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  • Geohot Ordered to Hand Over Hard Drives to Sony

    The legal battle between Sony and George Hotz (geohot), took a surprising turn today. U.S. District Judge Susan Illston ruled from the bench, ordering geohot to hand over his computer hard drives to Sony. The electronics maker will be allowed to examine the drives with a fine tooth comb and retrieve information "that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation".

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    Sony to Inspect PlayStation Hacker’s Hard Drive

    SAN FRANCISCO — PlayStation 3 jailbreaker George Hotz must allow console-maker Sony to comb through his computer’s hard drive and retrieve information “that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation,” a federal judge ruled Thursday.

    U.S. District Judge Susan Illston’s ruled from the bench in Sony’s ongoing legal action against the New Jersey hacker, who goes by GeoHot. The lawsuit is in connection to the 21-year-old being the first to fully hack the 4-year-old console, a jailbreak allowing it to play pirated and home-brewed games.

    Hotz posted the code on his website last month, and put a how-to video on YouTube. That landed him in court here on Digital Millennium Copyright Act civil allegations. Among other things, Sony accuses him of trafficking in devices that circumvent controls meant to protect copyrighted works.

    In the Thursday hearing, Hotz’ attorney, Stewart Kellar, objected to the judge’s bench order, saying Sony would be able to “observe” the contents of all his client’s files.

    “That’s the breaks,” Illston said.

    Hotz has already removed the YouTube video and the code from his website to comport with the judge’s earlier orders.

    The judge had originally ruled weeks ago that Hotz must surrender all of his computer gear to Sony. But Kellar asked for reconsideration, and a hearing was hastily called Thursday

    Illston informed Kellar that it was routine for the entire contents of computers to be searched in a bid to isolate what is being sought, as in child ****ography prosecutions.

    “Your honor, we’re certainly not dealing with child ****ography in this issue,” Kellar replied.

    Moments later, the judge responded:

    “Here, I find probable cause that your client has got these things on his computer,” she said. “It’s a problem when more than one thing is kept on the computer. I’ll make sure the order is and will be that Sony is only entitled to isolate … the information on the computer that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation.”

    The DMCA makes it either a civil or criminal offense to traffic in wares meant to circumvent devices protecting copyrighted works. Performing a similar hack on a mobile phone is lawful.

    Sony’s attorney, James Gilliland, was quick to point out to Illston that the mobile phone is not at issue here. “The conduct Mr. Hotz has engaged in is still covered by the DMCA,” he said.

    The judge also backed off on an order that Hotz “retrieve” the code from anybody who he may have forwarded it to.

    “It’s information. It can’t be retrieved. It’s just not practical,” Illston said. “What would they do, Xerox it and mail it back? ”

    Illston said she changed her mind because she was not clearly aware of the details in her earlier order.

    “This kind of got away from me and I apologize for that,” she said from the bench.

    The judge ordered Sony and Kellar to confer with each other on the parameters of where and when Hotz would allow Sony to sift through his computer. She also ordered him not to delete or modify any files connected to the jailbreak.

    Meanwhile, Sony is threatening to sue [.pdf] anybody posting the code, even though Sony accidentally tweeted it earlier this week.

    Sony’s attorney, Gilliland, said the Japanese console maker has been sending out an undisclosed number of DMCA “takedown” notices to websites demanding the code’s removal.

    Sony is also asking Judge Illston to order Google to surrender the IP addresses [.pdf] and other identifying information of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on Hotz’ private YouTube page. The game maker is also demanding that Twitter provide the identities of a host of hackers who first unveiled a limited version of the hack in December.

    A hearing on that is scheduled next month. Sony is seeking unspecified damages.
    Source: Wired
    Source: PSX-Scene
    Comments 82 Comments
    1. TheSoldier's Avatar
      TheSoldier -
      Why doesn't Geohot's kill the main person behind suing him?

