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  • Geohot Ordered to Hand Over Hard Drives to Sony

    The legal battle between Sony and George Hotz (geohot), took a surprising turn today. U.S. District Judge Susan Illston ruled from the bench, ordering geohot to hand over his computer hard drives to Sony. The electronics maker will be allowed to examine the drives with a fine tooth comb and retrieve information "that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation".

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    Sony to Inspect PlayStation Hacker’s Hard Drive

    SAN FRANCISCO — PlayStation 3 jailbreaker George Hotz must allow console-maker Sony to comb through his computer’s hard drive and retrieve information “that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation,” a federal judge ruled Thursday.

    U.S. District Judge Susan Illston’s ruled from the bench in Sony’s ongoing legal action against the New Jersey hacker, who goes by GeoHot. The lawsuit is in connection to the 21-year-old being the first to fully hack the 4-year-old console, a jailbreak allowing it to play pirated and home-brewed games.

    Hotz posted the code on his website last month, and put a how-to video on YouTube. That landed him in court here on Digital Millennium Copyright Act civil allegations. Among other things, Sony accuses him of trafficking in devices that circumvent controls meant to protect copyrighted works.

    In the Thursday hearing, Hotz’ attorney, Stewart Kellar, objected to the judge’s bench order, saying Sony would be able to “observe” the contents of all his client’s files.

    “That’s the breaks,” Illston said.

    Hotz has already removed the YouTube video and the code from his website to comport with the judge’s earlier orders.

    The judge had originally ruled weeks ago that Hotz must surrender all of his computer gear to Sony. But Kellar asked for reconsideration, and a hearing was hastily called Thursday

    Illston informed Kellar that it was routine for the entire contents of computers to be searched in a bid to isolate what is being sought, as in child ****ography prosecutions.

    “Your honor, we’re certainly not dealing with child ****ography in this issue,” Kellar replied.

    Moments later, the judge responded:

    “Here, I find probable cause that your client has got these things on his computer,” she said. “It’s a problem when more than one thing is kept on the computer. I’ll make sure the order is and will be that Sony is only entitled to isolate … the information on the computer that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation.”

    The DMCA makes it either a civil or criminal offense to traffic in wares meant to circumvent devices protecting copyrighted works. Performing a similar hack on a mobile phone is lawful.

    Sony’s attorney, James Gilliland, was quick to point out to Illston that the mobile phone is not at issue here. “The conduct Mr. Hotz has engaged in is still covered by the DMCA,” he said.

    The judge also backed off on an order that Hotz “retrieve” the code from anybody who he may have forwarded it to.

    “It’s information. It can’t be retrieved. It’s just not practical,” Illston said. “What would they do, Xerox it and mail it back? ”

    Illston said she changed her mind because she was not clearly aware of the details in her earlier order.

    “This kind of got away from me and I apologize for that,” she said from the bench.

    The judge ordered Sony and Kellar to confer with each other on the parameters of where and when Hotz would allow Sony to sift through his computer. She also ordered him not to delete or modify any files connected to the jailbreak.

    Meanwhile, Sony is threatening to sue [.pdf] anybody posting the code, even though Sony accidentally tweeted it earlier this week.

    Sony’s attorney, Gilliland, said the Japanese console maker has been sending out an undisclosed number of DMCA “takedown” notices to websites demanding the code’s removal.

    Sony is also asking Judge Illston to order Google to surrender the IP addresses [.pdf] and other identifying information of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on Hotz’ private YouTube page. The game maker is also demanding that Twitter provide the identities of a host of hackers who first unveiled a limited version of the hack in December.

    A hearing on that is scheduled next month. Sony is seeking unspecified damages.
    Source: Wired
    Source: PSX-Scene
    Comments 82 Comments
    1. ch0k30nm1b@77$-PSG's Avatar
      ch0k30nm1b@77$-PSG -
      ohhhh bad bad... whipe everything now!!!!!
    1. Doze98's Avatar
      Doze98 -
      It would be embarrassing if he has pr0n
    1. DGPRodiGY-PSG's Avatar
      DGPRodiGY-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by ch0k30nm1b@77$ View Post
      ohhhh bad bad... whipe everything now!!!!!
      He can't dude :\, thats gonna be too obvious, even if he deletes all the PS3 stuff before giving it to sony they can just scan it for all the previous files.

