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  • Dongle Wars - The Scene vs TB/Cobra

    Recently, one very hot topic going around the scene is the discussion of True Blue and Cobra dongles, and whether they are good or bad. It has become a war of sorts, which has divided up the communities of the PS3 scene. Users are calling each other names, and are using labels such as pirate to describe fellow users. We here at PSX-Scene are 100% against bashing/bullying, and believe it to be an issue in the current PS3 scene that is not acceptable. There should be no bashing of Sites/People/Teams.


    To better understand the current state of the PS3 scene, let me take you back to the beginning. It all started with the release of a dongle that cost a couple hundred bucks, which lacked any quality security and was soon reverse engineered. So after that, the market was flooded with dongle clones, which everyone used to Jailbreak there PS3's on 3.41 OFW.

    Near the end of the 3.41 dongle era, a new dongle that offered more options for PS3 users was announced, the Cobra USB; which, if you had a backwards compatible PS3, you could now run PS1 and PS2 backups. Soon after, geohot used fail0verfl0w's tools and was able to bring the first 3.55 CFW to the public. Followed by backup enabled CFW shortly thereafter. Cobra USB soon followed suit with the release of 3.55 method, which allowed for better backup support than any other CFW.

    And then the True Blue dongle came out which allowed users to play the backups of newer games; games that Sony had successfully prevented users of CFW from playing. But with one major problem, you need special dics in order to play most some of the games, while others are playable via patches. The problem with the disc method is that the discs can become hard to come by, leaving users waiting for the latest patches. Unlike the Cobra dongle, the TB dongle does not offer any better backup support than the rest of the CFWs; well, except for the fact of playing newer backups.

    Now comes the big question. Are dongles like this a good thing or a bad thing? It basically comes down to personal opinion, but it is important in this day an age to make your own opinions instead of having them made for you.

    Pros:
    • This scene started because of a dongle.
    • These dongles allow for more options than the free options.
    • They are keeping the scene moving.
    • One day could be reversed and open sourced.
    • It is better than nothing.


    Cons:
    • They are not free, and neither is the information surrounding them (not open source).
    • They promote piracy.
    • They are moving the scene in the wrong direction.
    • Strong securities, and cracking it is expensive and time consuming.
    • Need special discs, or wait for patches. Discs not always available.


    The Dongles:
    • PS Jailbreak allowed for the very first homebrew to be made, as well as backup support. The primary function, backups.
    • Cobra USB allows for better back compatability, as well as PS1 and PS2 back support for BC models. Also, backup support for DVD/BR. Primary function, backups.
    • True Blue allows newer games to be played. Some require a patch, while others require a special disc. Primary function, backups.


    My opinion, what the hell does it matter why we are here, and if someone pirates or not. What people do with their money and life is their own damn business. If we really want to stop these dongles makers, then the work is going to need to be reverse engineered it and make it open source. After that, they would not be able to continue to monopolize the scene. Perhaps that would also force their hand, and they would reveal more tricks hidden up their sleeves; but on the other hand, Sony might be able to patch it easier. In the mean time, the best thing we can do is support the developers, and as a community we can hopefully all make some great progress and advancements.

    My thoughts; well, all the dongles are possibly the work of one person/team. They did not mean for the original dongle to be cracked so easily. They could possibly have more "secrets" they are waiting to release for the PS3. They are most likely watching the scene as closely as Sony, and Sony has been watching pretty damn close it seems. All that we know is there is someone out there with a lot more information than anyone else and they are not sharing. But perhaps they are in there own way, and perhaps our actions as communities will affect the outcome of future releases by this mystery team; what if they leave, then who really won?

    The bottom line is we as a scene need to stop fighting with each other. The only way to progress is to come together and share information. This needs to be the welcome place it was back when I first joined in September 2010. Reversing the PS Jailbreak is what made this scene. Reversing the Cobra/TB could be what breaks it. The war should not be between users, but between man and machine!

