Messiah 2 v1.30 Now Supports DVD-R On PS2 v8

[charlie_ps2]

I am authorised and pleased to state on behalf of the Messiah 2 Team that production has now commenced of Messiah 2 chip v1.30.

The new version of Messiah 2 supports DVD-R on v8 PS2 (v8 is currently defined as GH-022 motherboard with BIOS 090) along with all other functions of the Messiah 2. The number of wires remains at 24.

All being well, I should find time tomorrow (Tuesday) to perform my formal tests on the Messiah 2 v1.30 with the v8 console and report to the forum accordingly.

There will be further commercial announcements shortly in relation to the Messiah 2 range.

[Edit: 04-Mar-03 - removed reference to speeded up DVD-R load]

[Crazy_iSo]

where can i buy a cheap messiah2 ? the lastes version 1.3... tanks

[Odeum]

What are some reliable dealers that sell messiah 2?

[MackIII]

Now that Messiah and DMS have fixed their chips (still waiting on Charlie's reports), I am still confused on which chip to get fo my V7 system. Are they about the same price? And how can you tell which version of the differen't chips you will get? Are there any distinct labels or such?

[charlie_ps2]

Either chip will work on your v7 system. DMS3 is around $79 (it has additional non-gaming features - see www.dms3.com); Messiah 2 is around $50. S/H to be added.

I can answer for Messiah 2; the rear of the chip contains a version label.

[Techy]

Crazy_iSo, 1.3 is not in production yet. Current version is 1.22a.

There are lots of Messiah 2 dealers around the net, we are one of them :D

[Kid Buu]

I'd say go for a Messiah 2, since it boots everything and the dms3 has some problems with rips.

[ak747]

I don't play rips bcause it screws the lazer faster. so dms3 is just what I needed.

[Gradius]

Originally posted by charlie_ps2
I am authorised and pleased to state on behalf of the Messiah 2 Team that production has now commenced of Messiah 2 chip v1.30.

The new version of Messiah 2 supports DVD-R on v8 PS2 (v8 is currently defined as GH-022 motherboard with BIOS 090) along with all other functions of the Messiah 2. The number of wires remains at 23. As a bonus, DVD-R game loading is now faster than ever - you will notice the difference.

All being well, I should find time tomorrow (Tuesday) to perform my formal tests on the Messiah 2 v1.30 with the v8 console and report to the forum accordingly.

There will be further commercial announcements shortly in relation to the Messiah 2 range.

Errata: 24 wires (CLK), did you forget this one? :)

Gradius

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by Gradius
Errata: 24 wires (CLK), did you forget this one? :)

Gradius Thanks - corrected in the original post.

[Deathwish]

Originally posted by MackIII
Now that Messiah and DMS have fixed their chips (still waiting on Charlie's reports), I am still confused on which chip to get fo my V7 system. Are they about the same price? And how can you tell which version of the differen't chips you will get? Are there any distinct labels or such?

Easy Dms3 got easy cd update and region free.

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by Deathwish
Easy Dms3 got easy cd update and region free.
Well, sadly, I cannot update my DMS3 v1.1 to work fully with the v8. So it isn't easy - it needs a new chip. And I bought it for the v8 on the basis of what the DMS3 web site said.

But, for Hong Kong (which accepts both PAL and NTSC) and PAL systems, Region free on DMS3 is good.

[messiahfan2003]

Good news charlie_ps2! Thanks for the good job reporting that news.

[villasg]

Good news.
I wait for test of this baby.
messiah 2 is the best for my

[Gradius]

Good news indeed, the problem now is...

WHEN it will be available on distros/resellers ?

I need M2 Pro v1.30 now!

Gradius

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by Gradius
Good news indeed, the problem now is...

WHEN it will be available on distros/resellers ?

I need M2 Pro v1.30 now!

Gradius
Patience dear Gradius - patience. Production has to be ramped up. It is a multi stage process of setting up programming heads, programming the chips, sending the chips to the factory, marrying the chips to the pcbs. The messiah team would like to have a substantial stock base so I don't think shipping will take place this week.