      Sue hungry now adays.
    1. DaNextMan's Avatar
      DaNextMan -
      first copy, thanks to One2thr456svn for the megaupload of the 'banned' post...

      s3up:KEYS-PSfrees3up:
      s3up:Archos Fans OFF-Topic areas3up: - please look around after, i promised them...
      s3up:AnythingButIPOD's Random Chat areas3up: as with above, please look around...

      just to copy to these forums' "off topic" sections:

      Hardforum.com - i'll ask their moderator where to put things...

      Moral support is what'll help keep geohot mentally fit for fight...
    1. Turkish-PSG's Avatar
      Turkish-PSG -
      LOLOL VICTORY FOR SONY!


      Go PS3! Go SOny! Go gamers! Cheaters never prosper!
    1. DaNextMan's Avatar
      DaNextMan -
      Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
      LOLOL VICTORY FOR SONY!


      Go PS3! Go SOny! Go gamers! Cheaters never prosper!
      geohot laughing at you will give him an energy boost,
      that and the Moral BOOST will help him well on his way
      to victory. If you want to hurt Geohot, Shutup.
      If you want to help geohot, keep trolling.

      u got bak trol'd by sum next mandem... INIT!
    1. reloaded231-PSG's Avatar
      reloaded231-PSG -
      what has the leagal system come to its crazy you feed your kids McD's everyday and they get fat so what do you do you sue McD's cause your a money hungry whore and win "yes that has happend and she did win" someone breaks into your house slips and falls on one of your kids toys breaks there leg and sues cause they didnt make it out the door with your big screen tv and wins "not totaly like that but close enuff and yes he won" so whats next you buy a sony vio laptop with windows on it but you like linux so you put linux on it and sony sues and wins
    1. bearmon2010-PSG's Avatar
      bearmon2010-PSG -
      Dont buy sony products from now on.. can you ? Spread your friends and families. Sony hurts us and disrespectful to us. Where's our rights ? Fight back just like in Egypt. They are the best european people that fight back and wont give up. Why can't we do the same for America ? DO IT!
    1. pvtsonikeys's Avatar
      pvtsonikeys -
      Quote Originally Posted by DaNextMan View Post
      first copy, thanks to One2thr456svn for the megaupload of the 'banned' post...

      s3up:KEYS-PSfrees3up:
      s3up:Archos Fans OFF-Topic areas3up: - please look around after, i promised them...
      s3up:AnythingButIPOD's Random Chat areas3up: as with above, please look around...

      just to copy to these forums' "off topic" sections:

      Hardforum.com - i'll ask their moderator where to put things...

      Moral support is what'll help keep geohot mentally fit for fight...
      here's my contribution worldwide!!!

      http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/p...00002119863766

      Then just go to notes!!!
    1. pricksause's Avatar
      pricksause -
      Well, at least its only dealing with the jailbreak. Hence he's free to wipe out anything related to the other hackers.
    1. TheReaper's Avatar
      TheReaper -
      hope she is atleast getting payed well.
    1. Rayn-PSG's Avatar
      Rayn-PSG -
      lol get real Sony... If I, an above average PC user, know how to securely wipe data and modify logs and mod.dates, effectively making it impossible to retrieve data and prove it was there in the 1st place, than Geohot is a f-ing expert on it. Good luck finding anything useful.

      If anything, with this whole debacle, Sony has proven to me just how slow thinking, old school, ignorant dinosaur they really are. Pathetic, and something I'd expect from a 2nd class local company, not a world class corporation.
      Good luck, Sony. You're gonna need it.
    1. Greg0u812's Avatar
      Greg0u812 -
      Quote Originally Posted by DaNextMan View Post
      s3up:AnythingButIPOD's Random Chat areas3up: as with above, please look around...
      Had to unofficially give up my "membership card" to this site when my wife gave me an Ipod Nano a few weeks ago.

