Sony Gearing Up To Issue The Ban Hammer - CFW Users Beware!

[CS67700]

Ripping the Blu-Ray game to the hard drive is not pirating. As long as you own the original, it is not pirating. Downloading something you didn't pay for, that's pirating.

Also ripping the game does not bypass any copy protection on the disc. In the US you are legally allowed to make backups of the games as long as you own the original. Once you no longer have the original, you must destroy any backups you have.

That's street legends, thats what everyone wants to believe.
But in a court your argument doesn't stand.

You have no right to copy the content unless you have the authorization from the author or copyright holder. It is thoroughly mentioned on the back of EVERY bluray or game.
Nowhere I have seen, on a movie, nor on a game, written that it was ok to make a copy if you bought it.

Ripping to your hard drive is making a copy.

And yes, there is copy protection on a bluray (HDCP) and you bypass that protection when ripping it with Multiman.
And you are NOT allowed to bypass that protection.

It is tolerated, but not legal.

I find it pretty hypocrite to point others as "pirates" while everyone is pretty much pirating here.

I just see peoples playing with words, nothing more.

[Goku1992]

@CS67700
I agree with you. Like I said earlier it's all about the mechanics since basically even if you do own the legit version of the game and back it up on CFW Sony will still think that you are pirating the game.

Sony's logic:

If we have the digital version of the game why are users using CFW to back up their games... they must be pirates that's the first thing that comes to mind and 98% of the time it's true for most cases.

It's like idk which EULA/TOS it was but it strictly said you can not go on PSN with a modified firmware or that would be grounds of termination of the PSN account. Reason why I am actually pushing the bannings is because CFW users really have no business being on OFW PSN.

Nothing to do with cheating/hacking but overall CFW is a privilege itself but some people take the initiative and they want to have the whole 9 yards. But I am sorry if you pirated a game you have no business online and if you buy your games then you just need to have a separate PS3 for on-line gaming. Sony got a sale on right now buy a new ps3 with 2 games for $200 bucks there is really no excuse now to own 2 consoles.

Overall if you haven't noticed Sony wasn't really doing anything to CFW users after the past 2 years it's just the public key leaks what made Sony do something about PSN.It just kills me seeing many threads about people having their ps3 banned when they were warned by this and most importantly ME OF ALL PEOPLE IN ADVANCE that Sony was going to start banning consoles. Me personally I don't think that no pirated game is worth my PSN account being banned for.

If I want to do piracy/homebrew I simply bought another PS3 on ebay with CFW. Gotta pay out the ass LOL but you gotta do what you gotta do.

[ahou]

That's street legends, thats what everyone wants to believe.
But in a court your argument doesn't stand.

You have no right to copy the content unless you have the authorization from the author or copyright holder. It is thoroughly mentioned on the back of EVERY bluray or game.
Nowhere I have seen, on a movie, nor on a game, written that it was ok to make a copy if you bought it.

Ripping to your hard drive is making a copy.

And yes, there is copy protection on a bluray (HDCP) and you bypass that protection when ripping it with Multiman.
And you are NOT allowed to bypass that protection.

It is tolerated, but not legal.

I find it pretty hypocrite to point others as "pirates" while everyone is pretty much pirating here.

I just see peoples playing with words, nothing more.

No, it is in fact 100% legal to make backups for your own personal use.

HDCP does not apply to video games. HDCP encrypts the video signal that is sent to your tv, not the data on the disc.

[CS67700]

No, it is in fact 100% legal to make backups for your own personal use.

HDCP does not apply to video games. HDCP encrypts the video signal that is sent to your tv, not the data on the disc.

If you can quote the law that states that, or even scan a game jacket that specifically mentions it, I'll believe you.

But you wont, and can't, because it doesn't exist.

I'm not into international law, but the back of the jacket (looking at one right now) clearly states that any copy is illegal without authorization of the copyright holder.

When you bought your game, you paid for one copy, not two.

Either it's on a hard drive or a CD, you are not allowed to duplicate the content since you do not own the right to do so.

"I just made a copy because I wanted to keep my original safe", you would be laughed out of the court with an argument like that. By the book, you have illegally copied copyrighted content, end of story. And you would be charged for it.

We all know though that no one here is going to jail for copying games, but I just find it hypocrite to call others "pirates" while we're all soaked in it.

In fact, Section 117 is quite explicit in stating that any archival copy prepared under Section 117(2) can only be transferred to another person if, and only if: A) The original copy is also transferred, and only with the authorization of the copyright owner, and B) The transfer is part of the sale of all rights in the program.