[charlie_ps2]

Here is the game test result for the MESSIAH 2 v1.30 tested on Hong Kong v8 SCPH.39006 BIOS 090 GH-022. Similar tests have been carried out by the developer on JAP v8 SCPH.39000 BIOS 090 GH-022.

The Messiah 2 v1.30 was mounted on a 37 pin plug and attached to a 37 pin socket that had been wired into the v8 PS2.

The MESSIAH 2 v1.30 performs exactly as it does on all other compatible models. Furthermore it installs to the v7 diagrams.

Xenosaga DVD9 NTSC-J Direct Boot------------------------100%
Xenosaga DVD9 NTSC-J Booted behind AR2/GS2--------------100%
Gran Turismo Concept DVD9 "Silver" NTSC-J Direct Boot---100%

FF X NTSC-U DVD original---------------------OK
GTA3 PAL DVD original------------------------OK
DOA2 NTSC-J DVD Original---------------------OK

GTA3 PAL DVD-R (Princo)----------------------OK
Tony Hawks 3 PAL DVD-R (Datasafe)------OK
Headhunter PAL DVD-R-(Infiniti)--------------OK
GTA VC PAL DVD-R (Traxdata)---------------OK

EA NBA Street NTSC-U CD-R--------------------OK
Twisted MB Kalisto Rip CD-R------------------OK
GT3 Rip NTSC-U CD-R--------------------------OK
FIFA 2002 Rip NTSC-U CD-R-----------------OK
Tony Hawks 3 Rip NTSC-U CD-R----------------OK
Woody Woodpecker NTSC-U CD-R-----------------OK

FF IX NTSC-J PS1 Original--------------------OK
FF IX NTSC-U PS1 CD-R------------------------OK
Syphonfilter 3 NTSC-U PS1 CD-R---------------OK
Spyro NTSC-U PS1 Original (Anti-Mod)---------Not tested - no Jap Original available
Spyro NTSC-U PS1CD-R (Anti-Mod)--------------NO

AR2/GS2 GTA3 Orig. With Codes----------------OK
AR2/GS2 GTA3 DVD-R With Codes--------------OK

Toystory NTSC-U Movie------------------------Not tested
PAL Movie-------------------------------------------Not Tested

MM16 Save & Load -------------------------N/A
Region Free ----------------------------------N/A
Macrovision Defeat --------------------------N/A
Boot on EJECT--------------------------------OK
Always Boot on Reset----------------------OK
Switch off Mode------------------------------YES

Overall impression is that Messiah 2 v1.30 maintains the Messiah 2 tradition of flawless booting subject to eventual test of anti-mod game (needs a Jap original for this particular PS2).

[Nakamichi]

hey charlie_ps2, did you notice that ps2 dvd backups loaded any faster on v1.30 than previous versions of Messiah2?

I thought you mentioned that ps2 dvd backups loaded faster on v1.30 earlier.

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by Nakamichi
hey charlie_ps2, did you notice that ps2 dvd backups loaded any faster on v1.30 than previous versions of Messiah2?

I thought you mentioned that ps2 dvd backups loaded faster on v1.30 earlier. No - I didn't notice it load any faster. Actually I was going to do tests on the v7 where I can put the older chip on as well.

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by Aerick
Any chance of someone like LOD doing a review of the 1.30? I resemble that remark!

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by charlie_ps2
No - I didn't notice it load any faster. Actually I was going to do tests on the v7 where I can put the older chip on as well.
I confirm that with my tests on the v7 with Messiah 2 v1.22a and Messiah 2 v1.30, there was no difference in boot up time of DVD-Rs between the two Messiah versions.

[villasg]

Messiah guys need to update with this great infos in the messiah 2 site ( Last updated 23:30 16/02/03 )

[Gradius]

Any ETA to M2 PRO v1.30 rearch the stores ? :D

Gradius

[ufdanny168]

Hi, charlie_ps2
Could you tell me should I buy M2 PRO v1.30 or just M2 JAP v1.30 for the v8 console 39006-asian/39007-taiwan? as M2 JAP v1.30 is cheaper. thanks

[Godwin]

What's going on?
Now, everybody announces their work with DVD-R support on V8.

but only Messiah2 1.30's been proven by Charlie.
hum..interesting.

