but still), with nothing but bluray, controller inputs, audio and video going in and out of the chip, would you call that hackable? Now what if it had no pinouts at all, it's a real box, call it FBox, everything is RF except power, what now?

Like I said in a earlier post, when I talk about hacking I talk in REALISTIC terms, hacked by hackers at "home". I'm not asking "What if IBM put all its employees and ressources to the task?", but would it be possible for George Hotz, failoverflow, c4eva, grafchoko, teamjungle, etc., to crack the solution? The reality of who hacks, not the theoretical power of the human race. To me the future points toward too much complexity for these guys, growth is an exponential function and it's gonna get very complicated very soon.

[NuclearAqua]

Now if we look at electronics in general, there are cars and motorcycles using electronic keys that can't be replicated, in other words can't be hacked. I can encrypt a text file with a key so long there would be as much possibilities as the amount of seconds that have passed since the estimated birth of the Universe, can't be hacked as the Sun won't last.

Dude. Brute force was never used to hack any console, so you can stop now this whole astrophysics übercryptography gibberish.

If man builds a one-die PS3, everything on one die (at what cost?, you'd ask, but still), with nothing but bluray, controller inputs, audio and video going in and out of the chip, would you call that hackable? Now what if it had no pinouts at all, it's a real box, call it FBox, everything is RF except power, what now?

Like I said in a earlier post, when I talk about hacking I talk in REALISTIC terms, hacked by hackers at "home". I'm not asking "What if IBM put all its employees and ressources to the task?", but would it be possible for George Hotz, failoverflow, c4eva, grafchoko, teamjungle, etc., the reality of who hacks, not the theoretical power of the human race, to crack the solution? To me the future points toward too much complexity for these guys.

You example is everything but realistic, no? And even that way, there were some talks about decapping the Cell CPU to obtain some keys.

I'll say this, or better, repeat this for the last time: you have no idea what the hardware of the next gen consoles will be, let alone the security schemes, so you can't say they will be unhackable. EVERYTHING IS HACKABLE, FFS.

[knowthyself]

EVERYTHING IS HACKABLE, FFS.

When you say it like this it sound so true, you should use more arguments and less "no, you're wrong!!!" when you argue, you might get somewhere, though one can wonder if you would without any traction due to your false premise that everything is hackable. Hell, when I give you an example of something that cannot be hacked, you tell me brute force was never used for console hacking, then you should change your premise to "every console up to now has been hacked" instead of "everything is hackable", because everything is everything, it also suggest forever. I gave you example of impossible hacks, and those examples fall under the definition of "everything".

By the way, sure my example is somewhat unrealistic, but corporation have means hackers do not, while a one-die might be impossible with the actual technology, if technology permits it they could do it, while hackers will always have very limited ressource and the more complex technology gets the more handicapped hackers are.

You are right I have no idea what the next gen will be, but if I was Sony I'd release a beefed up PS3 with a random "m", remove the memory exploit failoverflow and hotz used, add Efuses in just for the laughs, and smile You seriously think they start from scratch every time do you? They gonna get there, they have to, complexity makes it no other way. And YES, I can say the next-gen will be unhackable, because I made it clear it's a personal opinion, while you on the other hand claim that "EVERYTHING IS HACKABLE" is an absolute truth. To which I prove you wrong.

[NuclearAqua]

When you say it like this it sound so true, you should use more arguments and less "no, you're wrong!!!" when you argue, you might get somewhere, though one can wonder if you would without any traction due to your false premise that everything is hackable.

My premise is false? Yeah right. Last time I checked we were talking about CONSOLES, that's why I said that your brute forcing examples were irrelevant. I'm not stupid enough not to realise that a long enough key can't be feasibly cracked.

And YES, I can say the next-gen will be unhackable, because I made it clear it's a personal opinion, while you on the other hand claim that "EVERYTHING IS HACKABLE" is an absolute truth. To which I prove you wrong.

An opinion based out of thin air. You have zero evidence to suport that opinion. It's a "feeling" you have, not a properly based opinion.

[knowthyself]

My premise is false? Yeah right. Last time I checked we were talking about CONSOLES, that's why I said that your brute forcing examples were irrelevant. I'm not stupid enough not to realise that a long enough key can't be feasibly cracked.

Yeah we were, but you did say everything was hackable, and I use the example that some things aren't to show that it is not impossible consoles might fall into that category one day, I'm simply open to that possibility and unfortunately see the odds favoring this outcome. Technology evolves in every field, especially electronics, what is so mind boggling to think that one day hackers could be out of their league given their resources.

An opinion based out of thin air. You have zero evidence to suport that opinion. It's a "feeling" you have, not a properly based opinion.

My opinion is based on observation of console hacking over time amongst other things , the hacks are more sophisticated, requires higher knowledge, we went from soldering one bypass chip to hardware reprogramming, I see a tendency there. If you base your opinion on the fact that "it always been done, therefore it will always be done" or that "what man can do, man can undo", then I must say it seems just as baseless to me, last time I checked we were talking about future consoles and the success of past hacking has nothing to say about its future, and the old saying "what man ca do" is true until you realize that actually the do-er is a mega corporation and only the undo-er is a man. I would agree with you, and that saying, if IBM was the "man" undoing (hacking) the PS3, but until then I'll have to base my opinion on the reality of who's hacking and who they are up against.

[themuse]

No, it's called pointing out that he never made anything worth while and he's only famous for enabling backups.
Geohot CFW had ALOT of the stuff kmeaw has but the scene just cares about piracy.