    So there it is, some pros and cons. I'm sure there are a ton of other issues left off this list too. What is your opinion on the Dongle Wars and where they are headed?
    Comments 122 Comments
    1. Jay-Jay's Avatar
      Jay-Jay -
      I'm really disgusted by this topic being broadcasted as front news. It only fuels the fire.. it doesn't help nor will it ever. I plan to no longer participate in these debates.. nor will I ever plan to participate in these topics (unless it's answering a question about help topics or providing USEFUL information.) I am boycotting these topics and hopefully others will participate in this boycot as well.

      I do appreciate that tthousand approached both sides of the argument without leaning or showing favoritism to either side. But at the same time I echo what bitsbubba said earlier in this topic. Do we really need to put another spotlight into this discussion? And if yes, how many times? Will a few thousand times do? There is already hundreds of topics in this board as well as in other sites debating this senseless issue. Are the news-writers now turning into ambulance chasers? Are we now all about drama topics? Is this a drama scene now? If yes, show me the door!

      To tell you the honest truth, there is no issue about the dongles. Like you said, it's the Dongle that opened the door for us to jailbreak our PS3s. We now can play backups of new games. And as another member said it best (I am going to do my best to quote his reply, because I can't recall where he posted this).

      **Start of Quote**
      People were asking for a solution after 3.60+ games could no longer be patched. An anonymous team brought forward their dongle and fixed it so it could not be reversed engineered to avoid Sony from being able to block it for future games. With this, we can continue playing newer games. But now some of the same people asking for a solution are now campaigning a war against them? What the hell? Some things can't risk going open-source, since then it will be easier for Sony to patch the newer games.. please try to understand this point!!
      **End of Quote**

      That's all I will ever say about this... (logging off)
    1. krytonic's Avatar
      krytonic -
      I personally think that TB/Cobra being hacked, and sony patching it the next day is better than people monopolising off the scene which is what the scene mostly tries to avoid in the first place.

      The dongles are the opposite of a "scene", really.
    1. barelynotlegal's Avatar
      barelynotlegal -
      In my eyes its a matter of preference. Besides i look at it like buying a modchip. Had to for the og xbox and other consoles. Had to buy a micro and extra battery for the pandora trick.
      Well its also..........do you eant to play newer games or stay stuck in the past. You will always have pirates. Always have always will.
      thanX for your time.
      oops forgot to say piracy is not good.
    1. bitsbubba's Avatar
      bitsbubba -
      Quote Originally Posted by krytonic View Post
      I personally think that TB/Cobra being hacked, and sony patching it the next day is better than people monopolising off the scene which is what the scene mostly tries to avoid in the first place.

      The dongles are the opposite of a "scene", really.
      I'd rather HAVE a solution then no solution at all
    1. krytonic's Avatar
      krytonic -
      Quote Originally Posted by bitsbubba View Post
      I'd rather HAVE a solution then no solution at all
      I don't like greed in any form, so I think the opposite.

      People saying these dongles are not an issue because the scene started on dongles.. Well that argument is void, since back then dongles were needed for the type of hack so that we could actually hack the console, now they aren't... Like I said, that argument is void.
    1. tthousand's Avatar
      tthousand -
      Good points Jay-Jay. This is still a young scene, and we are always trying to take things to the next step, and sometimes we take it to far. Thanks for your opinion, it is always well validated and appreciated.

      There's the castle, you raised the drawbridge, I can't cross the moat.
      I get it, there the VIP section; I don't got a wrist band, I'll just be at the bar.

      Quote Source: Hulu - Saturday Night Live: Scared Straight
    1. barelynotlegal's Avatar
      barelynotlegal -
      Quote Originally Posted by bitsbubba View Post
      I'd rather HAVE a solution then no solution at all
      tu che.
    1. tthousand's Avatar
      tthousand -
      Quote Originally Posted by krytonic View Post
      People saying these dongles are not an issue because the scene started on dongles.. Well that argument is void, since back then dongles were needed for the type of hack so that we could actually hack the console, now they aren't... Like I said, that argument is void.
      There has to yet to be any solid evidence of this, at least to my knowledge. The fact that their are clones mean perhaps some other dongles might work. Some DIY boards. I definelty appreciate the underdog, who is trying to make it free. But just open souce and other methods is what the people want.