[dust4dust]

when available im sure me and charlie could arrange a SMALL discount for you :lol:

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by Guichi
both of you, dont start this shit again. :mad:

Why dont we go for a non partial installer. How about a review from C-Snow?
*Tumbleweeds rolling by*
But then again by the time we get that review, The PS6 will be out.
-me

[charlie_ps2]

PS2Newz will receive a free Messiah 2 v1.30 to review as soon as production stock is released. I will send it directly to Bill.

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by Guichi
only if it comes from you charlie. we dont want another 80 dollar COD at the door :arg:
Dunno what you're talking about - unless that was American for "Thank you".

[precisionmods]

Originally posted by Guichi
only if it comes from you charlie. we dont want another 80 dollar COD at the door :arg:


That rips. That's really low to offer a chip and then send it COD.

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by precisionmods
That rips. That's really low to offer a chip and then send it COD. It wasn't me. Just let's make that clear. I've previously sent LOD free samples.

[ThAD0oD]

you mean the dms people?

[jneslen]

I am kind of bummed. I really wanted to get a pre-modified PS2 with either DMS3 or Messiah 2 pre-installed from Divineo US, but they aren't listing them any more. Anyone have any idea if they are going to put them back on or if there is anywhere to get this somewhere.

[jbx]

Guys, does it say on the chip that it's a v1.3 ?
How do you know ?

[Techy]

All Messiah 2 chips have a firmware version sticker on the bottom of the chip/board.

[pekkle168]

I got a question for Charlie_PS2, is mc_sales actually the Messiah 2 team? I just bought two Messiah 2 USA version, but they sent me a v1.07 and it wouldn't work with my v7 PS2. Do you think they have shipped the wrong one to me? or they are just trying to get rid off their old stock on some poor customer like me?:arg:

[pekkle168]

I just purcahsed a PS2 from my local retailer here in California. they have a sticker that says PCH-9001. however upon opening up the board. it says GH-022. while my other PS2 says GH-019. is this a GH-022 the v8? and does this means USA is also getting the V8 like the aisa and europe?

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by pekkle168
I got a question for Charlie_PS2, is mc_sales actually the Messiah 2 team? I just bought two Messiah 2 USA version, but they sent me a v1.07 and it wouldn't work with my v7 PS2. Do you think they have shipped the wrong one to me? or they are just trying to get rid off their old stock on some poor customer like me?:arg: The US custom version of Messiah 2 was only ever manufactured in v1.07 having been proven to include the v7.

So you do need to describe what the "wouldn't work" problem looks like. The Troubleshooting Guide should be your first resort.

The factory delivers direct to mc_sales to answer that question.

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by pekkle168
I just purcahsed a PS2 from my local retailer here in California. they have a sticker that says PCH-9001. however upon opening up the board. it says GH-022. while my other PS2 says GH-019. is this a GH-022 the v8? and does this means USA is also getting the V8 like the aisa and europe? It is only a v8 if the BIOS chip has writing Bxx90; i.e. BIOS 090.

[Da Brass]

Originally posted by Guichi
i have to agree with you on this one. its sounds like the best solution if they want to put both mods to the test.

Yeah...if the DMS team would send some samples out to independant people, at least they could show that they have some real comparisons to the Messiah 2.

[pekkle168]

The US custom version of Messiah 2 was only ever manufactured in v1.07 having been proven to include the v7.

However on http://www.mc-sales.biz and under new price list, it says USA v1.07 for $20 and does not support v7.

Now I am confused.

[charlie_ps2]

I have to say that Aerick raises an unjustified spectre. As Guichi and other forum members who have been following this story know, I have freely and openly offered to send LOD a Messiah 2 v1.30 so that he can review same. I did this before Aerick's suggestion. http://www.ps2newz.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8014&perpage=40&pagenumber=2

The spectre Aerick raises about copied code has NEVER come from the Messiah team and NEVER from me. Nor have I read anyone saying that DMS3 is a rip of Messiah. Who has? Where is that claim? Who are these people saying that?