I'm pretty certain sony did not plant bugs into his house and they did not put 24 hr surveillance on him. all he has to do is go to a pawn shop and buy a PS3 there than go anon. or give a friend the money and tell him to do it for him who knows? (it's almost like going outside is an impossible feat to most of you)As with graf_chokolo I knew he was being sued, but after this he'll either be in prison or broke. End of story. He won't even be able to use his PS3 when he'll be up to his eyeballs in debt. BUT see geohot now works for facebook and it probably pays alot if he has a good position and now he doesn't want to hack the PS3 because his life is even better than before and he doesn't want to get sued up the ass again. Graf_chokolo will most likely never want to touch a PS3 again after this and I don't blame him.

you would seriously have to be the biggest pussy ever to be scared of a court stipulation not to hack your p3 or to be scared to be sued by sony ,or be sued by them agin, or be wearing a tin foil hat ,and be somkin meth for 3 weeks str8 and not sleeping to be that paranoid to think that you couldnt still work in the scene and do anonymous releases, and you would have to be a giant weeping pussy to be sued by a company and then listen to them and the court not to hack ps3 and to not want to do it all the more and to really get revenge and to really fuk them over hardcore, i know i would ,if i was in geohots position i would not be sleeping till i had reversed all their security on ps3 and whatever else they care about, then i would go the mall in a hoodie and sunglasses and go into sony style store and upload it anon on their display vaio laptops there
its funny how geohot said in his answer to the question kevin parerea asked him on his g4 interview "when is the xperia(or was it vita) comming out?"and then kevin said oh now your just pokin sticks
seems like he wasnt that scared when he was being sued ,but then he caved so who knows

so i guess nothing short of a lv0 key set can save the scene now
these devs on their high horse should realize not everyone can afford 2 ps3's that wants homebrew or linux, and that its kinda halfass to only make it so 2 old fw can have linux,if thats their goal ,2 old fw that are getting harder and harder to find on machines now ,the devs who claim to have the keys and to not want to release them cause of "piracy" are really killing the scene now,if they really do have them that is ,ive lost track of how many fw's behind we are now, they are being really unfair to people who have newer fw's or people who have 3.55 or below who cat afford or dont want to by a second console ,i could see if we could still play originals ,and if a cfw would only allow backups of new games, but that is not the case ,not that i wouod be against that either ,cause i think thish whole anti "piracy" crap is bullshit anyways ,but they no point,and not a leg to stand on with their argument, since retail games can not be playse either, infact the argument could be made in the other direction, that if they really do have keys that would allow 3.6x or 3.70 cfw ,then THEY ARE THE ONES HURTING DEVELOPERS ,becuse they are making it so people on 3.55 who dont want to leave the scene are not going to buy any new games, so the people who have a hacked console only have 2 choices really ,1 is to hurt the scene by leaving it for good and putting ofw on their console,making it one less of the already rar consoles that can be modded, or 2, hurt the developers by not not buying any new games cause thet cant play them anyways ,at least if there ws new cfw or key the people migh buy the games, at least there would be a chance, but now there is no chance since the games are un playable

[themuse]

All of the people from my friends list on PSN, are on XBL anyways They are NEVER on PSN, but always on XBL!

yea well not sure that scene is the best of shape either, not for slims anyways , drilling through complex surface mount ic chips is not exactly a practical method of modding a drive

although the xkey and the few new copies of it or similar devices may be promising if they can deliver on their promise of making them live safe

seems like our only hope for the ps3 scene now may be a commercial dev team , but they may not want to take the risk after what happened with the ps jailbreak ,you notice we never heard from them again

and no thousand we dont really need a whole cfw to save the scene ,just keys to play the latest games, and the devs,as i sais to claim to have the keys,if they really do have no argument about it furthering "piracy" because only releasing the keys would only let people on 3.55 be able to keep their homebrew ,and play the latest games, and like i said right now nobody is buying those games anyways since the retail ones are not even playable , so even if they did release keys only and we had to use eboots then atleast some of the people would buy the retail copies of the newer games, but as it stands now nobody on 3.55 will ,so they are only hurting sales further not helping them ,so they have no argument and no leg to stand on, cfw is a bit of a different argument, unless it can only be installed by people on 3.55

and as far as cryptography goes , i remember watching something on nat geo or nova or something where they were working on photon cryptography and they said it would be the first and only way to make something unhackable because of the way it works, the photons are destroyed by the very act of reading them ,making physically impossible to hacked a computer using this method of quantum photon cryptography they invented, but it was just in a early proof of concept phase
but they said that short of that that anything could be hacked

[tthousand]

WOE! What on Earth (TM)! My friends are NOT on any scene. They just game

And I never said anything about the scene needing saving, I am 100% fine with letting it do what it wants to do, and if someone wants to be nice release something, let them. This scene has only just begun, and I am sure is going to have alot of bumps.

[Spazkid]

Apparently you missed the part where he said: "Knowledge is food for my brain. The only way I'm going to stop is if you put me in prison or kill me. If I go to prison, when I get out I will continue doing my work."

I don't have the time to search for se exact quote but it's something along these lines.

"I WILL STICK BY MAI PSTRIPLE TIL I GO 2 PRIZUN AND SAI I AM IN HERE 4 HAKING PSTRIPLE" He'll probably get shanked/raped in prison.

[NuclearAqua]

"I WILL STICK BY MAI PSTRIPLE TIL I GO 2 PRIZUN AND SAI I AM IN HERE 4 HAKING PSTRIPLE" He'll probably get shanked/raped in prison.

That's completely disrespectful towards a guy who is/was in the shit but still continued to release stuff for you to use.
Some people really don't deserve the things their're given.

[Spazkid]

Some people really don't deserve the things they're given.

He made it happen to himself.

[NuclearAqua]

He made it happen to himself.

Do you own any CFW PS3s?