      Things are not that bad, and could be a lot worse. If we have 2 clones of the TB so far, I believe there is hope.
    1. Bolec's Avatar
      Bolec -
      I registered to this site very early, since the first news of a working method to crack ps3 came out. I've been checking this site almost every day since then. I guess I am entitled to share my opinion.

      There should be no bashing of Sites/People/Teams.
      Well, I wouldn't be so sure about it. I didn't read all the comments so far, only the first and last page, but someone stated that it's not good for the scene when a team tries to monopolise it. I agree. And therefore if we won't say it out loud, that we don't like it, it will be sort of like - "they're quiet so it's okay for us to monopolise" - no, people need to say it out loud. What they think about it. Of course not in a manner as some of the people here do like "f*ck you, f*ck S***, f*ck xxx <- put a name here". But people should be entitled to have their own opinion and if they don't like some methods they should be allowed to say it out loud.

      So after that, the market was flooded with dongle clones, which everyone used to Jailbreak there PS3's on 3.41 OFW.
      That's not 100% true. Of course there were a lot of people using dongles, but I for one used my Android phone - HTC G1 - and I know there were many other people using "free" solution.

      They are keeping the scene moving.
      In my opinion this statement isn't true, because - as stated in cons - it moves the scene in the wrong direction. Moving just to move isn't the best idea, in my opinion. Because if you take 10 steps in the wrong direction, you might have to take 10 steps back in order to move in the right direction.

      It is better than nothing.
      This is sort of connected with my above statement. It's not a point for me.

      Reversing the Cobra/TB could be what breaks it.
      Yeah, while I agree I also have to say, that you could've said the same thing back then about PSJ. But, surprisingly, it didn't break the scene. Instead, it moved it forward. Then why must we be afraid of breaking these dongles? Maybe it will move the scene forward? You're forgetting that there are still skilled people that could use the information obtained upon breaking these dongles in a good - for a community and scene - way. Of course there are a lot of people who bought these dongles and they are now afraid that if the open solution comes out, it'll mean that they have wasted their money, that's why they're bashing ie. JB King.

      As for me - I used to pirate because I didn't have money to buy games. But I'm 23 years old and I found a job recently, so I updated my console to the original firmware because now I can buy games and enjoy them online. Of course it means that now I have like 5 games and I used to have 10 times more. But after all, I don't have that much time to play, so I'm pretty happy with what I have. I was never interested in emulators and such - other homebrew. I have a HTC Desire HD which handles the emulators pretty well and it's portable. I can also use my PS3 controller to play on the phone, so.. Yeah, I moved on. Maybe if one day I loose my job, I'm going to visit someone with the e3 flasher and let them downgrade my console, but as of now.. I'll just keep on checking this site just to be up-to-date with the news and keep buying my games. It's just my opinion, I'm not saying I'm right, maybe I am wrong. Peace, people.
    1. quotejoss's Avatar
      quotejoss -
      ok guys

      can i use a cobra dongle to play ps2 games on my non bc fat ps3? (cechJxx)

      im on kmeaw 3.55 and had a dongle back in the old 3.41 days, so im not new to this, just havn't been keeping up to date the last few months.

      and if the cobra dongle DOES play ps2 games, is it ripped iso's, or burned discs? or only original ps2 games?

      at the moment i use my 360 to play older games, but would be great to just use my ps3 for everything