[krytonic]

That's street legends, thats what everyone wants to believe.
But in a court your argument doesn't stand.

You have no right to copy the content unless you have the authorization from the author or copyright holder. It is thoroughly mentioned on the back of EVERY bluray or game.
Nowhere I have seen, on a movie, nor on a game, written that it was ok to make a copy if you bought it.

Ripping to your hard drive is making a copy.

And yes, there is copy protection on a bluray (HDCP) and you bypass that protection when ripping it with Multiman.
And you are NOT allowed to bypass that protection.

It is tolerated, but not legal.

I find it pretty hypocrite to point others as "pirates" while everyone is pretty much pirating here.

I just see peoples playing with words, nothing more.

You are wrong. At least in the UK you are wrong. The law specifically says, that as long as you legally own a CD/DVD/Whatever, you are legally allowed to make as many copies of it as you want, in any form, as long as you don't distribute it or give it away etc. What makes you think it being on the back of a game makes it law? Seriously? On the back of a multi-pack of crisps it says to not sell the individual bags inside. But it is legal to do so. Don't be so silly and believe everything you read on a box written by a company that obviously doesn't want you to do it! Over here it says on the box "No lending or giving away", so no borrowing it to people or giving it to them. So giving my friend a game for Christmas is illegal is it?

Some people... xD Believe everything you read on a box... Jeeze.

[krytonic]

U.S. copyright law (Title 17 of the United States Code) generally says that making a copy of an original work, if conducted without the consent of the copyright owner, is infringement. The law makes no explicit grant or denial of a right to make a "personal use" copy of another's copyrighted content on one's own digital media and devices. For example, space shifting, by making a copy of a personally-owned audio CD for transfer to an MP3 player for that person's personal use, is not explicitly allowed or forbidden.

So in America, while it is not said in the law it is allowed, it also is not made illegal. Since it is not illegal in the law, then it is legal as something doesn't have to be specifically said it is illegal to be so. So there you have it. Show me one single case where someone was taken to court for making a personal copy without sharing it then your argument will be valid.

[Goku1992]

@Krytonic
You know the terms "backing up" is such a grey area. Well technically it is true but why dont many gaming companies allow it. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't microsoft have this but you needed the actual disc for backing up due to piracy issues?

Technically it is correct if you do own the game you can make a back up. BUT BUT BUT gaming companies think of this as "frowned upon" so they offer a digital copy.

Me personally I never backed up a game that I owned. I think it's more of a piracy issue than a being lazy issue it only takes 2 seconds of changing a disc. Since I have 2 ps3's it takes me at-least 30 seconds to change consoles LOL.

[ahou]

If you can quote the law that states that, or even scan a game jacket that specifically mentions it, I'll believe you.

But you wont, and can't, because it doesn't exist.

I'm not into international law, but the back of the jacket (looking at one right now) clearly states that any copy is illegal without authorization of the copyright holder.

When you bought your game, you paid for one copy, not two.

Either it's on a hard drive or a CD, you are not allowed to duplicate the content since you do not own the right to do so.

"I just made a copy because I wanted to keep my original safe", you would be laughed out of the court with an argument like that. By the book, you have illegally copied copyrighted content, end of story. And you would be charged for it.

We all know though that no one here is going to jail for copying games, but I just find it hypocrite to call others "pirates" while we're all soaked in it.

That would be Title 17 of the United States Code. Also, Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 is kind of relevant.

or even scan a game jacket that specifically mentions it,

That's pretty silly since some of these companies have made it a habit of lying about consumer's rights. Nintendo has said before that people don't have the right to sell their used games, for example.

[ahou]

Me personally I never backed up a game that I owned. I think it's more of a piracy issue than a being lazy issue it only takes 2 seconds of changing a disc.

Discs can be damaged. If you don't have a backup, you can no longer play the game then.

[krytonic]

In the case where media contents are protected using some effective copy protection scheme, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) of 1998 makes it illegal to manufacture or distribute circumvention tools and use those tools for infringing purposes. In the 2009 case RealNetworks v. DVD CCA,[14] the final injunction reads, "while it may well be fair use for an individual consumer to store a backup copy of a personally owned DVD on that individual's computer, a federal law has nonetheless made it illegal to manufacture or traffic in a device or tool that permits a consumer to make such copies."[15] This case made clear that manufacturing and distribution of circumvention tools was illegal, but use of those tools for non-infringing purposes, including fair use purposes, was not.

Look at the bald text, then look up the "Fair use" law. It is not illegal to backup PS3 games AT ALL if you don't share them. I don't want to replace them when they get damaged. I don't want to replace my PS3's Bluray laser because they use a cheap one. I am not breaking the law in the UK, nor in the US.