      R.I.P. GeoHot <3
    1. Travis Hinchey's Avatar
      Travis Hinchey -
      Its not looking good for our rights. A country founded on freedoms and now we wont be able to modify our own electronics.
    1. mossopinc-PSG's Avatar
      mossopinc-PSG -
      wipe everything? why he aint done anything! and that WOULD look bad on him!
      pr0n? who cares if he has any?? theres nowt wrong in having that
    1. Storm-PSG's Avatar
      Storm-PSG -
      Sony don't care about the PS3 hacking code so much... they already have that anyway. They also know GeoHot did some of it. No, Sony want to track down any other hackers and chase them too. They want to get access to George's HD's to find contacts details, emails etc. I`m sure they've already said to George.... "give us the names and details of X, X, and X, and we'll let you off lightly", as I don't believe George did anything illegal. He didn't crack the system to an extent to allow piracy. He cracked it to an extent, and others allowed privacy. In fact, George was careful to try and keep the PS3 secure on the piracy front, and just wanted access to install Linux, which was something there originally anyway.

      Sony can't win with George, but maybe they think they can beat others with a big stick. I really don't think they can win at all, but it won't stop them trying to discourage as many hackers/developers as possible.
    1. NEO117-PSG's Avatar
      NEO117-PSG -
      So much for Geohot. Lets hope he gets out of this one... (I gotta admit I won't miss him though... the dick.)
    1. ch13696's Avatar
      ch13696 -
      Weird, I viewed his YouTube video, but I don't think it's private because... you know... I was able to view it. Maybe someone else posted the same video.
    1. Storm-PSG's Avatar
      Storm-PSG -
      Just wanted to ask what the story yesterday was about then? Either it was badly written/explained (not just on this site though), or I`m pretty stupid (also possible), as I`m sure it said that GeoHot didn't have to give up his pc's etc to Sony. 1 day later and I read he has to. Damn. Wassup with that?

      I understand Sony's wish to keep pirates off their machine. Fair enough. Piracy severely damages the industry, and there are plenty of families reliant on their jobs in the games/hardware/retail industry.

      What Sony need to do, instead of frothing at the mouth and going rabid, is to sit down with the homebrew developers, and work WITH them to allow homebrew (eg Linux and emulators etc) on the PS3, but to work out a way to detect pirated games. I`m not sure if that's possible, but it's worth investigating. If the Sony and Homebrew devs got together, it would be a much more secure, and better, system.
    1. lyricist's Avatar
      lyricist -
      This case is being influenced by outside of the court room politics..the federal government is now more active in dmca issues...if not this case would've been thrown out long ago..Sony does not have a leg to stand on 3.41 from geohot was and still is one of the hardest installs to use to install anything but emulators or homebrew..outside of that across all forums all I see is questions about how to install b.m.'s and no fixes so he did them a huge favor because those people could've easily done any of the other mods and would've just stopped buying games altogether. Now i'm not sure if anyone sees the timeline of this case...tuesday psn goes dark on dns and here we are thursday and seize records. Now as someone stated if geo was crazy enough to not have masked his contacts with alias names sony is in prime position to go after whomever circumvents 3.56 or even 3.56 when that comes about. I guess this is why wanin/kmeaw and nobody else has posted one single piece of information dating back to 11 days. I'm seriously thinking of just backing up my modded drive and going onto ofw 3.56 for the time being.
    1. DGPRodiGY-PSG's Avatar
      DGPRodiGY-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
      Just wanted to ask what the story yesterday was about then? Either it was badly written/explained (not just on this site though), or I`m pretty stupid (also possible), as I`m sure it said that GeoHot didn't have to give up his pc's etc to Sony. 1 day later and I read he has to. Damn. Wassup with that?

      I understand Sony's wish to keep pirates off their machine. Fair enough. Piracy severely damages the industry, and there are plenty of families reliant on their jobs in the games/hardware/retail industry.