And why is Aerick implying that I am not telling the truth? It is one thing to say that an independent review should take place just to verify the camps' claims; I certainly respect that.

What I don't respect is the linkage clearly made by Aerick to the teams ripping each other's code and particularly his earlier suggestion, made in these forums, that the messiah Team would make an announcement but only release their chip after a delay giving them time to rip the DMS3 code.

Messiah 2 v1.30 is being produced and stocked for release on Wednesday next, 13-Mar-03. PS2Newz will then be sent their free sample.

And what will happen? Both chips will pass with flying colours (DVD-R on v8, that is). Big deal. Both camps told you that already, neither camp is accusing the other of ripping code and at least one review, of Messiah 2 v1.30 posted by the evil, biased, lying toad Charlie, has been published.

Jeez, guys.

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by Guichi
no need to get PO'd over this. If both groups send their samples then the test will be run and we will settle the score once and for all. Time to go to the old fashion ways for each group, to put up or shut up. Well you've got my offer and you will get the chip. There is something of the dark about the spectre that was raised and I take strong offence to that.

[ThAD0oD]

/me turns on the air conditioning

damn, the battle is getting heated...

i say you all send me a v7 & v8 ntsc ps2, newest revisions of the dms3 & messiah 2, and someone who can solder so i can do the tests

[dust4dust]

forget thev v8 tests how about replacing my chip not working in v6 pal see if new one does


so back to my v6 aerick its no install fault as many other chips work with np

ps why cant charlie review be looked at as god factual info (as they normally are

oh i know because dms3 didnt work as well ,
theres few people attitude here that simply leads me to believe they are connected to dms3 team in one way or another

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by Guichi
only if it comes from you charlie. we dont want another 80 dollar COD at the door :arg:
Guichi, may I ask? Was the COD Messiah 2? You never said.

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by Aerick
I'm not trying to start a fight here, it takes away from what should be good news. I also don't wish to beat the dead "Messiah stole Neo4 and Origa code" horse to pieces. I'm simply sick of the misdirection and trying to get a fair platform set up for comparisons that's free of intrigues. If someone who benifited directly from the DMS3's success were the one giving the review, I'd also be very skeptical about that too.
I just wish to take up the NEO4 aspect of what Aerick has said.

Looking up past posts, Aerick has been fairly consistent in suggesting that Messiah ripped/stole NEO4 code. Let me put this piece of information forward.

The SCEx pulsing chips (NEO2, NEO4) fooled the PS2 by making it think that the PS2 game being booted was a PS1 game. SCEx is the signal needed for this purpose. Once the PS2 game disk had been accepted as not being invalid, the NEO4 then had to bend things round so as to recover the position that it was indeed a PS2 game and not a PS1 game.

Because the SCEx approach could only be applied to CD games (there were no PS1 DVD games), it followed that NEO4 could not direct-boot DVD-Rs; nor could Origa.

Messiah cracked that problem; its PS2 game boot strategy (as with Messiah 2) does not use SCEx. So Messiah 1/2 is fundamentally different from NEO4 and Origa.

The common factor between Messiah and Origa is the use of the CD/DVD bus which Origa discovered. I am not the Messiah developer so I wouldn't know the code. But the Messiah team would have had to do something radically different with the CD/DVD bus in order to boot DVD-R.

Now these are self evident facts. So it isn't right, in past threads, to have labelled the Messiah Team as absolute rip-off merchants; it is right, using Aerick's words, to "beat the dead "Messiah stole Neo4 and Origa code" horse to pieces".

[charlie_ps2]

Messiah 2 v1.30 shipments go out tomorrow (Thursday).

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by Guichi
only if it comes from you charlie. we dont want another 80 dollar COD at the door :arg: Well I sent it - $40 Fedex to LOD - arrives 10:30 tomorrow. Only to find that the Forum's v8 has gone to the DMS3 team!

Ah well - life's a bitch as Dust says. It would have been nice to have had my tests confirmed in an independent review. Even nicer if I could have been spared the Fedex costs.

[charlie_ps2]

No worries - Guichi's news about leaving the forum way overshadows anything else I have to say on the Messiah 2.