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  • Gamers Opt Out - Opt Out of EULA's

    We reported to you a new Terms Of Service by Sony on the 15th September regarding section 15 of the agreement. "BINDING INDIVIDUAL ARBITRATION" This newly added clause basically waived your rights to sue them in any future class action lawsuits, that is if you agreed to it.

    Many were outraged and had the option to not agree and loose PSN access or to write Sony a letter opting out of the new TOS. A show of hands of those who actually did send a letter would probably amount to very few. Now there's a new method for those of you who want to opt out of any EULA's from game companies such as Sony and EA.

    Gamers Opt Out is a website devoted to our rights as an end user. It's co-founders include gamers such as ourselves who are sick and tired of big game corporations who's absurd EULA's delude us from our rights.




    A Quote From Their Website:

    Gamers Opt Out is a collective of gamers who are sick of absurd EULAs from game companies. These EULAs have clauses preventing class-action lawsuits, though you can opt out of the clauses by sending a letter. We want to make it easier for everyone to opt out because Sony, EA, et al, believe most people won't bother to. Let's show them they're wrong.

    We will make it easy for you to create the letter needed to send to these companies and can even send the letter on your behalf at no cost. All we ask is that if you like what we are doing, spread the word or donate to help with the cost of paper and postage.

    Source: Gamers Opt Out
    Comments 17 Comments
    1. xfri123's Avatar
      xfri123 -
      Lol. Just Ignore the EULA and accept it
    1. damanptyltd's Avatar
      damanptyltd -
      Quote Originally Posted by xfri123 View Post
      Lol. Just Ignore the EULA and accept it
      I'm pretty sure thats how a lot of wars and genocides started.
    1. ShiftBreak's Avatar
      ShiftBreak -
      Ignore it so I can get screwed over in the end? No thanks.
    1. j4m131's Avatar
      j4m131 -
      HEY DUDES VISIT WWW.PS3YOUTUBE.COM FROM YOUR PS3 BROWSER TO WATCH VIDS IN HD 1080p. YOU CAN EVEN DOWNLOAD AND SAVE TO YOUR HDD. ONCE YOU ARE THERE FOLLOW THE GREEN WRITING TO GET THE COOKIE AND BAM YOUR READY TO GO. shows just how much sony sucks bell end
    1. edwardecl's Avatar
      edwardecl -
      I thought EULA's didn't hold up in court anyway...

      Especially when 99% of people don't even read them, I know at least in the UK EULA's don't supersede other laws.
    1. ShiftBreak's Avatar
      ShiftBreak -
      I'm not sure about EULAs holding up in a US court, but I do know that 'not reading it' is not a valid defense here.
    1. Bartholomy's Avatar
      Bartholomy -
      Well, anyone who didn't accept that electronic contract, stick togheter and start a legal action for abuse of.... section 15, where you don't agree to sue them? Erm..
    1. Greg0u812's Avatar
      Greg0u812 -
      That would be funny as Hell Bartholomy!
    1. SC7639's Avatar
      SC7639 -
      I think it's ridiculous that they can put such things in their EULA's in the first place, since if you don't agree to them you are out of the PSN with no Online gaming, demo's, updates, DLC. There should be a law to stop ridiculous things being put into there online contracts!
    1. krytonic's Avatar
      krytonic -
      Quote Originally Posted by SC7639 View Post
      I think it's ridiculous that they can put such things in their EULA's in the first place, since if you don't agree to them you are out of the PSN with no Online gaming, demo's, updates, DLC. There should be a law to stop ridiculous things being put into there online contracts!
      A NEW law in the United States was made, so big coporations can do exactly this. The moment the law came in effect where companies can put in their EULA's that people can't do a class action against them, Sony got straight to it.

      Good luck getting a law to prevent it when the law was made for this to begin with. Glad I don't live in the US.
    1. Mthodmn101's Avatar
    1. Dulousaci's Avatar
      Dulousaci -
      Quote Originally Posted by krytonic View Post
      A NEW law in the United States was made, so big coporations can do exactly this. The moment the law came in effect where companies can put in their EULA's that people can't do a class action against them, Sony got straight to it.

      Good luck getting a law to prevent it when the law was made for this to begin with. Glad I don't live in the US.
      Not actually a law. It was a court decision. AT&T Mobility LLC v. Concepcion (4/27/2011). Supreme court ruled that businesses can put into their TOS that users waive the right to class action or agree to arbitration only.

      Things like this usually aren't allowed because of precedence of denying unconscionable agreements (en dot wikipedia dot org/wiki/Unconscionability). Sanity lost 5/4.
    1. laughingman's Avatar
      laughingman -
      edit: section 9843674387546443 You cannot sue sony if you dont accept or accept this agreement, suckers
    1. fj4's Avatar
      fj4 -
      I just get one of my cats or the 2-year-old my gf babysits to press X or hit Enter. The worst ones are shrink-wrap agreements on software. "By breaking this seal, you agree to the terms on the paperwork inside the box. If you don't agree, return the software." Never mind the fact that no store will refund you for opened software.
    1. laughingman's Avatar
      laughingman -
      Quote Originally Posted by fj4 View Post
      I just get one of my cats or the 2-year-old my gf babysits to press X or hit Enter. The worst ones are shrink-wrap agreements on software. "By breaking this seal, you agree to the terms on the paperwork inside the box. If you don't agree, return the software." Never mind the fact that no store will refund you for opened software.
      lol
    1. Bartholomy's Avatar
      Bartholomy -
      Quote Originally Posted by Edi8th99 View Post
      Well, anyone who didn't accept that electronic contract, stick togheter and start a legal action for abuse of.... section 15, where you don't agree to sue them? Erm..
      May i know why you keep copy paste my posts? No brain for write by yourself something in english?
    1. Greg0u812's Avatar
      Greg0u812 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomy View Post
      May i know why you keep copy paste my posts? No brain for write by yourself something in english?
      Seriously..........
      I just went and looked up his previous posts.............damn, what an asshat!

      Almost EVERY SINGLE POST is a copy and paste.
      Apparently he is trying to do a quick post build for some reason.

      It needs to be stopped and is about to be reported as soon as I finish typing this.
      I would appreciate it if others would help and throw in a couple of reports on him also.

      It might help to get him shut down.


      Edit.........
      He has officially been reported by me.