      thanks
    1. aslkas's Avatar
      aslkas -
      Quote Originally Posted by Third Eye View Post
      This whole scene is retarded. Everyone is extremely impatient, so needy and never give any thanks, donations or just a pat on the back to the developers. Everyone takes everything for granted, I can even admit I'm like this at time. We have all PSL1GHT, SDK leaks, early versions of NoRSX. Not to be mean but nothing spectacular has come out, I couldn't do what 90% of the dev's do. (My C++ skills are rusty :-( ). Like tthousand mentioned in the post, someone out there's knows something more than the others, then someone will know more than that person and this is what we all rely on, but we take it for granted. But back to the article... Cobra all the way, PS1 and PS2 backups and playback is invaluable compared to new PS3 games on the TB. But then every dongle has its use. That's my opinion.
      Inpatient? Next month will be the 1 year anniversary of the first game to require 3.60 (Portal 2). In that time, we've gotten Multiman and Showtime updates, a handful of ported mods and crippled versions of Linux. We're tired of waiting. Unless you really love Uncharted and LittleBigPlanet or love tinkering with the PS3, you are way better off selling your PS3 and buying a media center PC, because at this point there is little a modded PS3 can do that even the $35 Raspberry Pi can't.
    1. brakk3n's Avatar
      brakk3n -
      Quote Originally Posted by Xellos View Post
      I am not sure what with the hate either.. a year or 2 ago people were happily buying dongle like p3 t-break for like $30 and no one has any complain, at least not until cfw start poping up.
      When the CFW was released an influx of every day people flashed their PS3 to obtain the ability to use Linux again, run homebrew and backups. These every day people are not sceners even though they believe they are. They are far from it. The hate is mainly spread by a couple of websites and moderators on those sites who promote their anti-Cobra/Trueblue agenda to feed their egos, get hits by spam/trolling attention whores and generall cause problems including dividing the scnee - they are no way sceners and are not helping at all. At least when I had a cause it was just and I made sense, but this idiot that goes by the name of Rasputin is a nutscase in a half shell. These sites/people are the main problem, but were to be expected with the fact that the CFW is FREE and Dongle's ARE NOT. Policitcs aside at the end of the day there is no moral "causes" or "heros" there are a bunch of stupid n00b's who are CHEAP an want it all for free - including the Dongle code. Point of the original post - go crack the Dongles or STFU.
    1. zzk2001's Avatar
      zzk2001 -
      I am all for new things and new devices for the PS3 to help load homebrew and play my newer games BUT... I do hate having to re-buy newer devices When i have a working dongle "so to speak"

      I Got 1 of the first dongle's back when flashing Hermes and Payload v3 etc was the thing, It would be nice if i could flash over a True-Blue payload onto it that way i don't need to fork over yet another $30+ just to have the next new thing come out in 2-3months.
    1. Chanel's Avatar
      Chanel -
      The eboot method (but probably more easy recently and with some differences for retails console) is something really really old (and just need right hardware and a not so advance computer knowledge), used for debug console long time ago by "the inner circle" (yes the same saying they don t like piracy).
      Can be from different types of eboot, probably only retails right now.
      Don t pretend Sony don t know what s happening to theirs eboots.
      They even don t even need one single true blue dongle to know that fact.

      True blue team also have fews "testers" (will say a different name for such cheap people)
      Thoses peoples, in general fews public face (loudly talkative, with a large amount of post) will make advertisement to trueblue, spreading false informations etc..

      One of those tester went complete nut after Uncharted has been leaked (so he/she wasn t anymore one of the first playing it)

      They made a deal with others teams such as:
      not releasing anything more or just cheap games: Bones
      with others devs such as:
      Pretending you are going to hack cobra/trueblue: Hopes

      Somes news web sites make sure also to don t give credits enough to inde releases so basically the 5 or 6 peoples doing it for free (when it wasn t for them) just don t care anymore.
    1. spok's Avatar
      spok -
      Quote Originally Posted by zzk2001 View Post
      I am all for new things and new devices for the PS3 to help load homebrew and play my newer games BUT... I do hate having to re-buy newer devices When i have a working dongle "so to speak"

      I Got 1 of the first dongle's back when flashing Hermes and Payload v3 etc was the thing, It would be nice if i could flash over a True-Blue payload onto it that way i don't need to fork over yet another $30+ just to have the next new thing come out in 2-3months.
      same here & i always repeat that i never had problem 2 buy a dongle, but refuse 2 end up with anothers collecting dust & since i dont have time 2 play all day, instead of buying another console i have a gaming book 4 new games with 3 online, so i use my PS3 only 4 watchin MKVs, playin exclusive & PSN games if TV is not occupied
    1. Blueprint88's Avatar
      Blueprint88 -
      Quote Originally Posted by adolink View Post
      Without the dongles this scene would be dead! Hacking past fw 3.55 still is unavailable the last time I checked! Thanks to all of the hackers that are too afraid to release their work, its nice to know for a measly $60 someone has been able find an alternate solution to reading maths boring posts about how he knows everything and will never release anything of value to the hacking community. Seriously psx scene should just change its name to PS Vita scene with the ocassional chance of a TB+Cobra/Duplex psn release. Not trying to be a hater but seriously I check this site 10 times a day since original JB came out and its always such a let down.
      Just want to say I love the Mathaloo hate. That guy deserves the PSX-Scene prick tease award of the year, or maybe just the prick of the year award. I don't care if he does know everything, he has lost all cred by claiming knowledge and then never sharing. Wouldn't it be funny if after all his hot air it turned out he was the brains behind TB.....that would be funny.