Like I said it being written on a box does not make it law and you have to be a little foolish to believe that.

[Goku1992]

@Ahou
This may be true but you have to not take very good care of your disc if you let that happen. Unless you have children but why would children be touching a $300+ gaming console is beyond me.

But like I said this is why gaming companies offer a digital copy.

@Krytonic
I see what you are saying but gaming companies NEVER nor gaming consoles never make their systems for backing up because of the use of the piracy issue.

[krytonic]

@Ahou
This may be true but you have to not take very good care of your disc if you let that happen. Unless you have children but why would children be touching a $300+ gaming console is beyond me.

But like I said this is why gaming companies offer a digital copy.

@Krytonic
I see what you are saying but gaming companies NEVER nor gaming consoles never make their systems for backing up because of the use of the piracy issue.

The system may not be made for backing up, but that doesn't make it illegal. I am not arguing with you I am arguing with the other guy because he said that making your own copy for personal use is illegal, just because it is written on a box. I was just proving him wrong with facts because I don't like being called a criminal out of someone's pure ignorance when I am not doing anything illegal. The circumvention tool mentioned in one of the quotes is Multiman, circumventing the Bluray protection that he seems to think is illegal.

[Goku1992]

@Krytonic
I know that you were referring to him. All I am saying is in general that the use of "backups" is such a grey area because only a very few people really backup their games while others pirate off of them. But what you said was true though technically any person who bought content can back them up as long they don't sell it or redistribute it out. Which is why P*****.com isn't really touched by Sony because of the legality of the backups. Even though you and I know what that site is really meant for.

[ccfman2004]

Even the ToS and EULA isn't law when the companies want you to believe so.

There are some countries where it is perfectly legal to pirate digital content as long as you don't make a profit from it.

I remember several years ago when Sony went to great trouble to protect certain audio CDs from being ripped by including a root kit on the CD that would auto install itself and prevent you from using any program to rip the audio to MP3. This root kit caused the PCs to be vulnerable to malware. Sony was found guilty and forced to recall the CDs and issue compensation.

Just because something is written on a product doesn't make it law.

PS3 Blu-Ray discs do not have any copy protection at all otherwise you wouldn't be able to view the disc contents on a computer. The copy protection is on the PS3 itself which verifies that the disc is original.

The music industry is going to great lengths to stop us from being able to rip our music so we can listen to it on portable music players.

There is no law in the US that prevents one from making a backup of discs.

[Elmo111]

This whole thing of "I was banned but didn't do anything wrong - I was only on CFW" is questionable at best. I'm on CFW. I'm online. I played Black Ops II almost 2 weeks before release date. I played Black Ops II online at least a week before release date.

There's more to this than what people are admitting to

There is no more than what I have told you.

I dont cheat online, I dont do anything on that console other than stream MKV's from my NAS and play a couple of legitimately backed up games on it. I personally think it was the issue of it being a downloaded copy of BLOPS 2 that flagged at Sony's end.

[krytonic]

There is no more than what I have told you.

I dont cheat online, I dont do anything on that console other than stream MKV's from my NAS and play a couple of legitimately backed up games on it. I personally think it was the issue of it being a downloaded copy of BLOPS 2 that flagged at Sony's end.

I've had BLOPS 2 flagged since they won't let me play it online and I don't cheat online either. But, alas, I can still connect to PSN. My console and PSN account is not banned. This is the same for, well, 99% of people so this is why it looks very much like you have cheated or used an exploit online.

[Goku1992]

@Elmo111

Dude.... you said it yourself you played a pirated version online. That was why you were banned

[krytonic]

@Elmo111

Dude.... you said it yourself you played a pirated version online. That was why you were banned

No it wasn't. I downloaded the game before I actually bought it. I am not banned.

[Goku1992]

@Krytonic
I was speaking about Elmo111 not you.

I personally have not bought/pirated Black Ops 2 yet. I am really looking forward to far cry 3

[BahumatLord]

yeah - I'll admit I played a bootleg copy of Black Ops II online before release date and I'm not banned.

@Elmo111 - you say use CFW to play your legitimate backups but in the very next sentence you say you downloaded Black Ops II. This is what I've been talking about this whole time on this thread. People always saying "Sony banned me but I didn't do anything wrong" but then the truth comes out. You pirated a game and got caught at it. Your PSN ban is not hard to figure out

@others complaining about bans - you knew the risks when you installed CFW, or when you installed a hack like F*ckPSN or SEN Enabler. Those tools break the security of PSN which is a breach of your user contract. What's hard to understand about that?