      What Sony need to do, instead of frothing at the mouth and going rabid, is to sit down with the homebrew developers, and work WITH them to allow homebrew (eg Linux and emulators etc) on the PS3, but to work out a way to detect pirated games. I`m not sure if that's possible, but it's worth investigating. If the Sony and Homebrew devs got together, it would be a much more secure, and better, system.
      Totally Agree With You
    1. thebudman420-PSG's Avatar
      thebudman420-PSG -
      he will win when it finally goes to the supreme court, Then i hope sony has to pay him all the damages. But if i was him i would of already throw them drives out and replaced them with other drives, lol he has had plenty of time to do that. It isn't like they can prove it. Plus he could of said i don't have any hard drive as i used a live linux distribution that runs off of a cd lol. No trace then as once you reboot all info from memory is gone.
    1. poderpelon's Avatar
      poderpelon -
      Finaly

      I hope he goes to jail:o
    1. Mjollnir-PSG's Avatar
      Mjollnir-PSG -
      I understand Sony's wish to keep pirates off their machine. Fair enough. Piracy severely damages the industry, and there are plenty of families reliant on their jobs in the games/hardware/retail industry.
      Actually Piracy does very little to hurt the industry specially consoles and heres why

      Most people dont know how to install a CFW and a BM, now out of those that do know will either download the games, Hire them or borrow from a friend

      -Downloaded games most pirates will download anything have a look at it then never go back to it.. in most cases they would never have even thought about buying that game (sony didnt loose a sale here as they wouldnt have bought it in most cases - some are lost but its still a very small percentage.. much less then the over priced games in the first place cover for such piracy)

      - Hired games - the copy has been bought 1 time .. only people that are going to miss money here are the video shops from rehires from the same person (but in the end probably make more money from people hiring more games they wouldnt have now they can be backed up)

      - Borrowed from a friend.. same deal here 1 copy bought but instead now yer mate can have his original back quicker

      - Buy and return method.. once agin sony gets the 1 sale then EB games makes the money back from selling pre-owned
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      The main reason Sony would be going about it this way is because developers would pay a premium to Sony to cover copy protection makes developing games quicker and in some cases probably cheaper (many protection systems have very hefty licensing fee's)
      now Sony would have a legal obligation to the developers to make sure the system is secure from piracy

      the other reason is for online gaming hacks if the system is secure you dont need to develop Anti cheat within the game itself.. (again making it quicker and cheaper to develop)
    1. lyricist's Avatar
      lyricist -
      I see GeoHot being an extremely rich individual in under 5 years..i'm sure he's already gotten tons of solicitations about software and hardware security plus he's been working on that brain thing of his that has already been awarded several times...Like him and his ego or not he's a smart dude. I'd pay anything to be in that room when sony scans his drives and finds nothing but jpegs of middle fingers with the words F.T.W under it.
    1. sham021's Avatar
      sham021 -
      Quote Originally Posted by poderpelon View Post
      Finaly

      I hope he goes to jail:o
      hey **** U BRO, I don't even know what the hell you are still in this site if you don't like hacking and hombew....u should get kicked of this site.....ass
    1. slamride's Avatar
      slamride -
      hey sony ive got the code ...ive seen the code....you want it?????? screw you come get it
    1. still1's Avatar
      still1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by DGPRodiGY View Post
      He can't dude :\, thats gonna be too obvious, even if he deletes all the PS3 stuff before giving it to sony they can just scan it for all the previous files.

      R.I.P. GeoHot <3
      dude you are missing the point there are softwares available that can wipe the whole HDD and data in it can never be retrieved. if geohot is smart enough to hack ps3 he is smart enough to wipe all sensitive info and keep just the jailbreak code..... that wont make sony suspicious at all... dont be dumb
    1. PHPMyPS3's Avatar
      PHPMyPS3 -
      i hope geohot has a lot of money to pay his lawyers
    1. Thorn's Avatar
      Thorn -
      battle ships anyone?

      FYI he probably had allready taken a powerful magnet over his drives besides what is sony going to sue 50000 people that repost the key? i dont think so so repost the key anywere you can