      Been a member for quite a while and love the site.
      Will have to go check out the post.
    1. daboijordan's Avatar
      daboijordan -
      http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/son...ave-purchased/
      help fight sony sign and repost and help spread the word
    1. synce-PSG's Avatar
      synce-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by Rayn View Post
      lol get real Sony... If I, an above average PC user, know how to securely wipe data and modify logs and mod.dates, effectively making it impossible to retrieve data and prove it was there in the 1st place, than Geohot is a f-ing expert on it. Good luck finding anything useful.

      If anything, with this whole debacle, Sony has proven to me just how slow thinking, old school, ignorant dinosaur they really are. Pathetic, and something I'd expect from a 2nd class local company, not a world class corporation.
      Good luck, Sony. You're gonna need it.
      It takes days to securely wipe data, and wiping the data or refusing to give some encrypted data's password could get you in trouble just as well. Just thought I'd let you know before you get too reckless
    1. carlos-PSG's Avatar
      carlos-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
      What Sony need to do, instead of frothing at the mouth and going rabid, is to sit down with the homebrew developers, and work WITH them to allow homebrew (eg Linux and emulators etc) on the PS3, but to work out a way to detect pirated games. I`m not sure if that's possible, but it's worth investigating.
      Just in case you have missed it - that is *exactly* what Sony used to do. It was called OtherOS Best security measure on a console. Ever. For some reason they removed it
    1. psapsa's Avatar
      psapsa -
      Sony, please sue me too.

      http://www.facebook.com/notes/pedro-...63315993719986
    1. Retroact1ve's Avatar
      Retroact1ve -
      Quote Originally Posted by ch0k30nm1b@77$ View Post
      ohhhh bad bad... whipe everything now!!!!!
      A lot of people keep talking about how george should wipe his drive now. I think a lot of you guys forget the sequence of events. Remember Sony first attempted a TRO and it was delayed/denied. It was not until a bit later when it was granted. He had that initial week after that close call to legally destroy the drives. All he had to do was ditch those drives at the very minute he was notified of a attempt at a TRO, and the subsequent week or however long he had after that first attempt at the TRO failed.

      What I would have done was right after the first attempt failed made a video proving what month/day it was and the video would of been me destroying the drives. There would be nothing they could do because A.) I proved I destroyed the drives when there was not an active TRO and B.) now would no longer have any evidence to carry the case any further. I do not doubt perhaps the drives handed over were not the originals (as the orignals were destroyed after his warning and the TRO attempt failed) or it is cleverly encrypted to an extent it would not be decrypted for months or even years, and all he would have to do is prove/claim it was encrypted from the get go.

      But if it's the latter Sony could get a court order for Geo to hand over the keys to decrypt. I also have to agree if he did not get rid of the original drives when he was not under an active TRO... he's just lacking in the common sense department, as much as I like the guy. Good luck to him though.
    1. Rayn-PSG's Avatar
      Rayn-PSG -
      Quote Originally Posted by synce View Post
      It takes days to securely wipe data, and wiping the data or refusing to give some encrypted data's password could get you in trouble just as well. Just thought I'd let you know before you get too reckless
      What are you talking about? Most password protection is useless...
      Using the DoD (U.S. Department of Defense) standard of secure data wiping, there is no way to retrieve it, and this is widely available today. Even some freeware apps have it, and it takes about 10x the time a usual deletion takes. And you're also forgetting programs made by a single programmer rarely top a few MB's, so deletion of this would take a few mins to an hour. Erasing the entire HDD would be idiotic; ofc only the files in question would be erased + logs and registry edited (ofc only if the person knows exactly what they're doing, but I'm guessing Geohot knows more about this than we do).

      Just goes to show how little most people know about data security... in this case, luckily for Geohot. The judge assigned is obviously in over her head here.
    1. LINGRO4343's Avatar
      LINGRO4343 -
      It's all good I still have GEOHOTZ JB file on my USB!!!!!
    1. LINGRO4343's Avatar
      LINGRO4343 -
      It's all good I still have GEOHOTZ JB file on my USB!!
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