Team Cobra Announces Cobra Optical Disc Emulator

[brakk3n]

The main thing is what is better CFW or ODD?

I think they can not exist simultaneously ---must be only one thing.

I talked to devs on IRC---and they told me 3k3y sucks.
So I do not know why they said it--maybe they like when ps3 has more freedom with homebrews.

Anyway---customer will vote with its own money what they want to have in ps3.

But the question remains open -----CFW or ODD or Both ?

I see no reason why you could not use the 3K3Y ODE on CFW due to the fact it requires it to begin with. However, you would not be able to use the ODE for it's intended purpose on CFW.

CFW by all means permits homebrew and backups while the ODE only permits backups which is why developers probably have no interest in the devices.

In theory with a hardware flasher you could switch between OFW+ODE and CFW+ODE, but that would probably only be done by a handful of people.

The purpose of the ODE is to boot backups with 100% compatibility while retaining the use of an unmodified OFW.

There is a gigantic market for piracy and obtaining or downgrading PS3's for new adopters is not something that is very common which you can see reflected by the lack of growth in the scene. Most CFW users have been around since Jailbreaks and 3.55 CFW were realized and are dead set on using CFW as it does have it's advantages and of course it's disadvantages. New CFW users are a dime a dozen.

So to sum it up if you want to be able to easily copy and play pirated games on PSN with 100% compatibility with OFW then get an ODE. Also, once an ODE is installed there is really no way to brick your console and it's very easy to use opening up a very large market for installers (sceners who buy ODE's to install for people who aren't smart enough or don't want to learn how to do it themselves - and this is a pretty big market).

If you want to use CFW expect less compatibility, chances of bricks (which happen a lot), but the advantage of being able to boot homebrew and most backups. However, it is more cumbersome and suited for sceners and are not easily resellable and maintained by/for your customers as your customers happen to not understand how to use CFW.

[vronz]

@brakk3n

as someone that knows how to obtain the keys in question i don't see any option those keys to be obtained on OFW or on console that cannot be downgraded to 3.55CFW - in fact that seems to me as equal to the task of fining way of downgrading PS3 units manufactured in the last 2 years, which if done would again make ODE pointless.

[brakk3n]

@brakk3n

as someone that knows how to obtain the keys in question i don't see any option those keys to be obtained on OFW or on console that cannot be downgraded to 3.55CFW - in fact that seems to me as equal to the task of fining way of downgrading PS3 units manufactured in the last 2 years, which if done would again make ODE pointless.

Downgrading a PS3 is totally different then retrieving the keys for the BD-ROM drive. 3K3Y is taking the easy way and using CFW, but it is totally possible to obtain these keys through probing the hardware with a hardware device. You can't downgrade certain PS3's to CFW because they simply do not contain the requirements to do so, but obtaining just the keys from the BD-ROM has nothing to do with downgrading and hopefully Cobra has figured out how to using probing device on any PS3. Don't say it's not possible because it is and you cannot compare grabbing the keys from the BD-ROM with hardware to trying to downgrade the entire system - they are two totally different things.

[vronz]

it is totally possible to obtain these keys through probing the hardware with a hardware device.

what you're saying is ridiculous, because effectively you're saying AES256 can be cracked with "probing the hardware with a hardware device" - if that is the case then AES256 provides no security any longer, i.e. it's hacked and that would be quite big news, it's even bigger news what that "hardware device" used for probing would be. so, those "promises" made by the future ODE makers are unsubstantiated and from my point of view are just marketing tricks, i.e. false-advertisement to make less knowledgeable people buy their device in some kind of hope or by mistake.

[Menace]

if cobra ODE works on consoles with 4.31 OFW then that would be interesting

thats the only selling point...if it can do that

[brakk3n]

what you're saying is ridiculous, because effectively you're saying AES256 can be cracked with "probing the hardware with a hardware device" - if that is the case then AES256 provides no security any longer, i.e. it's hacked and that would be quite big news, it's even bigger news what that "hardware device" used for probing would be. so, those "promises" made by the future ODE makers are unsubstantiated and from my point of view are just marketing tricks, i.e. false-advertisement to make less knowledgeable people buy their device in some kind of hope or by mistake.

There's tons of less knowledgeable people using probing devices to grab their XBOX 360 keys and with all the talk it seems to be a totally viable option on the PS3 as well. I hope you're wrong about your marketing trickery theory.

[CS67700]

much lower chance of being banned from PSN, don't have to keep installing new CFWs. i would take an ODE over CFW any day of the week-- it's a much cleaner solution to defeating the DRM. on the down side, if you're penny-pinching then stick with CFW.

Wrong.

They will just make basic BR checks and flag for ban like Microsoft does.

They CAN know if you're using a drive emulator or the real thing.

Also, I'm pretty sure you'll need to be on CFW to run this, and Sony knows if you're on CFW or OFW.

So the whole "not gonna be banned" thingy is falling apart.