      Also fully agree.....bring on the Vita hacking as I have one of those and can't wait to open it up to emulation and iso loaders. BTW Drake game is awesome don't know why so many haters on PSP/Vita with game critics. Drake AAA game and loving Rayman if you like dpad old skrool platforming action this is a good game.....the tunes are snappy as well!!!
    1. BahumatLord's Avatar
      BahumatLord -
      Quote Originally Posted by Blueprint88 View Post
      Just want to say I love the Mathaloo hate. That guy deserves the PSX-Scene prick tease award of the year, or maybe just the prick of the year award. I don't care if he does know everything, he has lost all cred by claiming knowledge and then never sharing. Wouldn't it be funny if after all his hot air it turned out he was the brains behind TB.....that would be funny.

      Also fully agree.....bring on the Vita hacking as I have one of those and can't wait to open it up to emulation and iso loaders. BTW Drake game is awesome don't know why so many haters on PSP/Vita with game critics. Drake AAA game and loving Rayman if you like dpad old skrool platforming action this is a good game.....the tunes are snappy as well!!!
      I promised myself I'd' stay out of this thread but I just had to say this - I've seen strippers that are less of a prick tease than Math. And he didn't lose all cred by not sharing knowledge. He lost cred by claiming knowledge that it was proved he didn't have. He's been called on that knowledge several times by more talented people
    1. fistofdeath's Avatar
      fistofdeath -
      In my opinion, everyone can do what he thinks he must do...Some want to sell these dongles and others want to buy them. I understand both positions.
      There is no need to blame the "donglers" (those who develop dongles)^^ and why they dont want to share how they work...

      I think there is always an other way! We should start with ourselves and think about the fact "why are we so pi... off" about these situations. Maybe its the lack of knowledge we have and the fact we cant do anything against it?!

      Like someone said before, we should improve our knowledge of "how to..." or just "start" to educate ourselves.
      We need better tutorials and a good newbie section on how to start to develop. Together we could certainly achieve something!
      I am also a so called newbie, but i started and i am giving my best!

      Instead of crying "why or why not", go out and start!
    1. Goku1992's Avatar
      Goku1992 -
      I am going to agree with Jay-Jay this will be the last time I ever comment about TB/Cobra Drama.
      Cobra/TB are doing something while the other devs aren't. If I am wrong but didn't people want a solution abut devs making the newer games work while remaining anonymous? So that Sony wont patch it? So are they morally wrong for making people pay for the dongle? We have our solution.

      I'm going to learn how to downgrade consoles and do what I see the guy doing down who lives by me and start to charge people. I'm pretty good in computers so it shouldn't be that difficult.

      TB/Cobra has inspired me on how to learn how to dual boot a ps3 console or downgrade a ps3 console. I rather get paid than work for free
      Previously I bashed the dev's because of their opinion to work for free so I would like to apologize for that.

      My only concern is can I play the newer games and yes I can do that. So with that being said I play my PS3 games and not care/worry about other people opinions about the dongle. I already voiced my opinion time and time again. For those who hate the dongle then hate it I wouldn't care less not any time soon anyone is going to release the secret for free. And if Sony do patch it down the road I couldn't care less I would have a ton of PS3 games to play on my jailbroken console.

      TB/Cobra keep up the good work (Jailbreak King/ JB2USB) I hate the fact that you leeched off of TB but I still respect you guys for not giving out the secret let all of the haters hate.

      DRM Dongles > Everything else
    1. chibiwings's Avatar
      chibiwings -
      did someone made any progress the way the new sh***y dongles did today? fuelling the drama again? good thing the Vita scene is emerging. good thing i decided to just stay on my OFW console. sheesh.
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