Not mentioning that you'll probably need to patch your games like Xbox games to make it look like a perfect copy and avoid detection.

Penny-pinching ?

Well, let them surprise me, but I'm pretty sure this thing will sell for around 100USD. I can go eat at the restaurant for a whole week with that. So penny pinching ? Hahaha

You're part of the sales team ?

[ridesideways]

Wrong.

They will just make basic BR checks and flag for ban like Microsoft does.

They CAN know if you're using a drive emulator or the real thing.

Also, I'm pretty sure you'll need to be on CFW to run this, and Sony knows if you're on CFW or OFW.

So the whole "not gonna be banned" thingy is falling apart.

Not mentioning that you'll probably need to patch your games like Xbox games to make it look like a perfect copy and avoid detection.

Penny-pinching ?

Well, let them surprise me, but I'm pretty sure this thing will sell for around 100USD. I can go eat at the restaurant for a whole week with that. So penny pinching ? Hahaha

You're part of the sales team ?

lol YES you've figured me out-- i am part of the sales team! ummm no. i like ODEs because they're the correct technical solution to storing games on a hard drive. you won't use CFW to run the ODE hardware! pay attention to what you're saying dude! do some research and think before you spew nonsense! you use OFW when you have the ODE. you don't flash your console ever again except the standard sony OFW updates. i like having OFW because there's less chance of bricking, even by users who are not PS scene experts.

regarding banning, there are no credible cases of people being banned on xbox because of the xkey in it's 2 years of existence. the reason is that it's much harder to detect an ODE than detecting custom firmware. i'm not saying it's "impossible" to detect, but that they probably won't detect it. why do i think it's "much harder to detect"? because all sony can do is look at the timing of the data that is coming from the optical drive bus and "guess" if the timing looks like an optical drive, or not. i don't think sony will get into the guessing game when it comes to banning people.

yes worrying about $100 to buy an ODE for a game system that you spend $50+ per game is penny pinching (for me). so the ODE costs 2 games, big whip-- i'll take it for the simplicity, engineering elegance, and peace of mind. but i am an adult with a good paying full time job.

the ODE isn't for everyone, but it's for me. i suspect there are others like me. so anyone saying the ODE is useless just proves they're close-minded.

[krytonic]

lol YES you've figured me out-- i am part of the sales team! ummm no. i like ODEs because they're the correct technical solution to storing games on a hard drive. you won't use CFW to run the ODE hardware! pay attention to what you're saying dude! do some research and think before you spew nonsense! you use OFW when you have the ODE. you don't flash your console ever again except the standard sony OFW updates. i like having OFW because there's less chance of bricking, even by users who are not PS scene experts.

regarding banning, there are no credible cases of people being banned on xbox because of the xkey in it's 2 years of existence. the reason is that it's much harder to detect an ODE than detecting custom firmware. i'm not saying it's "impossible" to detect, but that they probably won't detect it. why do i think it's "much harder to detect"? because all sony can do is look at the timing of the data that is coming from the optical drive bus and "guess" if the timing looks like an optical drive, or not. i don't think sony will get into the guessing game when it comes to banning people.

yes worrying about $100 to buy an ODE for a game system that you spend $50+ per game is penny pinching (for me). so the ODE costs 2 games, big whip-- i'll take it for the simplicity, engineering elegance, and peace of mind. but i am an adult with a good paying full time job.

the ODE isn't for everyone, but it's for me. i suspect there are others like me. so anyone saying the ODE is useless just proves they're close-minded.

OBE are not the correct way to modify your PS3 though.

Will it allow me to play homebrew?
Will Showtime still work?
Will my emulators still work?

The answer is simply no. CFW, is far better than OBE because you can do a lot more with it. OBE will be for a minority while CFW for the majority, not because of the money involved. I am not a penny pincher because I don't want it you have to be pretty closed minded to think that.

[brakk3n]

yes worrying about $100 to buy an ODE for a game system that you spend $50+ per game is penny pinching (for me). so the ODE costs 2 games, big whip-- i'll take it for the simplicity, engineering elegance, and peace of mind. but i am an adult with a good paying full time job.

ROFL ... Like the cheapos who thought the for the price of 1 game that a device allowing you to play hundreds of others which at the time could be played no way else was too much. Sure, FREE is good, but I'm with you on this. Spending as much for 2 games to enjoy the ODEs functionality (and the other positives you mentioned) is well worth it.

[racco]

look good

[djluiluv]

Im so excited I can barley contain myself over this...lol

[mingorad]

It might work for the 4.21 ofw+ users. Thats a big deal in my book. But Rogero 4.30 is what im on and love it. I have 2 big issues though. Cant play 2 games that i really want to try. I have never been able to get LA Noire or Red Dead Redemption to work. Not even when i was on 3.55. I hear those games are good. Please help.

well Read Dead and La Noire are just working fine on Kmeaw 3.55 with eboot fixes .